MN - Alex Pretti dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

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I agree that the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that the totality of circumstances has to be looked at, and the case you linked, Barnes v. Felix, does not allow for just a narrow timeframe in calculating the totality of circumstances.

However, I’d be interested to know if these particular agents were even aware of the prior incident Alex had with the other agents. Considering there’s 3,000 of them in one city, it stands to reason that there is a good chance they were not the same agents involved. If that is the case, Alex’s prior altercation with law enforcement should not be included in those “totality of circumstances”.

How could agents perceive there might be an altercation with Alex because of a prior incident, if they did not even know of the incident? Obviously it remains to be seen if they had knowledge of the incident but if one were to say that his prior behavior should automatically be taken into account when calculating the “totality of circumstances”, that is not necessarily true. I’m not saying you were saying that, but I think it’s an important distinction to make.

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I looked up the case and it pertains to a civil case. (Barnes v Felix). And I'm wondering if the circumstance only applies to civil cases and not criminal cases?

I don't want everyone to think that this applies to criminal cases, if it only applies to civil cases. Barnes v Felix was a civil case.

I'm not a legal person or anything, but it has been my experience that when court decisions are cited, often the full picture isn't considered. I have no idea if Felix case went to the grand jury after the Supreme Court decision. The case previously went to the grand jury in 2016 and they failed to indict.

The Supreme Court rendered a 9-0 decision, as which it should for a civil case. Why should LE have civil immunity from being sued when everyone else doesn't? However, I can't imagine they would decide like that if it was based a on criminal case. I think the court would have been split. (MOO_

I'm just wondering if decision only applies to civil immunity and not criminal???
The Houston Police Department, which is separate from the constable's office that employed Felix, and the Harris County District Attorney's Office investigated the shooting. On August 31, 2016, a 12-person grand jury declined to bring charges against Felix in the death of Barnes. Later that day, a Black Lives Matter protest attended by Barnes' mother and father took place outside the Harris County 180th Criminal Court. On that same day, dashcam video of the stop was released.

Barnes' mother, Janice Hughes Barnes, brought an excessive force claim against Felix on her son's behalf. The Fifth Circuit dismissed her claim, citing its "moment-of-threat" doctrine. The "moment-of-threat" doctrine evaluates Fourth Amendment violations only within the context of the narrow window when the officer's safety is allegedly threatened, excluding the events that precede it.

 
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DAG Todd Blanche suggested Alex Pretti shooting is under investigation by DOJ's Civil Rights Division, which indicates it is not being treated as an assault on federal officer but as a potential civil rights violation by the officers who shot Pretti.

 
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Screenshots from footage taken on the morning of the shooting.

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In the video from the last link, he doesn’t appear to be restrained. imo
 
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DAG Todd Blanche suggested Alex Pretti shooting is under investigation by DOJ's Civil Rights Division, which indicates it is not being treated as an assault on federal officer but as a potential civil rights violation by the officers who shot Pretti.

Blanche is a foot soldier for Trump. Trump just called Pretti "an agitator" "an insurrectionist". They (DOJ) will not go against Trump's desire and view, I assure you. Pretti's family will not get justice from the federal govt. Donald Trump labels Alex Pretti ‘agitator,’ ‘insurrectionist’ on social media
 
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I watched this yesterday and have been thinking about it. This is something that I believe your friend was saying about their position on the shooting. I think it's helpful to hear all sides on this because we are seeing it from the perspective after the fact, as we do most of the cases we discuss.

I know that there are many on this thread that won't agree with this man, Minnesota State Senator Walter Hudson, but I do think that we can agree that we are very disturbed by Alex's death.

Thank you for this video. There’s a lot of good information.

The standard for deploying lethal force is not correctly believing you’re under imminent threat but reasonably believing that your are.
 
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This may not seem associated to Pretti's murder, but it is. There is no "rule of law" (DOJ) in the US. It's gone. They are detaining and arresting journalists for being journalists. They're arresting protesters for protesting. The DOJ arrested Don Lemon this morning without just cause (a judge already dismissed charges before). And then the WH official x account made a mocking meme about it. INSANE.
 

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This may not seem associated to Pretti's murder, but it is. There is no "rule of law" (DOJ) in the US. It's gone. They are detaining and arresting journalists for being journalists. They're arresting protesters for protesting. The DOJ arrested Don Lemon without just cause (a judge already dismissed charges before).
Yes, a judge DID dismiss charges. Now this. No laws apply to the citizens or any human beings here in USA if t decides and his ilk around him. We see this and the world is seeing and reacting and being called 'dumb as rocks'.. and so on as we see the written and published quoted comments by 'your' president. IMO
 
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Yes, a judge DID dismiss charges. Now this. No laws apply to the citizens or any human beings here in USA if t decides and his ilk around him. We see this and the world is seeing and reacting and being called 'dumb as rocks'.. and so on as we see the written and published quoted comments by 'your' president. IMO
It is surreal, all of it.
 
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In the video from the last link, he doesn’t appear to be restrained. imo
You mean Alex Pretti? Then what were all the agents on top of him doing?
 
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This may not seem associated to Pretti's murder, but it is. There is no "rule of law" (DOJ) in the US. It's gone. They are detaining and arresting journalists for being journalists. They're arresting protesters for protesting. The DOJ arrested Don Lemon this morning without just cause (a judge already dismissed charges before). And then the WH official x account made a mocking meme about it. INSANE.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 
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This may not seem associated to Pretti's murder, but it is. There is no "rule of law" (DOJ) in the US. It's gone. They are detaining and arresting journalists for being journalists. They're arresting protesters for protesting. The DOJ arrested Don Lemon this morning without just cause (a judge already dismissed charges before). And then the WH official x account made a mocking meme about it. INSANE.
That's how totalitary system works. Arresting people they dislike, because they can. As Andrey Wyshynski, infamous Soviet prosecutor said "give me a man and I'll find a law to lock him".
 
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You mean Alex Pretti? Then what were all the agents on top of him doing?
They were attempting to arrest him. imo
 
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They were attempting to arrest him. imo
Then why couldn’t 7 “well trained” officers arrest 1 man? They had already gotten him down on the ground, with his hands flat. Did not one of them have a pair of handcuffs? Zip ties? Anything to actually detain him instead of beating him in the head with a pepper spray canister? The only way they could get this man to comply was with lethal force of their firearms? And yet people still refuse to call out improper law enforcement behaviors in this situation.
 
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Then why couldn’t 7 “well trained” officers arrest 1 man? They had already gotten him down on the ground, with his hands flat. Did not one of them have a pair of handcuffs? Zip ties? Anything to actually detain him instead of beating him in the head with a pepper spray canister? The only way they could get this man to comply was with lethal force of their firearms? And yet people still refuse to call out improper law enforcement behaviors in this situation.
That is what gets me. It's possible to vilify Alex all you want....and still question the agents. You don't have to pick one "side" or the other.


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They were attempting to arrest him. imo
And somehow that pileup of seven officers did not restrain him, despite the fact he was pepper sprayed in the face and bashed with canister in the head? That's an astonishing level of incompetence on their part.

MOO 🐄
 
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They were attempting to arrest him. imo
EEESH, all those big men having to bash his head, spray pepper spray close in his face, a while, THEN stand up and unload multiple bullets into his back. I see. No handcuffs? Too harsh for them to use as all LE does? IMO
 

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