MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #12 - Chauvin Trial Day 9

[missy1974]

What they are going through now, the excited delirium signs... good to note before the defense calls back the witness that did the medical training for MPD.

 

[MadMcGoo]

This excited delirium explanation is interesting to me. Did anyone catch where these criteria came from? Is it a standard checklist?

 

[kaen]

Oh dear I only went for a bath came back and Nelson sounds like he’s been chain smoking cigars in his lunch break! Imagine a covid outbreak in court

I am thinking it may be seasonal allergies. I certainly hope it is not something like COVID. I would hope he and all involved in this trial are being extra careful.

 

[turaj]

Oh dear I only went for a bath came back and Nelson sounds like he’s been chain smoking cigars in his lunch break! Imagine a covid outbreak in court

Pretty sure he as well as all of them are vaccinated. Here in Minnesota we have a pretty good supply of vaccine and open to all ages.

 

[AC's Grandma]

I just have to say I love that comb over. I can't not shake my head when I'm watching him testify.

 

[MsBetsy]

This excited delirium explanation is interesting to me. Did anyone catch where these criteria came from? Is it a standard checklist?

I can't remember the name of the witness, but she basically described excited delirium as psychomotor agitation, sweating, delirium, high fever, and sometimes sudden extraordinary strength. I'm sure someone will add whatever I'm missing. It's rarely associated with opioids, but can sometimes be seen with meth use. Imo

 

[whitelilac]

So very difficult to watch....horrific

 

[ElizaKate]

In the UK, all court advocates/workers are classed as "key workers" and can therefore access rapid testing. Some will qualify for vaccination if critical for court proceedings.

ETA: obviously US may/will differ. Just meant as an insight.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

@cathyrusson
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Wow! Very interesting that Nelson didn't receive Tobin's visuals/exhibits until last night. Most of the time exhibits associated with an expert are provided with more lead time than that. Am I correct

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Replying to
@cathyrusson
@KenneyBaden
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@RBianchiEsq
No. Not necessarily. He would have been given the reports and the raw data and information prior to a trial but if an exhibit was made from that data it could be given just before the witness takes the stand. This is fairy common. But shocking to those who don’t know that

Wish I could RSBM on this to clarify, but the whole entire post is needed.

For those that follow trials, this is a situation of what happened in the Dan Markel trial, and many others. These are NOT exihibits, they will NOT be allowed to be taken to the jury room. They ARE based on information which has already been shared with the defense and is not new.

I remember in the Markel case.. they wanted to see such as they thought was an exhibit. And judge said NO.. as it was only telephone tower stuff that was a visual demonstrative, and the only exhibit for them was RAW DATA from phone companies EGADS!. Surprise as I think many jurors were depending on that they could review at will. Just like videos.. which are restricted and must be viewed in entirety.

MOO

 

[CrimeAway]

I know it shouldn't have... but this made me laugh LOL thank you

his voice.. he's sniffing... a bit of coughing... it's not looking good!

I don't know how the pollen levels are there in Minneapolis, but they are awful where I am. Several times over the last few weeks, I've woken up with a sore throat, headache and wondered if I was getting sick...

 

[delilah]

This guy did well for the state. Let’s see what Nelson tries to do with him.

 

[ACE422]

I don’t know how any family members could possibly handle watching this trial. It’s one thing to be able to avoid looking at the videos- but to hear him cry out repeatedly, begging for his life and hear his final moments over and over and over again- I couldn’t do it.

 

[delilah]

I don’t know how any family members could possibly handle watching this trial. It’s one thing to be able to avoid looking at the videos- but to hear him cry out repeatedly, begging for his life and hear his final moments over and over and over again- I couldn’t do it.

It’s horrible. There was concern in the first couple of days that showing the videos repeatedly would cause people to become desensitised. In this case I think it has the opposite effect. Seeing the videos and having the experts give a description of what they assess is happening makes it even more horrific IMO.

 

[BeachSky]

I just have to say I love that comb over. I can't not shake my head when I'm watching him testify.

I see your comb over and raise you this
Bless this person..for he-is-heck-bent on calling out this murderous person.
I love a person who stands his moral ground.

MOO

 

[CrimeAway]

Yes, of course it's very dangerous to take any illicit substances. And yes, there is no way to know how much fentanyl is in one particular pill. I'm just pointing out that there is no way to prove, based on the amount found in urine or blood, how much he ingested during the arrest. The amount of fentanyl found in his system is comparable to a therapeutic dose, which would be very dangerous for someone who has no tolerance for opioids. And yes, the norfentanyl would definitely reflect earlier use, since it takes some time to break down. Imo

I thought that the therapeutic level of fentanyl was 1-2 ng/ml for analgesia (pain control)?
The higher levels used for anesthesia, would be in the controlled setting of an OR, with an artificial airway secured (ET tube or similar), the use of a ventilator, and all under the supervision of an anesthesiologist, or other highly trained nurse anesthesia specialist IMO.

Fentanyl drug profile | www.emcdda.europa.eu

https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...FjAEegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2o4d3FvWY9Az1sBzW-h9_G

ETA: The autopsy report stated that Mr Floyd had a level of 11 ng/ml fentanyl in his blood IIRC.

 

[ACE422]

It’s horrible. There was concern in the first couple of days that showing the videos repeatedly would cause people to become desensitised. In this case I think it has the opposite effect. Seeing the videos and having the experts give a description of what they assess is happening makes it even more horrific IMO.

I agree, the descriptions make it even more disturbing . I wouldn’t be surprised if some jurors have trouble sleeping at night and I am sure some witnesses to the incident have varying degrees of PTSD.

 

[SouthAussie]

When asked what Smock teaches students about inferences that can be drawn from bruising, or its absence, he says: “You can be fatally strangled, die of asphyxia, and have no bruising.”

“The presence or absence of a bruise on a human body is dependent on multiple...variables.”

Smock says a person could fatally strangle another person without leaving a bruise, by using biceps and forearms on both sides of the victim’s neck, for example.

“The reason is, you’re applying a broad surface area to a broad surface area.”

When asked by prosecutors when Floyd should have received CPR, he says: “Way before it was” administered, “as soon as Mr Floyd was unconscious.”

Chauvin trial told ‘a healthy person would have died’ under same circumstances as George Floyd – live

 

[SouthAussie]

This excited delirium explanation is interesting to me. Did anyone catch where these criteria came from? Is it a standard checklist?

I have read a few articles about excited delirium and George (have posted some further back in the threads) and everyone seems to agree that George was not exhibiting signs of excited delirium.

"Smock is testifying that Floyd was not in a state of “excited delirium,” saying he did not have key symptoms."

Also ... "The term is not recognized by the World Health Organization, the American Psychiatric Association or the American Medical Association."

Chauvin trial told ‘a healthy person would have died’ under same circumstances as George Floyd – live

 

[kaen]

I don’t know how any family members could possibly handle watching this trial. It’s one thing to be able to avoid looking at the videos- but to hear him cry out repeatedly, begging for his life and hear his final moments over and over and over again- I couldn’t do it.

I think the doctor today (with his precision description of how Mr. Floyd was trying to survive and get breath) would have been the worst for me if I was his loved one. It is one thing to watch that video and not do it segment by segment or frame by frame. At one point, I think Nelson had to realize that there was no getting the doctor off game.

BTW, I love the way he testified without being a paid witness. To have a man who is so esteemed put in the hours and deconstruct this murder is truly a labor of love to get justice for Mr. Floyd. I appreciate his doing this.

 

[sds71]

Court is adjourned until 9:15 tomorrow morning