MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #8 - Chauvin Trial Day 5

[Tippy Lynn]

Civil rights attorney identifies man in fatal Minneapolis incident; FBI, BCA investigation underway

'Completely And Utterly Messed Up': Video Of Fatal Arrest Shows MPD Officer Kneeling On Man's Neck For At Least 7 Minutes


MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION

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Thread #4 - Chauvin Opening Statements and Trial Day 1
Thread #5 - Chauvin Trial Day 2
Thread #6 - Chauvin Trial Day 3
Thread #7 - Chauvin Trial Day 4

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is to discuss the case of George Floyd. It is not a thread to discuss racism in general.

Unless your post relates to this case specifically, it is off topic and will be removed.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Please stay on topic by discussing the trial without introducing the peripheral matters of riots and protests, BLM, all the extraneous chatter about racial inequities and other social justice issues.

We acknowledge, we understand how critical this trial is in relation to those issues, but we need to stay focused on this case and the trial itself. Yes there is overlap with those important issues, but the thread is specifically dedicated to discussing the George Floyd case and the Derek Chauvin trial and not all those other matters.

If members wish to generally speculate on how such issues may have influenced either the victim or the accused, that's fine, but please don't bring in specifics related to all those other matters and derail the thread with social justice issues that will not be resolved in this discussion.

Thanks !!

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

To say simply that GF possibly had fear as a black man was left as reasonable speculation that doesn't warrant dissecting it any further. IF GF had that fear, surely we can all understand where it may have originated.

Quite a few posts had to be removed due to general back and forth bickering. There is no way to edit that many posts and be able to retain context so a lot of responses got removed in the process.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Members have been previously advised not to trash the witnesses. They are not there for our enjoyment or entertainment and there is no need to publicly disparage them or belittle them.

Keep it classy folks !!

Thank you.

 

[Niner]

Friday, April 2nd:
*Trial continues (Day 5) (@ 9am for motions; trial @ 9:15am CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/now 45) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 30 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:28pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed on 10/22/20 & reinstated on 3/11/21) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M with conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
Trial began on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection ran through March 23, 2021. Trial with opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case began on March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks. Jurors: 12 & 2 alternates (9 women & 5 men). Jurors will be sequestered during deliberations. None of the other officers will be testifying at Chauvin’s trial.
Jurors’ info reference post #6 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #4 - Chauvin Trial Day 1
Bond conditions & court info 12/19/20 thru 3/23/21 & jury selection (3/9 thru 3/23) & Day 1 to 3 of Trial (3/29 to 3/31/21) reference post #6 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #7 - Chauvin Trial Day 4
4/1/21 Thursday Trial Day 4: Each morning of the trial the judge has set aside 9am CT/10am ET for any motions/issues with attorneys. No motions this morning. Judge: We are ahead of schedule and will take tomorrow afternoon. Out about 12:30pm.
State witnesses: Frank on direct: 13) Courtney Ross, girlfriend of Floyd's at the time of his death. Met while Floyd worked as a security guard at the Salvation Army about 3 yrs ago. Cross by Nelson. And re-direct. Eldridge on direct: 14) Seth Bravinder, paramedic. Showed 2 clips: first from Lane’s body cam & second from a witness video moving Floyd into ambulance. Showed pix of Lucas device on Floyd. Exhibit #63 Lucas device. Exhibit #67 of paramedics & firefighters moving Floyd at the hospital. Cross by Nelson. Re-direct. 15) Derek Smith, paramedic. Cross by Nelson & re-direct. 16) Jeremy Norton, Fire Captain w/MN Fire dept. Ex. #58 shown of fire truck on scene & Captain stepped out. Cross by Nelson. And re-direct. Schleicher on direct: 17) Sgt. David Pleoger, supervisor for whole precinct & Chauvin’s police supervisor. He is who the 911 dispatcher called. Cross by Nelson. At this point Judge excused the jurors. Voir dire of “use of force” & jurors back in & re-direct. Exhibits used today reference post #578 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #7 - Chauvin Trial Day 4. They'll resume at 9:15 am tomorrow. Trial continues on 4/2/21 & will recess about 12:30pm for the weekend.
*Charged (7/22/20) with 6 counts of aiding & abetting taxes-false or fraudulent returns-filed with commissioner & 3 counts aiding & abetting taxes-failure to file return, report, document. – Omnibus hearing on 6/30/21.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Testimony continuing Friday in State vs. Chauvin trial

Friday, Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo could take the stand. During a news conference Thursday, Arradondo was asked about the trial and said he hasn't watched it because he will be testifying.

Court is scheduled to resume shortly after 9 a.m.

Derek Chauvin trial: Jurors hear from Floyd's girlfriend, EMTs | kare11.com

Judge Peter Cahill told jurors Thursday morning that he will give them Friday afternoon off because testimony is going more quickly than expected. It's unclear whether he and the attorneys will still handle legal issues via livestream during that time.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Today will be a 1/2 day per Judge. Targeting to end day at 12:30. (No holiday for Good Friday in court, so perhaps a nod by judge who is saying we are on schedule?)

When I watched the different videos, I never saw him banging his head against the glass, nor did I ever see blood at his mouth in any video. I don't believe that I heard the EMT's discuss blood.. did I miss such?

I wish that we had someone on this thread who did clean up on audios to get rid of extraneous noises as I wanted to hear specifics on the body cams and often could not make it out clearly.

So far, witnesses have been

Day 1​

Opening Statements
1) 911 Dispatcher Jena Scurry (not to be confused with 911 call taker)
2) Speedway gas station cashier All*sha Oy*er
3) MMA guy D*nald W*lliams (prosecution only today)

Day 2​

3) witness - From Yesterday, defense follow up etc with MMA guy D*nald W*lliams - he called 911
4) witness - Darn**la - was minor at the time and now 18 - she did the "viral video" that the world has seen and had little cousin with her in green shirt
5) witness - Little cousin in green (not posting any info here at WS... due to minor)
6) witness - Aly*** who was wearing white shirt and blue jeans in group shot.. knows witness #4 from school and knows another person there she drove there with ( young female K**lyn at scene with large bag on shoulder who has not yet testified. ) She drove up after FG was on ground -took 3 videos.
7) witness - K**lyn (?sp) Arrived with #6 witness. Minor, 17 year old. Friend of #6 Aly***. She circled her photo of standing on the curb.. had large beige bag on shoulder next to MMA guy.
8) witness - 27 yo Lady firefighter/EMT who was in all black with white headband that day, with CPR training (wearing uniform in court) from Minneapolis who was on a walk who took video and did 911 call. She was 7th person to arrive on the curb with others watching . The judge chewed her out at the end of today for "arguing with the court" and arguing with attorneys.

Day 3​

8) Genev*eve Hansen cont'd - Firefighter/EMT (defense questions)
9) Christopher Mart*n 19 y/o who worked in CUP FOOD store and accepted the $20 bill.
10) Christopher B*lrey 45 y/o who pulled up behind GF's car, filmed a little then left the scene
11) Charles Mcmi*lian 61 y/o who was first on scene when at CUP food wearing black shirt with white square emblem - "You can't win"
12) Lt. James Rugel with IT responsibility for body and street cams.

Day 4​

13) Courtn*y Ross GF girlfriend since 2017
14) Seth Zach*ry Bravinder - Ambulance/EMS driver
15) Eerek Smith - Ambulance/EMS who did pulse and compressions
16) Jeremy Norton - Captain/EMT at firestation #17 who responded to scene/2nd scene
17) David Pleoger - MPD Sgt. who took call from dispatcher complaint, went to scene, went hospital, back to scene.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

USA Today - Derek Chauvin trial live: George Floyd restraint 'could've ended': Cop

CBS This Morning - Derek Chauvin's ex-boss says he should've removed knee after George Floyd was not resisting

ETA: Edited out CNN opinion piece



Yesterday, LE spoke to that Chauvin should have stopped restraints when not resisting. If and when is it going to be testified to that protocol or ??? put him in an OBLIGATION to render care by law/standards/protocol?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

For those that want to queue up today's YouTube / Washington Post for when it starts, here is today's link. (Click on title where it says "Live on April 2nd" to make it open in a new tab vs. viewing within the WS thread)

They say they will start at 9:30, but often they have been early, especially with motions.

ETA: 9:30 am WaPo staff are live doing a review of the past few days, and what to expect today.

 

[turaj]

I am assuming that Steve Schleicher will be handling the questioning of witnesses like Chief Arradondo etc. I found Erin Eldridge confusing (as did the witnesses) and her points (If any) are completely lost. I don't find her effective...comment of course based on no professional experience...just my impression. Also not easy to listen to.

 

[Bravo]

IMO he never should have had his knee on his neck to begin with. Common sense it could have dire consequences. So many other options to deal with this right from the start. Chauvin and others simply chose not to. Over a 20.00 bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I'm *bumping* this as for many here, our opinion moves from one charge to another daily. As a reference, I'm bumping for convenience.

POTENTIAL CHARGE GUIDELINES


609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings.
Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or

(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, paragraph (a), clause (3).

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.
Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

(2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

(3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

(4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

(5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.

Article discussing charges at VERIFY: Derek Chauvin faces three charges in George Floyd's death | kare11.com

 

[shotgun09]

I am assuming that Steve Schleicher will be handling the questioning of witnesses like Chief Arradondo etc. I found Erin Eldridge confusing (as did the witnesses) and her points (If any) are completely lost. I don't find her effective...comment of course based on no professional experience...just my impression. Also not easy to listen to.

I agree! The contrast between those two is like watching Fred Astaire( Schleicher)gently gliding and stepping his way towards the desired answer he wants from the witnesses, while Erin Eldridge is similar to watching 'Elaine Benis' from Seinfeld's hurky-jerky dance!! The witnesses usually have a confused look on their faces, while asking over and over, " could you repeat or rephrase that please?"

 

[Katerz]

Good morning! Coffee to all.

 

[branmuffin]

I am assuming that Steve Schleicher will be handling the questioning of witnesses like Chief Arradondo etc. I found Erin Eldridge confusing (as did the witnesses) and her points (If any) are completely lost. I don't find her effective...comment of course based on no professional experience...just my impression. Also not easy to listen to.

Was she wearing an ear piece yesterday? She seemed to be fussing with her hair near her ear.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I am assuming that Steve Schleicher will be handling the questioning of witnesses like Chief Arradondo etc. I found Erin Eldridge confusing (as did the witnesses) and her points (If any) are completely lost. I don't find her effective...comment of course based on no professional experience...just my impression. Also not easy to listen to.

I hadn't kept track of that. I know from many BIG complex cases that certain trials I've seen have different prosecutors who specialize in different areas do such. e.g. some prosecutors really understand IT/phone records, some really understand and do the medical questioning, and some really understand the law etc etc.

I forget which ones she did, but perhaps they have grouped responsibilities of which lawyers questions/reviews/preps in this way?

 

[Bravo]

Was she wearing an ear piece yesterday? She seemed to be fussing with her hair near her ear.

I had not noticed myself. I was painting and simply listening to trial.

 

[bluebird69]

Does it sound reasonable to assign two newly qualified officers to go out on patrol together? In my opinion it would make more sense for one of the two to have had a bit more experience.

 

[Bravo]

Does it sound reasonable to assign two newly qualified officers to go out on patrol together? In my opinion it would make more sense for one of the two to have had a bit more experience.

Agree