GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

[turaj]

oh wow Judge had to stop him ....this is really bad for Mr. Nelson...Judge had no choice.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

going to give jury half hour break... lol

maybe sleepy juror fell asleep!

So far that hasn't mattered much JMO

 

[sorrell skye]

The intent is in regards to use of force. The easiest way to understand it is - Did DC intentionally use unlawful force that caused the death of GF. IF yes, then that is 2nd degree murder.
If you believe the force was accidental, even if unlawful then 2nd degree murder charge is off the table.

Yes - and the State has proven that the intentional unlawful use of force was not accidental. Derek Chauvin did not press his knees to George Floyd's neck and back unintentionally for 9 minutes 29 seconds.
Therefore, DC intentionally applied unlawful use of force (assault) against George Floyd, resulting in George Floyd's death.

IMO, Derek Chauvin is guilty of Murder in the 2nd degree.

 

[MTW2011]

Does anyone else think Chauvin removing his mask for the Defense closing was suggested by Nelson to try and appear more human? It's interesting. I don't personally like it but I understand it,as we all know every little thing a defendant does is dissected and analyzed by media and public....and the jury. I wonder if it was his choice or Nelson suggested it, or both. The masks at least helped hide some facial expressions, I can't imagine having to endure a similiar situation, keeping composure, accused of serious crimes, not making any facial emotions and staying silent in front of a jury who's deciding your fate.

 

[BUF]

Does anyone else think Chauvin removing his mask for the Defense closing was suggested by Nelson to try and appear more human? It's interesting because as we all know every little thing a defendant does is dissected and analyzed by media and public....and the jury. I wonder if it was his choice or Nelson suggested it, or both.

If it was, it didn’t work!

 

[missy1974]

Thirty minutes for lunch...interrupting Nelson. That loses whatever momentum Nelson had.

It could work to his benefit.. if they were losing interest, they will be more attentive when they come back.

I figured Blackwell would maybe get that lunch break to do his rebuttal, I'm sure he will get a small break... but not as long now.

 

[Tom_Servo]

Who cares what Nelson brings up? It's his prerogative to raise anything he wants. The state can refute his claims. That's part of the process. <modsnip>

 

[Inthedetails]

Does anyone else think Chauvin removing his mask for the Defense closing was suggested by Nelson to try and appear more human? It's interesting because as we all know every little thing a defendant does is dissected and analyzed by media and public....and the jury. I wonder if it was his choice or Nelson suggested it, or both.

Yes, I think removing the mask was to help the jury remember the defendant is a real person. I think it was the right move, but I have to say, he doesn't have the countenance that is easy to warm to. He has a hard look.

jmo

 

[missy1974]

The talking heads I'm listening to... think it's a good thing for Nelson that the judge took a break...

 

[margarita25]

(Hi, just getting in and bumping live feed)

 

[kittythehare]

Does anyone else think Chauvin removing his mask for the Defense closing was suggested by Nelson to try and appear more human? It's interesting. I don't personally like it but I understand it,as we all know every little thing a defendant does is dissected and analyzed by media and public....and the jury. I wonder if it was his choice or Nelson suggested it, or both. The masks at least helped hide some facial expressions, I can't imagine having to endure a similiar situation, keeping composure, accused of serious crimes, not making any facial emotions and staying silent in front of a jury who's deciding your fate.

He wouldn't remove it for the prosecution though.
So entitled.

 

[missy1974]

Yes, I think removing the mask was to help the jury remember the defendant is a real person. I think it was the right move, but I have to say, he doesn't have the countenance that is easy to warm to. He has a hard look.

jmo

He has what I call 'resting b**** face'

You know... that one person that could be the nicest, kindest person in the world, but has a resting facial expression that makes them seem unapproachable.
JMO

 

[Katerz]

He has what I call 'resting b**** face'

You know... that one person that could be the nicest, kindest person in the world, but has a resting facial expression that makes them seem unapproachable.
JMO

Me lol

 

[Niner]

Has anyone kept track of how long Nelson has been talking? Omg, I don’t think he’ll ever stop. I know he’s trying to do the best job he can for his client, but IMO he’d be more effective making succinct points.

Yes I am - that is why I'm up so late....

So far - 2 hours & 30 minutes.... before lunch happened.

But I'm going to sleep here - I'll catch up tomorrow for the rest of Nelson's closing & Blackwell's rebuttal -

@dixiegirl1035 - if you can tag me on the links (video) of these when you post them - it would be much appreciated!

 

[Katerz]

We will never again have to listen to Nelson.
Getting a coffee to celebrate that one fact.
Banana, though.

So the judge completely cut off the rest of his closing argument??

 

[Rhozwen]

Clearly the force is completely INTENTIONAL but I think Chauvin in his depraved state thinks to this day it was reasonable.

I agree. The defense's argument against that intentional use of unlawful force is that it wasn't unlawful and that it was reasonable based on the scary crowd, GF's size, and that he was thought to be high on drugs. Even if all those were true, he had an obligation, professionally, morally and ethically to protect the life of someone he is in charge of.
I believe all the documented evidence proves otherwise, so the defense has no case. But that is my opinion.

 

[geevee]

Hi geevee!!!! I disagree ... I am as attentive now as I was at 9am this morning, I hope the jury is too. I do hope they give them a lunch break before Blackwell's rebuttal though.

Hiya Missy! I think he was reading the weariness in the jury every time he'd say he'd be brief with his next comments, but he just kept on rolling regardless. I'm so glad the judge finally stepped in and called lunch.

 

[kittythehare]

So the judge completely cut off the rest of his closing argument??

We can hope, can't we?

 

[CrimeAway]

But it was still a very small amount of meth..

True, but even in the case of legally prescribed methamphetamine, amphetamine, pre-existing hypertension etc., would be a contraindication IMO. I do not believe most physicians would feel comfortable prescribing these drugs if there were concerns of high blood pressure, atherosclerosis, etc. I think that even in young, healthy adults, many Drs would want to do an EKG, and possibly a cardiologist referral first. JMO.

Amphetamine - Wikipedia

Methamphetamine - Wikipedia

 

[CrimeAway]

So far that hasn't mattered much JMO

Coffee or 5-hour Energy for the jurors??