GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

[Inthedetails]

So the judge completely cut off the rest of his closing argument??

There is only so long people can sit without moving, using the restroom, etc. Impossible to pay attention if your bladder is bursting, for example.

jmo

 

[missy1974]

Me lol

haha My daughter's gf is like that... known her since she was 15 and she is now 29.. still has that 'look'

But that look is deceptive, because she far from her 'look'.

 

[CrimeAway]

@Niner, how many hours ahead of you (from GMT)?

 

[Weki]

Nelson was long and tedious but he’s hitting all the points for his reasonable doubt argument. Again, he just needs ONE!

A.L. Brown on KARE nailed it again with his feedback on Nelson. Not sure if anyone is watching on their stream! I’m loving Brown - candid and to the point. Even the anchors get excited talking to him.

Blackwell has to come in and surgically cut through some of the static that Nelson has built up! All Nelson is doing is muddying the waters! He’s likable and effective so I can imagine a couple jurors will be shaken up!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

going to give jury half hour break... lol

maybe sleepy juror fell asleep!

Doesn't seem like it. I'm watching it live on CBS. A reporter in the court said they were very engaged, and attentive taking lots of notes in defense case.

Took notes in prosecution case at times too.

Jmho

 

[missy1974]

There is only so long people can sit without moving, using the restroom, etc. Impossible to pay attention if your bladder is bursting, for example.

jmo

I was able to turn my TV up and go pee lol I don't know if I could have sat that long without putting my hand up asking for a potty break... one more reason I will never be on a jury haha

 

[sds71]

@hollybdc
A pool reporter inside the courtroom today says jurors began to look "antsy—several rubbing eyes and fidgeting” as Nelson’s closing argument hit the two hour mark

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I predict that the state's rebuttal will be short, the jury will get the case, deliberations will not take very long and they will come back with guilty on all charges. JMO

 

[tara83]

I predict that the state's rebuttal will be short, the jury will get the case, deliberations will not take very long and they will come back with guilty on all charges. JMO

I sure hope so.George Floyd didn't deserve to die the way he did and deserves justice.

 

[missy1974]

Doesn't seem like it. I'm watching it live on CBS. A reporter in the court said they were very engaged, and attentive taking lots of notes in defense case.

Took notes in prosecution case at times too.

Jmho

oh thanks for that! I'm trying to mulittask and get things done before they come back so haven't seen anything about the jurors yet.

maybe the juror's were still being attentive but the judge needed to pee? lol

 

[BUF]

@hollybdc
A pool reporter inside the courtroom today says jurors began to look "antsy—several rubbing eyes and fidgeting” as Nelson’s closing argument hit the two hour mark

....and he went 30 minutes past two hours

 

[Inthedetails]

Doesn't seem like it. I'm watching it live on CBS. A reporter in the court said they were very engaged, and attentive taking lots of notes in defense case.

Took notes in prosecution case at times too.

Jmho

I trust this jury and that are paying attention. No doubt they feel the responsibility of their decisions and want to be prepared to make the right verdict. I really do trust them to be paying attention. They have committed to fulfilling their role.

jmo

 

[kittythehare]

@hollybdc
A pool reporter inside the courtroom today says jurors began to look "antsy—several rubbing eyes and fidgeting” as Nelson’s closing argument hit the two hour mark

At least they weren't cussing and swearing and throwing things. I would have.

 

[Inthedetails]

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While we're on break, this might be of interest:

The Do's and Don'ts of Closing Arguments - Law Firm Klein & Wilson

 

[Tom_Servo]

Mason from CourtTV..."Like the C Anthony trial there has been plenty of bias and prejudice. Too much doubt, too much evidence against state, too many contradictory opinions."

Even he thinks Nelson went on too long. Nelson should have timed his closing IMHO. He should know how long he can keep jurors attention. Maybe he does and this is fine but to my inexperienced eyes and attention span he's taking too long.

I think the break might help him though. He gets a fresh jury and can recap in a timely manor. It also helps the state prepare for whatever rebuttal they have. Could be a win for both sides.

 

[tara83]

Mason from CourtTV..."Like the C Anthony trial there has been plenty of bias and prejudice. Too much doubt, too much evidence against state, too many contradictory opinions."

Even he thinks Nelson went on too long. Nelson should have timed his closing IMHO. He should know how long he can keep jurors attention. Maybe he does and this is fine but to my inexperienced eyes and attention span he's taking too long.

I think the break might help him though. He gets a fresh jury and can recap in a timely manor. It also helps the state prepare for whatever rebuttal they have. Could be a win for both sides.

Unlike with Casey Anthony we have the murder caught on tape here.

 

[Weki]

Do you have a link?

and yes... Nelson needs to create doubt for one element.. the force or the cause of death. The State has to prove both beyond a reasonable doubt.

Here it is: I like the anchors, great commentary from various experts and you get local insight.

 

[kittythehare]

While we're on break, this might be of interest:

The Do's and Don'ts of Closing Arguments - Law Firm Klein & Wilson

I'd like to read that but I've entered a state of paralysed catatonia following banana.

 

[Bravo]

outdoors or Nelson's? Good to see you Bravo

LOL both. Good to see you too. It's been awhile since we have bumped in to each other. Be well and be safe.

 

[sorrell skye]

Getting back to “intent” here is Nelson’s argument...it can’t be an intentional use of force because Chauvin knew he was being videotaped. Huh?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/19/derek-chauvin-trial/
Nelson asked the jury to consider the question of “intent” — and whether they could say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Chauvin intended to do what he did.

“The defendant must have knowledge of those facts that are necessary to make his conduct criminal,” Nelson said.

“Did Officer Chauvin intentionally apply unlawful force? That’s what you’re being asked to decide. Did he purposefully, purposefully apply unlawful force to another person?”

“Did he intentionally perform an act that was eminently dangerous?” he continued.

Nelson said that Chauvin is unlikely to have done these things intentionally because he was being videotaped.

“Officers know that they are being videotaped. Do you do something purposefully that you know is an unlawful use of force when you have four body-worn cameras immediately in the area? Where you have multiple civilians videotaping you? Where you know your actions are being reviewed through a city-owned camera? Where there are surveillance cameras?” he said.

BBM

The elements pertaining to each charge don't include anything about a Defendant having knowledge about being video-taped.

This is a big fat red herring the Defense is deploying in order to try to distract the jurors from the facts of the case and from the elements pertaining to each charge.