MN - Alex Pretti dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

[charliethecat]

At best, they were looking for the weapon they thought was still on him so they could secure it to give him medical aid.

At worst, and I what I think is most likely, they realized that something had gone very wrong on their part and they were panicking, hoping the gun was underneath him so they could say “see, he had a gun pulled out, we were justified!”

IMO

Edit to prevent misunderstanding:

It’s clear that the gun was removed from Alex before they shot him, I was just responding to what I thought was going through the agents’ minds when they were doing that.

I did read they were trying to retrieve bullets? Why was someone in that ICE group using non-approved bullets?

 

[charliethecat]

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Democrats (@thedemocrats) on Threads

These monsters are sick.

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Clearly part of the ICE training is concentrating on making sure they don't act as humans in the aftermath of any ICE initiated melee. These are the words of people who have switiched off or been trained to switch off any part of them that wants to see fellow humans as human.

 

[Inthedetails]

From the link: The ICE facility houses parents and children taken into federal custody over alleged violations of immigration law.

Thinking of little Liam who looked sick on his trip back to Minnesota today. And, of course, all the other little ones who are NOT AT HOME but possibly sick in a dentention center.

jmo

Good news (hope it's true):
In a statement, Castro’s spokesperson added that Liam Conejo Ramos and his father, Adrian Conejo Arias, had a full medical exam and would not have been released if there was any risk of exposure.

But for others still at the detention center, there is “unreliable access to medical care and a negligent disregard for babies, kids, women and men when they are sick and suffering.”

2 measles cases reported inside Dilley immigration detention center, DHS says

Two people detained at the South Texas Family Residential Center have active measles infections, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

www.ksat.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Clearly part of the ICE training is concentrating on making sure they don't act as humans in the aftermath of any ICE initiated melee. These are the words of people who have switiched off or been trained to switch off any part of them that wants to see fellow humans as human.

"There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment about the nature of sin, for example,” said Oats. “And what do they think? Against it, are they?” said Granny Weatherwax.
“It’s not as simple as that. It’s not a black and white issue. There are so many shades of gray.”
“Nope.”
“Pardon?”
“There’s no grays, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is."
“It’s a lot more complicated than that . . .”
“No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.”
“Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes . . .”
“But they starts with thinking about people as things . . . "
Terry Pratchett

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

They don't kill too many people down there. But they do apprehend criminals. However, when they do kill people, it often seems to be on a road in the middle of nowhere. I think one agent killed someone by shooting across the river.

The border is customs, too, an interesting structure with own life. It is interesting that most countries have their own stories, novels, even an opera (Carmen) written about customs' and smugglers and whatnot.

I assume that the job expectations at the border are pretty different. I don't know what new ICE recruits expect and want, that's own group, but I can hardly imagine that seasoned CBP agents might enjoy their current function in Minneapolis. Trying to imagine how customs work...I'd assume, they must be demoralized in Minnesota now. JMO.

 

[Charlot123]

Someone zoomed in on one the shooters. He did look Latino and he was kinda short with a slighter frame.

Also there were some badge/tag numbers on two of their backs and one had a Texas flag on the back.

I wonder if they determined who they were by those numbers?

Well, they have been around for a while. 3000 agents are a lot for a city of 430 K people, but they lived there, they went places. Their behavior patterns were no doubt noticed by the locals.

But it was a mess; a group of 6-7 people assaulting the locals. Their names need to be known. They need to look into the eyes of their own citizens.

 

[tricia]

PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU, STAY ON TOPIC.
The topic is the shooting of Alex Pretti.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC.
Do not bring in other people in the administration unless they are commenting on the case.
Everyone. I am really getting tired. I want to keep this thread open, but if you keep going off topic, I will be forced to close it.

 

[tricia]

From what I see in the footage from the day Alex was killed, he was on the ground, on his stomach

I need to revise part of my earlier opinion after watching the clearest video we have several more times.
Alex was not on his stomach. But when it comes to weapon access, I still don’t see any evidence that he was reaching for or holding a weapon when the shots began. By that point, agents are already on him. He appears to be on the ground with his chest on, or very close to, the pavement, and there are multiple agents on top of him. From what I can see, they’re restraining his upper body and likely his hands.
With that many agents holding him down, I don’t see how he could have been reaching for another weapon.
No way this was justifiable.

 

[Strangeworld]

What say you are there just observing, filming from your phone and then see someone near you affected by tear gas? Say you are a nurse and by training and by oath you happen to know a bit more than the layperson about what to do. Do you stand back and say to yourself 'Oh stuff them, I'm all right, I'll just stand by and not do anything' or do you say to yourself 'There are dangers to people with random application of tear gas so I'll go to help her out of the way....'. I'm pretty sure your nursing training will quickly and automatically override any idea of being a silent observer. I'm also prety sure that even for many people who are not nursing trained their instinct is to go forward to get someone out of harm's way. It is this instinct of going forward to help that actually is the stuff of bravery awards in times of war, the awarding of the Military Cross etc.

It is sad you decry the actions of brave people going to help others. I am not sure that what the ICE officers were doing in that street could in any way shape or form be classed as a LE operation. It did not look as if they were door knocking to arrest overstayers. It looked from the footage we see to be incredibly heavily armed seemingly out of control para military force moving in a street in a show of force. These things such as shows of force belong in war theatres not city or suburban streets. The key question to ask is 'would the world have come to an end had these heavily armed people not decided to make a show of force in this street?' The only answer is no....the show of force was probably not justified in the broader scheme of things.

This is exactly why I want some ICE agents to be called to a court and be compelled to disclose what they were told in their training, formally and informally.

Something tells me the way some ICE agents are acting, the intimidation tactics and the aggression is directly linked to what they were advised to do in their training IMO

 

[Charlot123]

OK a tad more from Hindustan Times:

Who are Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez, Border Patrol agents involved in Alex Pretti shooting?

Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez have been identified as the two Border Patrol agents who fatally shot Alex Pretti in Minneapolis

www.hindustantimes.com

- Ochoa is an agent and Gutierrez a Customs and Border Protection officer.

- The report added that both men are from South Texas. Ochoa joined CBP in 2018, and Gutierrez, who works in the agency’s Office of Field Operations, joined in 2014.

- Gutierrez is assigned to a special response team that conducts high-risk operations similar to police SWAT units.