MN - Beau Shroyer, Wife of Detroit Lakes missionary killed in Angola arrested in connection to his death

[RickshawFan]

That bit stuck in my throat, that's a terrific chunk of US dollars to have ready to hand over to your boyfriend, on his say so that he has two blokes ready to off one's inconvenient husband. Bernadino could not have got that anywhere else but from Jackie, and she could not have got it anywhere else but from a joint account, or a fixed account earning interest , the whole changeover from account balance to cold hard cash in the hand being a matter of record.

That kind of currency just is not handed around or just withdrawn from your local branch, she would have had to give notice, and get Beau's signature, possibly, and inform the Angolan Tax Dept. And this goes ditto for any other currency, even Angolan.

All these three men are war babies... (the war ended in 2002, sort of ) probably fatherless . possibly motherless, probably long periods of interrupted schooling. That is one hell of a temptation, to young blokes of no inheritance, no home, no cattle, no tools.

Their crime will be projected as less heinous than Jackie's , most likely, Her crime of suborning murder, for money, while preaching the Word of God will be seen , in Portuguese Law as the more serious of the series of crimes committed that day.

If the money was under $10k, she might not have had to declare it on entry? That might be the reason only $9k was available.

Jackie could have assumed she could bring in as much as she wanted, and found out otherwise

Also, this has me thinking. What if Jackie herself tried to bribe LE? She might have! This would be very problematic for her.

 

[Trooper]

If the money was under $10k, she might not have had to declare it on entry? That might be the reason only $9k was available.

Jackie could have assumed she could bring in as much as she wanted, and found out otherwise

Also, this has me thinking. What if Jackie herself tried to bribe LE? She might have! This would be very problematic for her.

She could squeak in with $10.000.00 as a non resident, ( she is returning from holidays from the USA, while on a temporary work permit in Angola, she has not taken out citizenship ) . BUT . she goes on the record. That is, some geek at Customs takes notes, and distributes this note to banks, institutions and the Angolan Tax folks for inspection.

Hauling money around, in cash currency anywhere is a fraught business, it's not just floating thru customs with it, you do have to , if asked, provide history,, where did you get it, who gave it to you, for what purpose, give me records of transaction etc.. all done with charm and grace but with hard, inviolable firmness...

 

[Inthedetails]

If I recall the details, the accomplices were originally promised $50K, but after the murder Bernadino told them he didn't have it, and only gave them $9K.

A different report mentioned that there was $5K at the crime scene, but I don't know how that ties into the other cash.

I'm wondering if all or part of the money was money the kids had. Could each family member bring in money up to the allowed limit, or is it only per family or per adult?

Did the children have money for tuition? If mom is paying off hitmen, I don't think it would be beneath her to pilfer money from her kids.

Speculation only.

jmo

 

[adot0902]

She could squeak in with $10.000.00 but as a non resident, ( she is returning from holidays from the USA, while on a temporary work permit in Angola, she has not taken out citizenship ) . BUT . she goes on the record. That is, some geek at Customs takes notes, and distributes this note to banks, institutions and the Angolan Tax folks for inspection.

Hauling money around, in cash currency anywhere is a fraught business, it's not just floating thru customs with it, you do have to , if asked, provide history,, where did you get it, who gave it to you, for what purpose, give me records of transaction etc.. all done with charm and grace but with hard, inviolable firmness...

You don’t play with currency in foreign countries, especially developing countries it goes missing. So I’m torn.. half of my is like absolutely not she knew better than to bring in significant cash for obvious reasons the other half of of me is like well if anyone would she would bring in 10,000.01 and fill out the customs form because she has 1 brain cell and even it got tired.

 

[RickshawFan]

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I think you, @Trooper and I are all picking up what the other is laying down and we all agree!!

The question is, what could Jackie have been up to stateside? Was the ‘Dino affair not the first? Did she think she could lose the kids? What secrets are out there?

 

[RickshawFan]

You don’t play with currency in foreign countries, especially developing countries it goes missing. So I’m torn.. half of my is like absolutely not she knew better than to bring in significant cash for obvious reasons the other half of of me is like well if anyone would she would bring in 10,000.01 and fill out the customs form because she has 1 brain cell and even it got tired.

Yes, I’m thinking that before arrival you fill out a form on the plane that asks whether you have more than $10k on hand. It’s to prevent money laundering. You might be able to bring more in, but only with permission.

Jackie might be the type who didn’t believe rules applied to her, for whatever reason.

I binge-watched a DangerTV on-site show on YT in Australian customs and border control, so I learned all kinds of issues at borders, including the $10k limit. Some people carry huge amounts of cash, as I found out. But I also recall that limit when I’ve traveled.

Now, I’m wondering how she got hold of the money. I haven’t bothered with thinking about this question ‘til now. What if someone asked her to bring it, or paid her to bring something else. Gosh, that would be stupid. Are we gathering that she’s a person who doesn’t think far ahead? IMO this was obvious before she left the States to go to Brazil.

And she didn’t have any FB posts from Brazil? That’s weird. It’s the kind of place you’d take a lot of photos.

Come to think of it, I wonder what photos she had on the cloud.

 

[RickshawFan]

I'm wondering if all or part of the money was money the kids had. Could each family member bring in money up to the allowed limit, or is it only per family or per adult?

Did the children have money for tuition? If mom is paying off hitmen, I don't think it would be beneath her to pilfer money from her kids.

Speculation only.

jmo

Great point. Let me find out.

 

[RickshawFan]

Here are the customs and border control regs in Angola

Luanda airport : Rules and customs formalities

Information on the rules and customs formalities at the airport of Luanda. Taxes and exemptions for travelers to and from an international airport in Angola.

www.aeroporto-luanda.com

Also, my exploration about whether a minor can take $10k internationally, the answer is yes. However, it’s not exactly clear whether the $10k limit applies to a whole family unit: the answer seems to be yes.

But wait! Going into Angola, a minor can’t take more than $3.5k. But that might also be if they were traveling alone. All kinds of kids travel by themselves internationally. They go to boarding schools, etc.

 

[RickshawFan]

Woah! $60k a year for a student at the biggest international school in Angola. But it does sound well-accredited.

Luanda International School - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Trooper]

Here are the customs and border control regs in Angola

Luanda airport : Rules and customs formalities

Information on the rules and customs formalities at the airport of Luanda. Taxes and exemptions for travelers to and from an international airport in Angola.

www.aeroporto-luanda.com

Also, my exploration about whether a minor can take $10k internationally, the answer is yes. However, it’s not exactly clear whether the $10k limit applies to a whole family unit: the answer seems to be yes.

But wait! Going into Angola, a minor can’t take more than $3.5k. But that might also be if they were traveling alone. All kinds of kids travel by themselves internationally. They go to boarding schools, etc.

The thing is, ok, she brings this money, in cash currency in to the country, . where does she store it? if she puts it in a bank for safety, there is the record, of it's entry and exit.. If it's stored at home, with the 'security guard'.... who, as luck would have it, has access to it with Jackie's assistance, at the very least, knows about it, to lure a couple of wide boys into top flight crime......ie. murder.

Then, the killing itself apart from the money is a whole other thing. The money could have been taken anyways ... Beau's death was crucial to Jackie, not to anyone else.. .

 

[Cryptic]

Whatever this has to do with Mexico has escaped me, Portuguese law, and the Porto Language is the lingua franca of the Court, and the legal system in general in Angola. ...

Personally, I have never heard Mexican spoken in any regular sense on the entire African continent.

I used Mexico and Spain as examples that countries with historical ties to each other do not always use the same legal system.

In short going to the Portuguese consulate will not do any good for issues that are in Angola. It does not matter that both countries speak Portuguese.

Yes, Portuguese is the language of Angolan Courts. Court documents that I have seen in Spanish and French, however, are not easy to translate. Thinking that Portuguese might be the same.

Nobody speaks "Mexican". So, I am not surprised that you have not heard it in Africa.

 

[Trooper]

Great point. Let me find out.

Any money, in cash bought into the country has to be declared, anything over a certain amount gets confiscated at the border, but the thing is, what you do bring in, legally, normally, is tracked. Thru banks, thru organisations, thru ATMS< etc.. there is no provision for dealing out $9000.00 to a couple of young fellows to off your husband!...

And that money, dealt out to the young fellows in the plot would have been like a lightning bolt of attraction, the moment they pulled out of their pockets one dollar of it.. most likely it was in $50.00. even more of a copper magnet, they'd be surrounded in jig time..

The USA, like other countries, tracks it's currency in other countries, it has to. All countries do it.

 

[Cryptic]

Actually with the rise of translation apps, the cost of professional translation is not near what is use to be. Also SIM, is more than capable of providing these services there is a reason they are not, MOO!
Angola was a Portuguese territory until the 70’s, you could easily go to a Portuguese embassy assuming there are more explain the situation and they would put you in contact with the right people.

Good point- no, very good point about modern translations apps. I am older and my translating experience is before they existed.

In regards to Angola- it was a Portuguese colony until the 1970s, when Angolans rebelled and became an independent nation.

The only help the Portuguese consulate is going to give is: "Talk to the Angolans." Honestly, I would not let an Angolan official know that I went to their former colonial masters thinking that they can help me with something in Angola.

Some Africans can have prickly feelings about assumptions that their colonizing powers still have some sort of influence in what today are independent countries.

For things in Angola, the only people that can help are the Angolans- not the Portuguese.

 

[Trooper]

Good point- no, very good point about modern translations apps. I am older and my experience is before they existed.

In regards to Angola- it was a Portuguese colony until the 1970s, when Angolans rebelled and became an independent nation.

The only help the Portuguese consulate is going to give is: "Talk to the Angolans." Honestly, I would not let the Angolans know that I went to their former colonial masters thinking that they can help me with something in Angola.

Some Africans can have prickly feelings about assumptions that their former colonial masters still have some sort of influence in what today are independent countries.

For things in Angola, the only people that can help are the Angolans.

She, ( Beau's sister) could ring the Angolan Consulate in Houston, which is probably on the same time zone as Minnesota, so she would not have to strain herself in trying to work out the 'time problem' thingy.. If it's 10am in Minneapolis, it's probably 10am in Houston. Simple.

The Portuguese Embassy would have passed her call on.. . they are a naturally polite and helpful people with immense charm, unlike some other Embassies around the world, they'd be glad to help.

From memory, Angola does not have landlines, it's all cell phones, so apart from the expense and worry of holding on very long distance for the sister, ( which the Porttuguese embassy would have helped with ) everything Jackie and Beau and the bandits said on a phone is on record. If not the conversation, the connection.

 

[Kemug]

There doesn't seem to be a single thing in this case which isn't totally weird. Right from the start, with Beau saying something like "We are not going to be like normal missionaries, our job is to get inside peoples' deepest feelings, etc"! Does SIM really act like this? Next we have what seem to be the worst and strangest attempts in history to learn another language. Plus were Beau and Jackie really capable of home-schooling 5 children right into high school? Why in more than 3 years had they apparently achieved so few of their aims in Angola? Why have no old friends, etc rushed to Jackie's defence? Why would she want to kill her husband, why couldn't she just run off with the alleged boyfriend and the money? And how did she get her hands on the money anyway? Etc, etc, etc! I give up!

 

[Trooper]

There doesn't seem to be a single thing in this case which isn't totally weird. Right from the start, with Beau saying something like "We are not going to be like normal missionaries, our job is to get inside peoples' deepest feelings, etc"! Does SIM really act like this? Next we have what seem to be the worst and strangest attempts in history to learn another language. Plus were Beau and Jackie really capable of home-schooling 5 children right into high school? Why in more than 3 years had they apparently achieved so few of their aims in Angola? Why have no old friends, etc rushed to Jackie's defence? Why would she want to kill her husband, why couldn't she just run off with the alleged boyfriend and the money? And how did she get her hands on the money anyway? Etc, etc, etc! I give up!

'Our mission is not like other missionaries do, we are not doctors, or pilots, or home builders, our ministry (!) is based on relationships, getting to people deeply, and intimately, using those relationships to delve deeply into their lives, and helping with their physical needs, and also their spiritual needs. and their spiritual darkness they live in !!!!!''''''

Jackie took it to heart ,surely Beau did not mean for Jackie to be going around , getting to people intimately, helping people with their physical needs in the way she obviously did... . .. over took it, really...

Odd sort of ministry, really. without a psychology degree, he was in deep water. In a totally different culture, too.. Ambitious...

 

[RickshawFan]

The thing is, ok, she brings this money, in cash currency in to the country, . where does she store it? if she puts it in a bank for safety, there is the record, of it's entry and exit.. If it's stored at home, with the 'security guard'.... who, as luck would have it, has access to it with Jackie's assistance, at the very least, knows about it, to lure a couple of wide boys into top flight crime......ie. murder.

Then, the killing itself apart from the money is a whole other thing. The money could have been taken anyways ... Beau's death was crucial to Jackie, not to anyone else.. .

Jackie might have pretty much invited home robberies because she was splashy with cash. Recall, she bought all those junk snacks for the shoe shine boys. Those are super expensive if you’re on a local’s wages: way out of reach. This would have invited attention. After all, if you’re Angolan, who can afford all that except someone VERY rich?

I doubt ‘Dino would know about where the money was stashed. I wonder if there was a safe box at the mission headquarters? I’ll bet the Shroyers were getting paid in cash, too. And they likely had few expenses. Their house was provided, evidently. They might actually have had a built-in safe at that house.

 

[RickshawFan]

Any money, in cash bought into the country has to be declared, anything over a certain amount gets confiscated at the border, but the thing is, what you do bring in, legally, normally, is tracked. Thru banks, thru organisations, thru ATMS< etc.. there is no provision for dealing out $9000.00 to a couple of young fellows to off your husband!...

And that money, dealt out to the young fellows in the plot would have been like a lightning bolt of attraction, the moment they pulled out of their pockets one dollar of it.. most likely it was in $50.00. even more of a copper magnet, they'd be surrounded in jig time..

The USA, like other countries, tracks it's currency in other countries, it has to. All countries do it.

Yes, think of that… Locals with large amounts of dollars. Attention magnet.
The Shroyers (perhaps just Jackie) have to have brought it in illegally, in cash. I can’t think of any other way to have that much cash available. The local bank wouldn’t release that amount without reporting it, I’m thinking.

As foreigners, they might not even be allowed to open an Angolan bank account. One country I lived in, that was the case. We had to use cash for everything. (And because there were so many units of local currency to the dollar—same as Angola—we’d get paid in a STACK of bills (there were no coins). Lol

 

[RickshawFan]

There doesn't seem to be a single thing in this case which isn't totally weird. Right from the start, with Beau saying something like "We are not going to be like normal missionaries, our job is to get inside peoples' deepest feelings, etc"! Does SIM really act like this? Next we have what seem to be the worst and strangest attempts in history to learn another language. Plus were Beau and Jackie really capable of home-schooling 5 children right into high school? Why in more than 3 years had they apparently achieved so few of their aims in Angola? Why have no old friends, etc rushed to Jackie's defence? Why would she want to kill her husband, why couldn't she just run off with the alleged boyfriend and the money? And how did she get her hands on the money anyway? Etc, etc, etc! I give up!

If someone said something to me about getting inside my deepest feelings, I’d feel invaded. It would be a red flag to get away from that person as fast as I could. They’d have no respect for personal boundaries, and it’s just plain self-aggrandizing. IMO that kind of person is not safe to be around.

 

[Knox]

If I recall the details, the accomplices were originally promised $50K, but after the murder Bernadino told them he didn't have it, and only gave them $9K.

A different report mentioned that there was $5K at the crime scene, but I don't know how that ties into the other cash.

Maybe the other $4k is with the one who LE is still looking for. Thank you for answering my question.