MN - Daunte Wright, 20, fatally shot by police during traffic stop, Brooklyn Center, 11 April 2021

[Gibbo214]

I can be and am extremely sympathetic to him, he was scared. But, I can also believe that lack of respect and mistrust on both sides is part of the problem. Police do need to be better trained - no doubt. But, I also believe at some point, kids need to be taught to respect authority as well. Fight or flight is within each of us. JMHO



No, but she didn't try to use deadly force. She tried to use a taser which is NOT deadly. Yes, she made a MISTAKE, she is human. And, she will pay for that mistake with her freedom, her job, and her mental health.

But, you keep claiming that the kid had the right to fear police because of the color of his skin. Can't the same hold true that cops now have a greater fear because of the badge that they wear? The few bad apples on both sides of the equation have made it harder. I can't see any reason to believe that this was race driven. They had probable cause to stop him, they had probable cause to arrest him, he tried to flee. Yes, getting back in the vehicle was fleeing - just like his previous experience, only this time he had a motor vehicle. He didn't deserve to die, but I see an officer trying to use non-lethal means to stop a fleeing criminal. Isn't that what we have been asking of cops? Non-lethal means of stopping the criminals? This was a terrible, terrible tragedy all the way around.

If they have that fear, they should not be wearing the badge. IMO. BBM

 

[mickey2942]

I am over 50 years old, and sometimes have to check which hand has my wedding ring on it, to double check it is my left hand. FWIW.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, he had several gun charges pending. The aggravated robbery with firearm and the later illegal possession of a firearm. Separate charges. He has been arrested on the gun charge, and out of bond and sent a Notice of Hearing. He failed to appear at that hearing, and that will almost always result in a warrant. His attorney is claiming he never got notice of the hearing, but the court reaffirmed it was sent to his address and not returned. When you get released on bond, the court will advise you it is your responsibility to make sure the court has your correct address and to advise if it changes.

Two.
Just the two.
Calling it several suggests a lot more.
His attorney was not notified and HQSD failed to reply to Daily Beast query regarding that.

I wonder why?

 

[PrairieWind]

There was plenty of time to taze him IMO.

Who could taze him? the guy hanging with his arm in the window?

 

[kittythehare]

We have discussed this ad nauseum, I have, I know.

I do not believe she meant to kill him.
But I believe, having cited taser use guidelines upthread that she was not justified in using a taser in that situation.

She did not fulfill taser use criteria.
'I'm gonna tase you' followed exactly 7 seconds later by the lethal shot.
She also endangered the other passenger in the vehicle by firing that taser in the way she did.
Although her warrant states she shot his side, permitted, the medical examiner stated he died from a shot to the chest, not permitted.

I think we're going down cul-de-sacs by bringing in wider discussions here.

I think her manner, from the extraordinarily limited information we have, that single clip, is leaving us foundering in the dark and furthering the wilder allegations.
Daunte Wright is the victim in this case.

I linked Mary Moriarty's tweet from today already





Mary Moriarty

@MaryMoriarty
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Cooperating with the police does not ensure a positive outcome. The Massachusetts high court has ruled it is not suspicious for a Black person to run from the police. Not cooperating with police should not be a death sentence.

 

[PrairieWind]

We have discussed this ad nauseum, I have, I know.

I do not believe she meant to kill him.
But I believe, having cited taser use guidelines upthread that she was not justified in using a taser in that situation.

She did not fulfill taser use criteria.
'I'm gonna tase you' followed exactly 7 seconds later by the lethal shot.
She also endangered the other passenger in the vehicle by firing that taser in the way she did.
Although her warrant states she shot his side, permitted, the medical examiner stated he died from a shot to the chest, not permitted.

I think we're going down cul-de-sacs by bringing in wider discussions here.

I think her manner, from the extraordinarily limited information we have, that single clip, is leaving us foundering in the dark and furthering the wilder allegations.
Daunte Wright is the victim in this case.

I linked Mary Moriarty's tweet from today already





Mary Moriarty

@MaryMoriarty
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Cooperating with the police does not ensure a positive outcome. The Massachusetts high court has ruled it is not suspicious for a Black person to run from the police. Not cooperating with police should not be a death sentence.

Mary Moriarty's comments on the Massachusetts case really don't apply. That court case has to do with walking or running away from police not being reasonable suspicion to instigate a Terry stop. That isn't the case here. There was a valid warrant and the officers had probable cause to make a lawful arrest. No one has the right to resist at that point.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That is not a fact, it is an opinion.

Do you think police officer KP intentionally used her gun to shoot DW?

 

[kittythehare]

Mary Moriarty's comments on the Massachusetts case really don't apply. That court case has to do with walking or running away from police not being reasonable suspicion to instigate a Terry stop. That isn't the case here. There was a valid warrant and the officers had probable cause to make a lawful arrest. No one has the right to resist at that point.

Do they have a right to resist without getting tased?
Could she have handled it better?
Was tasing her only recourse to action?
Could the situation have been deescalated?
We do not know whether or not he received the notification for the zoom hearing for which the open warrant issued.
We do know his attorney did not receive it because he said so.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am over 50 years old, and sometimes have to check which hand has my wedding ring on it, to double check it is my left hand. FWIW.

But she is a police officer who has probably had to reach for her gun and taser hundreds of times over the years. Anyone who has to think about which is their right or left should not be on the police force.

 

[Gibbo214]

I am over 50 years old, and sometimes have to check which hand has my wedding ring on it, to double check it is my left hand. FWIW.

Yes, but I bet that you never pick up a pen and try to write with your non dominant hand or play tennis with the racquet in the wrong hand.

 

[PrairieWind]

Do they have a right to resist without getting tased?
Could she have handled it better?
Was tasing her only recourse to action?
Could the situation have been deescalated?
We do not know whether or not he received the notification for the zoom hearing for which the open warrant issued.
We do know his attorney did not receive it because he said so.

He did NOT have a right to resist.
Of course she have handled it better, and not shot him. Could have taken other action? She could have let him drive away I guess.
Could it have been de-escalated? Not sure how. Wright is the one that decided to flee, it was all over in seconds after that.
Whether he received the notice of hearing is really irrelevant at this point. The police noted there was a warrant. They are entitled to act on that. Wright was told that he was being arrested on an outstanding warrant.

 

[Gibbo214]

Who could taze him? the guy hanging with his arm in the window?

No, when he was on top of the male officer on the ground. Where was the female officer when he had his arm in the window?

 

[Gibbo214]

Which is why the officer automatically went to an item with, what I am assuming is on her dominant side. (Right hand).

Well, IMO she is in the wrong job.

 

[kittythehare]

He did NOT have a right to resist.
Of course she have handled it better, and not shot him. Could have taken other action? She could have let him drive away I guess.
Could it have been de-escalated? Not sure how. Wright is the one that decided to flee, it was all over in seconds after that.
Whether he received the notice of hearing is really irrelevant at this point. The police noted there was a warrant. They are entitled to act on that. Wright was told that he was being arrested on an outstanding warrant.

Again, when all things are taken into account, we do not have access to all things but we do have access to his public defender's statement saying he had not been advised of the zoom hearing, the boy possibly inferred he would not be treated fairly.
He got back into his vehicle but the vehicle did not move and was stationary when he was shot.
A conversation and a call to his lawyer would have prevented this outcome.
He may well have complied safe in the knowledge that he would be protected.

We simply do not know what transpired.
What they said or his replies.

A lot of this argument is occurring because LE failed to release the specific warrant ID for which he was being arrested.

The media went wild with the wrong warrant info.
The victim was abused on social media and called all kinds of names and so were his parents.

I believe a lot of the furore could have been avoided if context had been produced accurately from the outset.

 

[Jax49]

Is there a pic available comparing her gun to her taser? TIA.

 

[kittythehare]

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I don't believe her use of the taser was justified as a first resort.
No way.
I don't believe or think it unlikely she really intended to kill him.
But, having said all that, I'm saying it in light of the current level of information available to the general public that I can find now.

I know nothing of her prior record as a LEO or as a person. I know nothing about her beliefs attitudes to use of force mechanisms or her training.
She appeared quite hysterical to me.
I'm not aware of any reason for her perceived hysteria.
Did she have a previous bad experience?
Was she a drug or alcohol user?
A control freak?

I'm just relieved his passenger survived and unaware of the mechanism that sent his vehicle off speeding after he'd been shot.
Unfortunately, on this occasion we have no bystander video

 

[sds71]

Is there a pic available comparing her gun to her taser? TIA.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1382827826651357187/photo/1

 

[kittythehare]

Mary Moriarty's comments on the Massachusetts case really don't apply. That court case has to do with walking or running away from police not being reasonable suspicion to instigate a Terry stop. That isn't the case here. There was a valid warrant and the officers had probable cause to make a lawful arrest. No one has the right to resist at that point.

The valid warrant was for running away the Summer before .
That is why her words do apply here.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

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I'm one of the people who like to know the facts and all the evidence that I can before I jump to conclusions. From my point of view, I don't think any of this makes anyone happy and even though it may seem as if some are giving her the benefit of the doubt I would bet that a very high percentage are not cutting her any slack.

I don't agree with how KP handled the situation after DW tried to flee his arrest. However, IMO KP knew that his warrant was for an illegal possession of a gun and not appearing at his hearing. It's reasonable to think that she thought he was going for a weapon in his car and that is why she reacted by trying to stop him by tasing him.

I try really hard to look at all the facts and really consider the situation and all the potential risks involved. It's hard to do sometimes.

DW didn't deserve to be shot. This is tragic beyond words and KP needs to be held accountable for her actions.

Sending a virtual hug to all my fellow WS'ers!!!!!

 

[kittythehare]

How did his vehicle move after he'd been shot in the chest?
Was the engine running when he was shot?
Did he manage , somehow, to switch on ignition and drive away after the fatal gunshot?
I know I'm asking for speculation because the film clip does not show the state of his engine at the time he was shot IMO.
How could it have happened?