MN - Beau Shroyer, Wife of Detroit Lakes missionary killed in Angola arrested in connection to his death

[Knox]

Totally agree. But some stateside folks are sounding helpless when it comes to info. They do have resources available to them as well as others. I really believe they can get a lot of their questions answered without too much difficulty and at no expense. And I wouldn’t expect the State Dept to be calling them with updates. A. It’s not the State Dept business, but Angola’s. 2. Jackie is not a POW or anyone representing the US in an official capacity. 3. She seems to have perpetrated a crime which would result in incarceration almost anywhere in the world.

Yes, it would be difficult to have a daughter in an Angolan prison, no matter she got herself there. And if I were family, I wouldn’t be bothering with Angolan legal documents. They tend to be impenetrable to a layperson, no matter the country.

Just to clarify. The Stateside folks being referred to are Beau’s family. I’m not sure given the circumstances, his family is invested in helping Jackie with anything.

Their interest is likley finding out what happened to Beau and how he ended up dead. We have not heard anything from anyone in Jackie’s family.

It’s been said several times that SIM has secured legal representation for her.

 

[Inthedetails]

Just to clarify. The Stateside folks being referred to are Beau’s family. I’m not sure given the circumstances, his family is invested in helping Jackie with anything.

Their interest is likley finding out what happened to Beau and how he ended up dead. We have not heard anything from anyone in Jackie’s family.

It’s been said several times that SIM has secured legal representation for her.

Thanks for the clarification! I was thinking it was Jackie's family. I'm not sure Beau's family will get more info but I can understand the desperation.

Again, not cold-hearted, but they might have to accept it's out of their control and reach, and live with the tragedy Beau's wife is accused of causing. They are foreigners and nobody has the role of holding the hands of foreigners watching a court case in a different country, sorry to say. (Unless you have inside connections and money to hire someone, I guess.)

I looked up Angolan courts and it seems they are mostly open for the public to attend, but the judge can decide to close court. Families of either side might not be able to attend, and they wouldn't understand the language if they do.

Awful, awful situation. Again, for either side of the family, I hope they have wise counsel around them.

jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

I don’t know why jackie getting visitors is an important issue at this time or in the future. Maybe some have more compassion than others. After what she’s being accused of i would not have a thing to do with her.

Someone i know is in for life (state side) and I know of no one that has visited them, been 10 years. I couldn’t have anything to do with her after doing what she is being accused of.


Jmo

 

[TLobo]

Now that I dug up the UMN department, I wonder why the Shroyers didn't take virtual language classes there instead of jetting off to Brazil?

I don't think they would enroll as a U of M student just for college-level language classes when they could attend language school geared at beginners. My undergrad degree is in a foreign language, and I've also taken classes at a language school, and they were very different formats. I think that going to Brazil was an odd choice, too. Surely there would be a better way to learn Portuguese virtually, especially during covid.

And as to telephonic interpretation, there are dozens of Portuguese interpreters located both in the Twin Cities and outstate MN; access to even more through nationwide phone interpreting services. If family wanted language assistance for a phone call, all they would have to do is contact an interpreter services agency in St Cloud or Fargo or the Twin Cities and they would arrange the whole phone call with an interpreter. (Source: I used to work at one of those agencies. I would not have blinked an eye at scheduling something like this.) Likewise, they could contact an interpreter services agency if they needed documents translated into English. They'd have to pay for it, but those services are readily available.

 

[RickshawFan]

I don't think they would enroll as a U of M student just for college-level language classes when they could attend language school geared at beginners. My undergrad degree is in a foreign language, and I've also taken classes at a language school, and they were very different formats. I think that going to Brazil was an odd choice, too. Surely there would be a better way to learn Portuguese virtually, especially during covid.

And as to telephonic interpretation, there are dozens of Portuguese interpreters located both in the Twin Cities and outstate MN; access to even more through nationwide phone interpreting services. If family wanted language assistance for a phone call, all they would have to do is contact an interpreter services agency in St Cloud or Fargo or the Twin Cities and they would arrange the whole phone call with an interpreter. (Source: I used to work at one of those agencies. I would not have blinked an eye at scheduling something like this.) Likewise, they could contact an interpreter services agency if they needed documents translated into English. They'd have to pay for it, but those services are readily available.

So fun to see language specialists! We've gathered a whole lot of high-level expertise on this thread. It's been wonderful.

Your second paragraph exactly! There's no lack of Portuguese resources not far away from where they are or easy access from technology.

For UofMN, I was thinking of something more like "Community Education". There are often courses out there like that.

I'll bet you could even get Portuguese lessons on Fiverr.

IMO, for some reason, the Shroyers felt they had to get out of the US when they did.

 

[IQuestion]

If anyone is interested, this series at Australian customs and border control are very enlightening as far as what can go through or not, and why. FWIW The Australian locations are much more interesting than the USA and UK locations, ‘cos the Aussies have a flair for dramatics and are obviously particular.
There are several episodes organized around dollar limitations—I can’t find an exact one at the moment—but here’s a link to get you to the series:

RICKSHAWFAN My favorite shows, of late have been watching "airport arrival inspections/smuggling & suspicious
motives" shows for about 6 months now. Absolutely addicting!!! One family tried to circumvent the money laundering rules by "parceling out" $19,000 dollars amongst 3 family members so they would stay uner the $10K reporting limit. Ooops..."evasion is a crime" and the government seized the money. (The $10K reporting is per family/couple traveling together.) I had a very "funky/awkward situation " where a client reported their cash on one flight. The next connecting flight was delayed and now crossed over to a different day (Ie from 11pm to now being 1:30 am) and they had to fill out the paperwork again. I'll be darned, they were then questioned about why they were carrying so much money because the aggregate total was now double! according to the Feds! Oh, don't we all love the craziness of bureaucracy????

 

[cenazoic]

I think the point about it being strange that they went to Brazil to learn Portuguese, in preparation for an Angolan mission, is a good one.

Brazilian Portuguese differs, particularly in phonology and prosody, from varieties spoken in Portugal and Portuguese-speaking African countries. In these latter countries, the language tends to have a closer connection to contemporary European Portuguese, partly because Portuguese colonial rule ended much more recently there than in Brazil, and partly due to the heavy indigenous and diasporic African influence on Brazilian Portuguese. …

However, due to the two reasons mentioned above, the gap between the written, formal language and the spoken language is much wider in Brazilian Portuguese than in European Portuguese.

Quotes above cf: Brazilian Portuguese - Wikipedia

 

[ch_13]

Inside the murder of a missionary in Angola, allegedly planned by his wife and her lover in $50K ‘crime of passion’

Beau, wife Jackie Shroyer and their five children had been in "the remote bush" in the West African nation since setting up a mission there in 2021.

www.aol.com

This AOL article is just a repost of earlier reports, but there were some pictures I hadn't seen before, including a close-up of the cash found at the scene.

The caption says, "Police recovered an American-made knife that they say was used in the murder at the crime scene. They also discovered the equivalent of nearly $5,000 in cash in local Angolan currency. Amelia Oliveira – ANGOP"

But if the reporter had done five minutes of research they would have learned that the cash pictured above isn't Angolan. After looking at a lot of African currencies online, I believe that it's the Namibian Dollar which looks like this:

The thing is that 5000 USD is equivalent to 90,200 NAD. And the wad of bills displayed is not enough for that amount of cash. So, I believe that the reporting that the authorities recovered the equivalent of 5,000 USD is just wrong. In all likelihood it seems like they recovered 5,000 NAD which is the equivalent of 277 USD.

Does that mean that the other large sums of cash that have been thrown around (50K USD and 9K USD) are wrong as well? Could be.

 

[cenazoic]

Not sure if this has been posted, but a local (Angolan) source from 7 Nov says the SIC spokesman said it was $9400, of which about half had been converted to “4.5 million kwanzaas”.

Also,

According to the SIC spokesperson, it is “certain that the mastermind will have ordered the execution of her husband because she did not want to leave Angola”, wanting “permanent contact, but also to carry out another action focused on missionary life, on account of some projects in the municipality of Humpata, where they have already received large budgets, millions of dollars are being talked about”.

American woman who ordered her husband's murder in Angola arrested for aggravated murder

National authorities confirmed this Thursday the arrest of American citizen Jacqueline Shroyer and two Angolans, accused of the death of an American missionary, Beau Shoyer, on October 25, in the province of Huíla, in the south of the country.

www.verangola.net

 

[IQuestion]

Inside the murder of a missionary in Angola, allegedly planned by his wife and her lover in $50K ‘crime of passion’

Beau, wife Jackie Shroyer and their five children had been in "the remote bush" in the West African nation since setting up a mission there in 2021.

www.aol.com

This AOL article is just a repost of earlier reports, but there were some pictures I hadn't seen before, including a close-up of the cash found at the scene.
View attachment 547413

The caption says, "Police recovered an American-made knife that they say was used in the murder at the crime scene. They also discovered the equivalent of nearly $5,000 in cash in local Angolan currency. Amelia Oliveira – ANGOP"

But if the reporter had done five minutes of research they would have learned that the cash pictured above isn't Angolan. After looking at a lot of African currencies online, I believe that it's the Namibian Dollar which looks like this:
View attachment 547415 View attachment 547414

The thing is that 5000 USD is equivalent to 90,200 NAD. And the wad of bills displayed is not enough for that amount of cash. So, I believe that the reporting that the authorities recovered the equivalent of 5,000 USD is just wrong. In all likelihood it seems like they recovered 5,000 NAD which is the equivalent of 277 USD.

Does that mean that the other large sums of cash that have been thrown around (50K USD and 9K USD) are wrong as well? Could be.

ch_13 Drop the mic!!!! And this is why I love websleuths...you guys are the sharpest and don't fall for the "spoon fed BS" being served to the public as fact. I wonder what else is a streeeetch of the facts? For sure, I wouldn't trust anything Bernadino (or whatever is his real name) says. Bernadino is looking out for Bernadino...just look what happened to the man who trusted him and let him into his home. Ya' know the old saying in crime solving, "Follow the money."

 

[sunspun]

Inside the murder of a missionary in Angola, allegedly planned by his wife and her lover in $50K ‘crime of passion’

Beau, wife Jackie Shroyer and their five children had been in "the remote bush" in the West African nation since setting up a mission there in 2021.

www.aol.com

This AOL article is just a repost of earlier reports, but there were some pictures I hadn't seen before, including a close-up of the cash found at the scene.
View attachment 547413

The caption says, "Police recovered an American-made knife that they say was used in the murder at the crime scene. They also discovered the equivalent of nearly $5,000 in cash in local Angolan currency. Amelia Oliveira – ANGOP"

But if the reporter had done five minutes of research they would have learned that the cash pictured above isn't Angolan. After looking at a lot of African currencies online, I believe that it's the Namibian Dollar which looks like this:
View attachment 547415 View attachment 547414

The thing is that 5000 USD is equivalent to 90,200 NAD. And the wad of bills displayed is not enough for that amount of cash. So, I believe that the reporting that the authorities recovered the equivalent of 5,000 USD is just wrong. In all likelihood it seems like they recovered 5,000 NAD which is the equivalent of 277 USD.

Does that mean that the other large sums of cash that have been thrown around (50K USD and 9K USD) are wrong as well? Could be.

From what I can see, it is five notes with the value of 200. (I can see 200 on 3 of 5 of the notes, so am assuming the value of the remaining two is the same, which may not be true, but I suspect it is.) So that would make only 1,000 of whatever currency units it is, and it does look like Namibian dollar, as OP pointed out. Maybe this was only part of the cash discovered though. Says this was found at the scene, so more may have been recovered from elsewhere that the perps may have put it, as well as more possibly unrecovered, such as on the person of the final suspect, still at large, unless they've caught him too by now!

ETA Upon further scrutiny of the police evidence photo posted above, I have decided I was all wrong! Well, not all wrong, but some wrong. I actually do think this looks like it could be local Angolan currency, which I believe is called kwanza, but I now see the notes are of different colors, so not likely the same value. I think I see 20 on the one on top, although the orangish color is used on the 500 notes in kwanza from what I've seen, so I can see why you thought it was likely Namibian, since their 20s use this color, but the ones I've seen there have a different person's picture, but that can change... Then assuming police sorted the notes in ascending value, the next one should also be 20, followed by several 200s, looks like 3 to me, but may be more. So I guess all in all, we still can't say an exact value of the cash they recovered, but yes, it does seem like a lot less than USD$5000!

 

[sunspun]

Inside the murder of a missionary in Angola, allegedly planned by his wife and her lover in $50K ‘crime of passion’

Beau, wife Jackie Shroyer and their five children had been in "the remote bush" in the West African nation since setting up a mission there in 2021.

www.aol.com

This AOL article is just a repost of earlier reports, but there were some pictures I hadn't seen before, including a close-up of the cash found at the scene.
View attachment 547413

The caption says, "Police recovered an American-made knife that they say was used in the murder at the crime scene. They also discovered the equivalent of nearly $5,000 in cash in local Angolan currency. Amelia Oliveira – ANGOP"

But if the reporter had done five minutes of research they would have learned that the cash pictured above isn't Angolan. After looking at a lot of African currencies online, I believe that it's the Namibian Dollar which looks like this:
View attachment 547415 View attachment 547414

The thing is that 5000 USD is equivalent to 90,200 NAD. And the wad of bills displayed is not enough for that amount of cash. So, I believe that the reporting that the authorities recovered the equivalent of 5,000 USD is just wrong. In all likelihood it seems like they recovered 5,000 NAD which is the equivalent of 277 USD.

Does that mean that the other large sums of cash that have been thrown around (50K USD and 9K USD) are wrong as well? Could be.

Beautiful knife

 

[sunspun]

Inside the murder of a missionary in Angola, allegedly planned by his wife and her lover in $50K ‘crime of passion’

Beau, wife Jackie Shroyer and their five children had been in "the remote bush" in the West African nation since setting up a mission there in 2021.

www.aol.com

This AOL article is just a repost of earlier reports, but there were some pictures I hadn't seen before, including a close-up of the cash found at the scene.
View attachment 547413

The caption says, "Police recovered an American-made knife that they say was used in the murder at the crime scene. They also discovered the equivalent of nearly $5,000 in cash in local Angolan currency. Amelia Oliveira – ANGOP"

But if the reporter had done five minutes of research they would have learned that the cash pictured above isn't Angolan. After looking at a lot of African currencies online, I believe that it's the Namibian Dollar which looks like this:
View attachment 547415 View attachment 547414

The thing is that 5000 USD is equivalent to 90,200 NAD. And the wad of bills displayed is not enough for that amount of cash. So, I believe that the reporting that the authorities recovered the equivalent of 5,000 USD is just wrong. In all likelihood it seems like they recovered 5,000 NAD which is the equivalent of 277 USD.

Does that mean that the other large sums of cash that have been thrown around (50K USD and 9K USD) are wrong as well? Could be.

I posted earlier that it did look like kwanza to me, but I've been looking again at different African notes, and I now think you're right about it being Namibian. Don't know what I saw before that looked like not... but I wonder why it would have been in a different local currency? Maybe that's a common thing there. Would Angolans accept currency from another country such as Namibia? I don't know how close they are to each other, guess I'll go look at a map!

ETA looks like Namibia is Angola's neighbor to the south

 

[Kemug]

IMO, for some reason, the Shroyers felt they had to get out of the US when they did.

In love with a dream.

 

[Kemug]

Beautiful knife

That ain't no dinner knife!

 

[Kemug]

Beau seems like a good, nice and likeable man, from all we've heard. A real loss, especially to his children. Jackie - well, we have heard very little about her. So it's hard to tell. But the silence is suspicious, IMO. Surely some old friend, classmate, neighbour, church friend, whatever, should have been quoted as saying that Jackie was a very nice person, kind, a good neighbour, etc, and that they refuse to believe she did it. One man from their church, IIRC, did say that he found it hard to believe, but that's not quite the same thing, is it.

 

[ch_13]

I actually do think this looks like it could be local Angolan currency, which I believe is called kwanza, but I now see the notes are of different colors, so not likely the same value. I think I see 20 on the one on top, although the orangish color is used on the 500 notes in kwanza from what I've seen, so I can see why you thought it was likely Namibian, since their 20s use this color, but the ones I've seen there have a different person's picture, but that can change

rsbm.

I'm positive that they're Namibian dollars. Angolan currency has the currency denomination in an outline font, while the denominations in the photo are a solid font. And Namibian currency has braille dots which you can clearly see to the left of the denomination: the 20's have two vertical dots while the 200's have four dots in a square. (sidenote: I wish the U.S. had currency features to help the blind.)

A close-up of the currency. With the Braille dots and a solid font for the denomination value.

Compare that to the currencies below...


Angolan Kwanza

Namibian Dollar:

 

[ch_13]

I posted earlier that it did look like kwanza to me, but I've been looking again at different African notes, and I now think you're right about it being Namibian. Don't know what I saw before that looked like not... but I wonder why it would have been in a different local currency? Maybe that's a common thing there. Would Angolans accept currency from another country such as Namibia? I don't know how close they are to each other, guess I'll go look at a map!

ETA looks like Namibia is Angola's neighbor to the south

Sorry, I posted the above before I saw your last reply.

As to your question, I looked up the currencies, and the Namibian dollar is pegged to the South African rand. That would make it a more stable currency in the region compared to the Angola kwanza. According to Google, in the last year the kwanza has lost about 10% of its value compared to the NAD.

 

[Cryptic]

Don't know what I saw before that looked like not... but I wonder why it would have been in a different local currency? Maybe that's a common thing there.

In some developing countries the local currency can be viewed at times as unstable and prone to shrink in value.

Thus, while legitimate businesses in these situations probably can't insist on payment in say dollars, I have visited Turkey during times when local shops had a uhmmm....."strong preference" for dollars and even offered discounts if the customer paid in dollars.

This preference was stated even after the Turkish government forbade accepting payments in dollars, marks, francs etc (days before the Euro).

If the Angolan currency is fluctuating in value, I can see a similar "preference" by legitimate business owners for dollars, euros etc. Likewise, criminal transactions may specify that payment must be in a more stable currency.

 

[Trooper]

It is not difficult to think up all sorts of alternatives that Jackie had, that did not require Beau's death, and that death in such a macabre and vicious manner.

She could have drifted off with Bernie, to anywhere in Africa and not get found for years, to Mali, or Morocco, or Mozambique, she could have dug deep into her integrity and just put it down to tropical sunshine and gone back to Minnesota with Beau, with the 5 kids, she could have zipped off back to Brazil with Berni, .. got lost in Sao Paulo, lots of people do that. .. but no, she chooses the most ridiculous stupid gonzo dingbat plan of all time.