MN - Daunte Wright, 20, fatally shot by police during traffic stop, Brooklyn Center, 11 April 2021

[Gibbo214]

So the officer who shot him is afforded that same sentiment?

Yes, she will get her day in court, hopefully. That is not always guaranteed though.

 

[kittythehare]

Taser vs. gun mix-ups draw fresh scrutiny in wake of Minnesota killing
The police department did not respond to questions from Reuters about the positioning of Potter’s device, her overall training history or how many hours of Taser training she underwent annually.

Paige Fernandez, a policing policy advocate with the American Civil Liberties Union, said the issue over whether Potter mistook her gun for her Taser is a distraction from the overarching issue of systematic racism within police forces. Fernandez said she believed such racism played a role in Wright’s death.

“Policing as an institution is the problem,” Fernandez said.

 

[kittythehare]

I'm still searching for the police manual, searching again..
Police in Minnesota Suburb Where Daunte Wright Was Killed Rely on Policies Designed to Protect Cops

#BestPractices.
Well if it is accurate that she was training a rookie when she killed Daunte Wright, one might imagine she would have implemented best practices, rather than what we saw, which is not the full story, I'm aware.

 

[mickey2942]

Very well said. Let's pay our police well, train them well, and give them what they need to do their jobs safely and with accountability. I actually think we will see more members of the younger generation step up to join the ranks, and I think they will start to demand better, too. Things don't have to be this way. Police and civilians can interact safely, and justice can be administered properly.

Police officers are very well paid. Many retire with six figure incomes based on working overtime, and pensions that are factored with "high three" year income.

The problem is with hiring, training, supervision.

I bet that this police officer has had plenty of other problems/issues, most of which are probably not even in her file. Not unlike Chauvin, who had documented incidents of using neck holds on folks in his custody previously. Except, he never killed anyone until George Floyd.

 

[CrimeAway]

There seems to be a lot of opinions, not a lot of facts. I was watching the news tonight, and didn't hear any actual "facts". The media went straight to the end result, victim of a police shooting. With a significant amount of speculation, and rhetoric.

Imagine that (MOO).

Thanks for sharing your thoughts @mickey2942

 

[kittythehare]

Police officers are very well paid. Many retire with six figure incomes based on working overtime, and pensions that are factored with "high three" year income.

The problem is with hiring, training, supervision.

I bet that this police officer has had plenty of other problems/issues, most of which are probably not even in her file. Not unlike Chauvin, who had documented incidents of using neck holds on folks in his custody previously. Except, he never killed anyone until George Floyd.

I saw that interview with Sara Seidner, earlier.
The Judge would not allow her to testify.
You are dead right.

 

[CrimeAway]

Police officers are very well paid. Many retire with six figure incomes based on working overtime, and pensions that are factored with "high three" year income.

The problem is with hiring, training, supervision.

RSBM. I'm sure that LE salaries vary a lot by location, but in my area, recruits start out at $12-$15/hr and sworn officers at $29,000 to $40,000 (All MOO).

I don't think that law enforcement is a profession that people go into for the financial reward (MOO).

 

[Apollo]

I'm still searching for the police manual, searching again..
Police in Minnesota Suburb Where Daunte Wright Was Killed Rely on Policies Designed to Protect Cops

#BestPractices.
Well if it is accurate that she was training a rookie when she killed Daunte Wright, one might imagine she would have implemented best practices, rather than what we saw, which is not the full story, I'm aware.

If she had a rookie with her at the time, perhaps she stepped into the situation (where I can't see that she was needed) to 'show them how it's done'. Can you even imagine how horrified that rookie must have been?

 

[kittythehare]

If she had a rookie with her at the time, perhaps she stepped into the situation (where I can't see that she was needed) to 'show them how it's done'. Can you even imagine how horrified that rookie must have been?

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about too.
Lesson De-Escalation thrown out the window at some stage too, it appears in light of the information we currently have- the short clip...

 

[tara83]

If she had a rookie with her at the time, perhaps she stepped into the situation (where I can't see that she was needed) to 'show them how it's done'. Can you even imagine how horrified that rookie must have been?

That's what shocks me.He actually seemed to be handling things fine and she was totally the one who stepped in when she shouldn't have.

 

[CrimeAway]

If she had a rookie with her at the time, perhaps she stepped into the situation (where I can't see that she was needed) to 'show them how it's done'. Can you even imagine how horrified that rookie must have been?

I actually thought that might be why she intervened the way that she did. I also wondered if that might have been a factor in the Derek Chauvin case also. Could both cases maybe have elements of a senior/experienced officer feeling that the 'rookies' couldn't handle the situation and needed to be 'helped' or shown how to control an unexpectedly challenging situation??? I'm not defending what happened in either case, just seeking to understand it. All MOO

 

[al66pine]

Right to an Atty?

No doubt she will have a lawyer to defend herself.Too bad Wright will never get the same chance.

@tara83 He would have ---
if, "while officers were attempting to take the driver into custody,"* Wright had not resisted arrest by "re-enter"ing the vehicle and fleeing by driving several blocks away from LEOs.
Then he would have had a chance to defend himself/have an atty defend him in court re 1. traffic violation which was the reason for the stop (expired license/tag, iirc?) and 2. outstanding warrant, which LEOs were aware of (Aggravated Robbery 1st Degree, and more, Dec 2019).

NOT saying he deserved to die this way. Wondering how difficult would it have been for Wright to comply and to have attorney and his day in court?
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* April 11 News Release from Brooklyn Center PD: https://twitter.com/kimvhyatt/status/1381407721124024324/photo/1

 

[mickey2942]

That's what shocks me.He actually seemed to be handling things fine and she was totally the one who stepped in when she shouldn't have.

Yeah, more "training" by senior officers. That is what didn't make sense in the video..everything seemed fine until she busted in, and it went crazy. I wonder what she said...no audio on the video.

 

[Simply Southern]

RSBM. I'm sure that LE salaries vary a lot by location, but in my area, recruits start out at $12-$15/hr and sworn officers at $29,000 to $40,000 (All MOO).

I don't think that law enforcement is a profession that people go into for the financial reward (MOO).

The same in Virginia for starting pay.....35k to 42k. Northern Virginia pays more but the COL is much higher.

 

[Apollo]

I actually thought that might be why she intervened the way that she did. I also wondered if that might have been a factor in the Derek Chauvin case also. Could both cases maybe have elements of a senior/experienced officer feeling that the 'rookies' couldn't handle the situation and needed to be 'helped' or shown how to control an unexpectedly challenging situation??? I'm not defending what happened in either case, just seeking to understand it. All MOO

Or maybe simply showing off.

 

[Gibbo214]

The same in Virginia for starting pay.....35k to 42k. Northern Virginia pays more but the COL is much higher.

That is the average of all LE in Virginia. Not starting.

 

[kittythehare]

Right to an Atty?
@tara83 He would have ---
if, "while officers were attempting to take the driver into custody,"* Wright had not resisted arrest by "re-enter"ing the vehicle and fleeing by driving several blocks away from LEOs.
Then he would have had a chance to defend himself/have an atty defend him in court re 1. traffic violation which was the reason for the stop (expired license/tag, iirc?) and 2. outstanding warrant, which LEOs were aware of (Aggravated Robbery 1st Degree, and more, Dec 2019).

NOT saying he deserved to die this way. Wondering how difficult would it have been for Wright to comply and to have attorney and his day in court?
______________________________________
* April 11 News Release from Brooklyn Center PD: https://twitter.com/kimvhyatt/status/1381407721124024324/photo/1

They're professionals, paid to serve and protect.
A higher standard of accountability should apply to them.
I'd imagine it would have been almost impossible for him to comply. This is his mother's statement.
He was terrified of the police.
Has it been confirmed if this is the warrant for which he never received the summons or not?

If he had not, because of the zoom hearing notification being sent to the wrong address and zero de-escalation or attempt to explain anything to him or hear his response prior to killing him, it's a gross injustice.

He was right to be afraid.

 

[mickey2942]

The same in Virginia for starting pay.....35k to 42k. Northern Virginia pays more but the COL is much higher.

Scot Peterson’s pension — $8,702 a month — is on the line in criminal case

 

[Apollo]

Right to an Atty?
@tara83 He would have ---
if, "while officers were attempting to take the driver into custody,"* Wright had not resisted arrest by "re-enter"ing the vehicle and fleeing by driving several blocks away from LEOs.
Then he would have had a chance to defend himself/have an atty defend him in court re 1. traffic violation which was the reason for the stop (expired license/tag, iirc?) and 2. outstanding warrant, which LEOs were aware of (Aggravated Robbery 1st Degree, and more, Dec 2019).

NOT saying he deserved to die this way. Wondering how difficult would it have been for Wright to comply and to have attorney and his day in court?
______________________________________
* April 11 News Release from Brooklyn Center PD: https://twitter.com/kimvhyatt/status/1381407721124024324/photo/1

He was young and foolish. He had gotten away from the police before. The distraction Potter caused gave him the opportunity to try it again---so he did. The officer cuffing him had said to him 'don't try to get away' or 'don't try to run'---something to that effect, so I think he must have been aware that he had run before. Knowing that, I bet the officer was focused on him while he was handcuffing him. Until Potter caused the distraction. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

He was young and foolish. He had gotten away from the police before. The distraction Potter caused gave him the opportunity to try it again---so he did. The officer cuffing him had said to him 'don't try to get away' or 'don't try to run'---something to that effect, so I think he must have been aware that he had run before. Knowing that, I bet the officer was focused on him while he was handcuffing him. Until Potter caused the distraction. JMO

That is how I perceived it too.
Also apparently there were three officers present, not two.
Kid was unarmed.
And whether they knew that or not should not have led to his 'tasing', even if it's only a few recommendations not to hit the chest and to give the victim, in this case, adequate time to respond or comply.
He got no time at all, she was in there screaming like a bat outa hell.
Thing is, he is dead and she has hired a lawyer.