MN - Alex Pretti dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

[statt#1]

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What is the answer to this yes/no question:
Did agents exercise good judgement in shooting him 10 times?

Is it possible to find any fault in the agents, or are they simply victims of reacting (a grace they do not extend to Alex when he reacted to a fallen woman)?

jmo

My opinion... the totality of the situation will be considered. Who can predict their behavior in an escalated situation? I know war vets, combat vets, LE both active and retired. Who can say how a person will respond if they feel their life is on the line? Whether "I" think it was or not, in my opinion, legally speaking, doesn't matter, nor does what "I" see in a video. In my opinion investigators and legal experts in this case will surely look at the totality of circumstances and also will seek to determine the answer to the question...what was the agents perception at the time?

 

[Inthedetails]

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The former CNN anchor Don Lemon was arrested late Thursday night on charges that he violated federal law during a protest at a church in St. Paul, Minn., his lawyer said, in a case rejected last week by a magistrate judge.

Mr. Lemon has said he was simply reporting as a journalist when he entered the Cities Church on Jan. 18 to observe a demonstration against the immigration crackdown in the area.

The protesters interrupted a service at the church, where an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official serves as a pastor, and chanted “ICE out.” Afterward, the...

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[BeginnerSleuther]

Homeland Security officials have urged disaster response staff at the Federal Emergency Management Agency to avoid using the word “ice” in public messaging about the massive winter storm barreling toward much of the United States, according to two sources familiar with the directive.

The concern is that the word could spark confusion or online mockery, given the ongoing controversy surrounding US Immigration and Customs Enforcement — also known as “ICE.”

The guidance, informally delivered to a group at FEMA Thursday by officials from the Department of Homeland Security – which oversees both FEMA and ICE – comes as states across the South brace for potentially devastating ice accumulations, with some areas expecting a quarter -inch or more.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/23/politics/fema-ice-storm-memes


From a state currently devastated by a deadly ice storm with low temperatures that frighten us and another one possibly on the way I’m going to go out on a limb and say we can look at weather reports and radars and differentiate between an impending ice storm bearing down on us, which we are extremely afraid of, and ICE agents who are present in our community.

We need to know clearly that we are expecting ice, lower case, to descend on us not the undescriptive alternatives suggested.

Why is this worthy of even spending a minute thinking about much less putting out “guidance”?


all imo

I can see it. This weekend's frozen water storm is will blanket the midwest...

 

[Inthedetails]

My opinion... the totality of the situation will be considered. Who can predict their behavior in an escalated situation? I know war vets, combat vets, LE both active and retired. Who can say how a person will respond if they feel their life is on the line? Whether "I" think it was or not, in my opinion, legally speaking, doesn't matter, nor does what "I" see in a video. In my opinion investigators and legal experts in this case will surely look at the totality of circumstances and also will seek to determine the answer to the question...what was the agents perception at the time?

So, finding fault with the victim but not willing to look the agents' actions because that's someone else's job.


jmo

 

[LAborn]

According to the CNN analysis, black-beanie-guy and tan-beanie-guy did the shooting.

You can see black-beanie-guy's gun go off in this short video. (screenshot here) It is the 5th video down in the linked article.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/29/us/immigration-agents-shooting-alex-pretti-invs

The more I see of this the angrier I get. They are rabid dogs, monsters, plain and simple. They instigate, attack, intimidate, belittle. THEY are the domestic terrorists!!! They are the lowest of the low. He has a flag of Texas patch. Why am I not surprised.

 

[Marantz4250b]

The more I see of this the angrier I get. They are rabid dogs, monsters, plain and simple. They instigate, attack, intimidate, belittle. THEY are the domestic terrorist!!! They are the lowest of the low. What is the flag patch on the murderer has on his backpack? Anyone know?

Texas flag, I think?

 

[K9Enzo]

The First Amendment does, surely?

IMO only The First Amendment protects speech, not obstruction, interference, or physical conduct. You don’t get immunity for actions just because you’re mad, filming, or calling it a protest.

 

[LAborn]

Texas flag, I think?

Thank you!!! I just did a reverse search and came up with the same thing. Appreciate it!

 

[Bats]

My opinion... the totality of the situation will be considered. Who can predict their behavior in an escalated situation? I know war vets, combat vets, LE both active and retired. Who can say how a person will respond if they feel their life is on the line? Whether "I" think it was or not, in my opinion, legally speaking, doesn't matter, nor does what "I" see in a video. In my opinion investigators and legal experts in this case will surely look at the totality of circumstances and also will seek to determine the answer to the question...what was the agents perception at the time?

Just out of interest, what do you make of the officer bashing Alex in the head with a metal pepper spray canister? Do you believe that was the action of someone concerned that Alex may have had a firearm?

 

[Marantz4250b]

IMO only The First Amendment protects speech, not obstruction, interference, or physical conduct. You don’t get immunity for actions just because you’re mad, filming, or calling it a protest.

Your post said:

IMO No one assigns random civilians authority to “assess abuse of power” in real time.

That's journalism. Journalists are "random civilians".

Journalism is protected under the First Amendment.

 

[LAborn]

First hand accounts....

 

[Summerliz03]

IMO only The First Amendment protects speech, not obstruction, interference, or physical conduct. You don’t get immunity for actions just because you’re mad, filming, or calling it a protest.

Tell me what actions you saw Mr Pretti take that would make it ok for officers to shoot and kill him. Please back it up with video/written evidence to support this. The penalty for impeding law enforcement is not death. The penalty for resisting arrest is not death. He should have been arrested and charged with those crimes, not shot in the back 10 times.

 

[Emerald1328]

what he was doing, was purposefully bringing a gun to a dangerous fed op repeatedly, and provoking and inviting harm onto himself, because he felt a sense of martyrdom. he rehearsed violating laws and putting the public in danger, until he finally got what he wanted.

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[K9Enzo]

Your post said:

IMO No one assigns random civilians authority to “assess abuse of power” in real time.

That's journalism. Journalists are "random civilians".

Journalism is protected under the First Amendment.

Calling Mr. Pretti a journalist doesn’t magically convert illegal obstruction into reporting. IMO

 

[Jade]

MLK’s fame and words were misconstrued, taken out of context and coopted on a national level and that ignorance is copied locally.

So I’ll quote Ralph Abernathy to equate the hard fought battle of the Civil Rights movement to the ICE demonstrators to avoid that odd turn on MLK’s legacy.

I hope this helps in understanding of the type of person with selfless spirit leading humanitarian battles that have brought about change in our country and explain the thinking of maybe why Alex Pretti acted successfully to do the same.



Bring on your tear gas, bring on your grenades, your new supplies of Mace, your state troopers and even your national guards. But let the record show we ain't going to be turned around.

Ralph Abernathy

I went to jail 44 times. I've been beaten and left for dead on the side of the road fighting for freedom. . . . Yet Rosa Parks is better known in history than Ralph David Abernathy. Why is that?

Ralph Abernathy

I have suffered as much as Martin Luther King. Only I didn't get the bullet. And I would have taken the bullet if I could have.

Ralph Abernathy

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ralph-David-Abernathy


all imo

 

[bestill]

@statt#1 I believe you are right. If he had walked away, he would be alive, but he couldn't. He saw a woman being pushed, and I think his instinct was to help her. I don't think he thought, "hey, I'll get involved here and interfere with ICE." I think his intention was to help the woman and make sure she didn't get hurt. He did what he thought was the right thing to do. IMO

I watched this yesterday and have been thinking about it. This is something that I believe your friend was saying about their position on the shooting. I think it's helpful to hear all sides on this because we are seeing it from the perspective after the fact, as we do most of the cases we discuss.

I know that there are many on this thread that won't agree with this man, Minnesota State Senator Walter Hudson, but I do think that we can agree that we are very disturbed by Alex's death.

 

[LAborn]

what he was doing, was purposefully bringing a gun to a dangerous fed op repeatedly, and provoking and inviting harm onto himself, because he felt a sense of martyrdom. he rehearsed violating laws and putting the public in danger, until he finally got what he wanted.

"Fed op", are you saying the entire city was under "fed op"? Your post is victim blaming on a level I haven't seen in this forum before. So basically you're saying he wanted to be murdered.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Calling Mr. Pretti a journalist doesn’t magically convert illegal obstruction into reporting. IMO

I was referring to your statement. To remind you of what it was.

IMO No one assigns random civilians authority to “assess abuse of power” in real time.

That makes no mention of illegal obstruction.

The First Amendment makes it very clear indeed that anyone can assign themselves the job of "...assessing abuses of power..." if they so choose. It has been very clearly protected since.....forever.

Every investigative journalist has decided to do that.

 

[Emerald1328]

My opinion... the totality of the situation will be considered. Who can predict their behavior in an escalated situation? I know war vets, combat vets, LE both active and retired. Who can say how a person will respond if they feel their life is on the line? Whether "I" think it was or not, in my opinion, legally speaking, doesn't matter, nor does what "I" see in a video. In my opinion investigators and legal experts in this case will surely look at the totality of circumstances and also will seek to determine the answer to the question...what was the agents perception at the time?

Again, legally it doesn’t matter what the agent’s perception at the time was. Legally, it will be judged on how a “reasonable” officer would have reacted at the time of an incident. I hope that investigators and legal experts don’t consider the agents’ perception at the time of the incident, because that is not the law. Linking again to the Supreme Court ruling on this.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/490/386/

Even the case you referenced earlier, Barnes v. Felix, mentions this standard is applicable.

 

[Inthedetails]

MLK’s fame and words were misconstrued, taken out of context and coopted on a national level and that ignorance is copied locally.

So I’ll quote Ralph Abernathy to equate the hard fought battle of the Civil Rights movement to the ICE demonstrators to avoid that odd turn on MLK’s legacy.

I hope this helps in understanding of the type of person with selfless spirit leading humanitarian battles that have brought about change in our country and explain the thinking of maybe why Alex Pretti acted successfully to do the same.



Bring on your tear gas, bring on your grenades, your new supplies of Mace, your state troopers and even your national guards. But let the record show we ain't going to be turned around.

Ralph Abernathy

I went to jail 44 times. I've been beaten and left for dead on the side of the road fighting for freedom. . . . Yet Rosa Parks is better known in history than Ralph David Abernathy. Why is that?

Ralph Abernathy

I have suffered as much as Martin Luther King. Only I didn't get the bullet. And I would have taken the bullet if I could have.

Ralph Abernathy

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ralph-David-Abernathy


all imo

Didn't "wait for assignment" as has been suggested citizens do in the face of wrongdoing.

Hard to believe Americans, of all people, think the public needs to "wait for assignment" to be on the streets of an American city with a camera.

jmo