MN - Dentist Kills a Tame Lion- Catches Heat, July 2015

[Elley Mae]

Bushmen Safaris will provide food and lodging for 12 days, 4 trophy fees ($2,100 in trophy fees), 10 days guiding services. Price also includes: round-trip ground transportation from the Johannesburg, South Africa Airport, all other ground transportation during your bow hunting experience. Professional hunter, field staff, field prep of trophies, packing and delivery of trophies to an approved South African taxidermist, hunting vehicles, licenses, accommodations (luxury), all meals, wine and beer from bar (in moderation), daily laundry services. (VAT taxes added to items subject to VAT tax; the exported trophies and transportation are exempt.)

http://www.bushmensafaris.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=37

bbm Looks like bushman supplied the license. He just had to be at the airport to be picked up.

 

[Always Amazed]

Wildlife Conservation Research Unit statement:

http://www.wildcru.org/

 

[Rocco]

bbm, that is your opinion, not mine in this situation.

This according to Zimbabwe's The herald.

Cecil the lion killer professional hunter granted $1000 bail

http://www.herald.co.zw/cecil-the-lion-killer-professional-hunter-granted-1000-bail/

PROFESSIONAL hunter, Theodro Bronkhorst, was yesterday granted bail after he appeared in court charged with failing to prevent the illegal hunting and killing of Cecil the lion at Antoinette Farm in the Gwayi Conservancy.

Yeah but then there's this from the link Always Amazed posted:

"Authorities in Zimbabwe have charged Palmer’s guide and a nearby land owner with poaching in connection with Cecil’s death. They also announced they are actively looking for Palmer, threatening to arrest him for his actions."

'Actively looking for Palmer' sounds like they're trying to hunt him down. I wonder what it will take to lure him out of his 'safe place'.

This all sounds so familiar.

 

[Always Amazed]

Bushmen Safaris will provide food and lodging for 12 days, 4 trophy fees ($2,100 in trophy fees), 10 days guiding services. Price also includes: round-trip ground transportation from the Johannesburg, South Africa Airport, all other ground transportation during your bow hunting experience. Professional hunter, field staff, field prep of trophies, packing and delivery of trophies to an approved South African taxidermist, hunting vehicles, licenses, accommodations (luxury), all meals, wine and beer from bar (in moderation), daily laundry services. (VAT taxes added to items subject to VAT tax; the exported trophies and transportation are exempt.)

http://www.bushmensafaris.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=37

bbm Looks like bushman supplied the license. He just had to be at the airport to be picked up.

Do you believe a man who has hunted for 50 years did not know that this was an illegal hunt?

When do you think he realized it might have been an illegal hunt? After the news reports, after the lion had to be shot after 40 hours of looking for it, or after they cut off the radio collar and tried to destroy it?

 

[sloane7777]

so let's go ahead and ruin someone's life because they did something we don't agree with. Why is this even news?

its murder and thats why we are here for the most part

 

[sloane7777]

I'm sorry this guy is the worst he is right there with a child rapist 50,000 to kill someone who is tame, sweet and beautiful.....my opinion but to hunt at all is sick , beyond sick to me and to spend that kind of money when there are kids in that city who are too poor to have dental work done .......I hope this fool does not call himself a Christian

I just cant understand why people want to take a life

 

[Always Amazed]

It's news because justice is important in our world. Justice is one of the great equalizers. When people are above justice or above the law because they have money then the rest of us feel fear, as well we should.

Also, accountability. Palmer needs to be held accountable for his actions. He DID, in fact, shoot Cecil with his bow and arrow, wounding Cecil. He knows darn well what he did was illegal.

 

[mister happy]

Here's a quote from Palmer's statement:

"I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt."

If Palmer became aware at the end of his hunt that lion he "took" was Cecil, why didn't he immediately report his tragic mishap? Palmer headed back home after Cecil was skinned and beheaded. Weeks later authorities discovered that Palmer was the one who "took" Cecil. So, only after he was caught out about it, he spoke up. Something is amiss here.

 

[sloane7777]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/thank-you/2071141

HERE IS THE PETITION

 

[Damarna]

This is my neck of the woods. This guy is toast in the community whether one feels it is justified or not. There is outrage to say the least.

 

[Martha Morris]

So let's go ahead and ruin someone's life because they did something we don't agree with. Why is this even news?

It's news because it's a despicable, unnecessary and cruel act. There is no reason for anyone in 2015 to be hunting and killing lions. Or rhino, or any of these magnificent creatures.

People hunted for food to survive, to feed their families. They hunted for meat and they hunted for hides to clothe themselves. This wealthy dentist who can afford to pay 55,000 dollars for a license, is hunting for one reason and one reason only. Pleasure. He gets a thrill out of killing. He enjoys stalking and killing for no good reason other than he gets enjoyment from it. He poses like some kind of hero with his kills.

In this day and age there is no place for this kind of killing, at the whim of an individual who takes pleasure from ending the life of these magnificent creatures who share our planet.

People the world over, are outraged and understandably so. That's why it's news.

 

[Nova]

I'm sorry this guy is the worst he is right there with a child rapist 50,000 to kill someone who is tame, sweet and beautiful.....my opinion but to hunt at all is sick , beyond sick to me and to spend that kind of money when there are kids in that city who are too poor to have dental work done .......I hope this fool does not call himself a Christian

I just cant understand why people want to take a life

Some hunting is necessary. It was controversial, but authorities felt they had to cull the deer population in the Pittsburgh suburb where my sister lived for years. Failure to do so would have meant slow, cruel deaths of overpopulated deer from disease and starvation. There was also a danger to people from frightened deer trapped in suburbia.

But this has nothing to do with Cecil. Lions are endangered in Africa, not overpopulated.

 

[Nova]

Here's a quote from Palmer's statement:

"I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt."

If Palmer became aware at the end of his hunt that lion he "took" was Cecil, why didn't he immediately report his tragic mishap? Palmer headed back home after Cecil was skinned and beheaded. Weeks later authorities discovered that Palmer was the one who "took" Cecil. So, only after he was caught out about it, he spoke up. Something is amiss here.

Oh, please! (My sarcasm isn't directed at you, mister happy.)

If the dentist can afford $55,000 a day to hunt lions, I'm reasonably sure he has cable or dish TV. Every nature program on big cats (and I watch them obsessively) talks about the dwindling numbers of lions in the wild and how the population has declined by 60% or so just in the past 30 years!

It takes a sick **** to kill a member of an dwindling species just for kicks! Even IF he didn't know the lion was a local celebrity.

An informal poll at my house last night showed 100% of respondents in favor of extraditing the dentist to Zimbabwe in the hopes Zimbabwe will kill him and mount his head on a wall. (We're actually anti-d.p., but we might make an exception in this case.)

 

[La Louve]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/thank-you/2071141

HERE IS THE PETITION

There is a petition on changedotorg too:

https://www.change.org/p/justice-fo...rdion_checklist=checklist_promote_share_first

This makes me sick.

 

[Dogface]

I absolutely condemn this dirty kill. With that said, I urge people to look into the amount of money raised by these legal hunts which do help grow the population of endangered species. Sacrifice a few to save many. If they had millions upon millions coming in to help battle poachers perhaps they wouldn't need to rely on this money, but so it is that this money actually helps grow the population and also gives villagers a way to earn money. It's hard to set emotion aside when you see such a beautiful, and to us, an exotic animal killed, but I think everyone should read about what these type of hunts do. BUT I do not believe what was done here is the same thing as what happens with most hunts, and I don't believe we should put our disdain for him aside. I think at the very least, if he was remorseful and realized his mistake he should have contacted someone to confess to what happened. If he truly felt blameless he should have been angered at the group he paid to take him on this hunt. Instead, he kills him slowly, then leaves his carcass to just rot? That's sick. That's wrong. It's not taking responsibility and making sure that the people who "set him up" to do this kill pay for their misdeeds.

I'm including a link, hope it's considered MSM, and I can't link properly because when I do it crashes my web browser on my phone:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opin...-texas-hunter-cheerleader-20140716-story.html

 

[Dogface]

Also wanted to post this link, which discusses what happened with the white rhino, and offers IMO a very balanced look at this:

http://conservationmagazine.org/2014/01/can-trophy-hunting-reconciled-conservation/

 

[Snick1946]

Some hunting is necessary. It was controversial, but authorities felt they had to cull the deer population in the Pittsburgh suburb where my sister lived for years. Failure to do so would have meant slow, cruel deaths of overpopulated deer from disease and starvation. There was also a danger to people from frightened deer trapped in suburbia.

But this has nothing to do with Cecil. Lions are endangered in Africa, not overpopulated.

Totally agree. I am pro-Second Amendment and, while I am more or less left of center politically, I do not oppose hunting or firearm ownership. Trophy hunting is despicable. I have never known anyone who was into it but from what I have seen of those who are I agree that many of them seem like narcissists, doing something on purpose to be shocking and offensive. Sort of a passive aggressive thing.

He shelled out over $125,000 to settle a harassment suit. Wonder if it was something involving sedation on the victim- that would fit his profile.

 

[Always Amazed]

Trending news - CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/zimbabwe-cecil-the-lion-killed/

"Famed primatologist and conservationist Jane Goodall spoke about Cecil, saying, "He was not even killed outright, but suffered for hours before finally being shot with a bullet. . ... And this behavior is described as a 'sport.'"

"Only one good thing comes out of this," she said. "Thousands of people have read the story and have also been shocked. Their eyes opened to the dark side of human nature. Surely they will now be more prepared to fight for the protection of wild animals and the wild places where they live. Therein lies the hope.""

IMO I believe we can find something to replace trophy hunting that will benefit conservation efforts. I believe every effort should be made to leave this planet with as many species as possible. We are, after all, only killing ourselves by destroying them.

 

[Fairynuff]

I don't agree with what he did, but seriously.....like, people think he just flew over to Africa and hunted this lion down? Umm...no. They ADVERTISED for him to do so. I'm sure he just googled up hunts and found something. The money hungry locals who lured him there knew about the history of this lion. I could see him not knowing and just trusting the locals.

I totally see no reason to hunt a beautiful creature like that, but there are many, many "big game" hunts that go on here stateside. Just because a moose or an elk isn't as "beautiful" as Cecil, doesn't mean it should be any different. I don't think it's worth the bounty that's been placed on this guy's head.

Aside....why are not as many people worldwide upset and demanding for the killer of Deer Island Doe, or any other of our missing, murdered babies? While magestic, human life is so much more valuable, yet people read about an unidentified child and immediately forget. Yet, for this man....there's death threats, media attention, etc. It's so wrongly prioritized.

this lion, known as cecil, was in an enclosure. that means it was on a game reserve. that also means that this dentist knew very well that it was all illegal.
this very lion, known as cecil, was tagged with a gps collar, was being filmed every hour and documented from 2008 by the oxford university researchers. now if you watched meerkat manor you would know that these same researchers did this documentary. it took over 10 years to get all the material to make this narrated documentary, not to mention the costly equipment that was set up all over the karoo. so I would imagine that the equipment would have been set up all over the game reserve as well to document cecil and his daily antics.

 

[LinasK]

There is a petition on changedotorg too:

https://www.change.org/p/justice-fo...rdion_checklist=checklist_promote_share_first

This makes me sick.

I signed that one.