MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[ar3593]

What is the delay in arresting the rest of the officers who witnessed a murder and failed to stop it? It makes no sense. They should’ve arrested them all the very first day. MOO

Everyone needs to read that article posted by Mandos and the comments below the article...very interesting and it explains a lot of the questions we have. Discusses the importance of carefully choosing the charges based upon what you think you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. You may not like the answers, I wasn't too thrilled! Minnesota laws leave a lot of "gray area".

 

[SleuthBee]

Aiding and abetting requires two mental states. First, a person must know that someone is going to commit a crime. Second, the person must intend any actions to further that crime. So in this case, not only do they need to prove that these three other officers knew Chauvin was murdering Floyd, but also that their actions were with the intent to help Chauvin murder Floyd. Take note that these guys are charged with aiding and abetting an unintentional second degree murder though. Having mulled over the article I linked and after browsing some Minnesota statutes, I think the required intent for aiding and abetting second degree murder is going to be very difficult to prove against these guys.

I think that describes Thao's role completely. When the clerk from the store tried to help, Thao push him back.

 

[ar3593]

Thinking this over, I'm still PO'd he didn't get 1st degree. LEO knew George didn't have a pulse and CPR could have saved him.

While I wish Chauvin would get 1st degree murder charge, it has to be premeditated.

 

[SleuthBee]

While I wish Chauvin would get 1st degree murder charge, it has to be premeditated.

Does it matter that Chauvin pulled him out of car? It sure appears that Chauvin had it out for him as soon as he arrived at the scene. Maybe they will uncover something connected to their shared employment as security guards.

 

[ar3593]

Does it matter that Chauvin pulled him out of car? It sure appears that Chauvin had it out for him as soon as he arrived at the scene. Maybe they will uncover something connected to their shared employment as security guards.

One never knows..I am certain we will learn more and more.

 

[SleuthBee]

Finally!!

UPDATE: AG Ellison announces charges against 3 former officers involved in George Floyd death, additional charge against Chauvin

 

[mickey2942]

So, if this goes to trial, they will probably chose a bench trial, with just a judge. Same as the officers charged with Freddie Gray's death.

Of course, one difference in the Freddie Gray case, is that half of the officers were black.

The officers all got off. Which made sense, because there was no clear evidence of which officer actually "killed" Mr. Gray. And there was the testimony of the other prisoner, who talked about how Freddie contributed to his own story.

 

[kaen]

@kaen , Police officers are required to be certified in BLS and retrained every other year. The pulse must be checked at the carotid artery. I watched the video again and did not see anyone check a pulse. The didn't even open his airway. His wrists were in cuffs behind his back.

GF was already in the car, so why did Chauvin pull him out?

The first call for EMS was for bleeding in the mouth and a code 2 (no lights & sirens). Then soon after he calls back real quick to say code 3. I think that officer realized it was a bad scene, and that was the best he felt he could do to help GF. He may be the officer that was new.

I couldn't tell if it was Chauvin taunting GF to get in the car. Describing Chauvin as depraved is kind.

No argument from me on anything you wrote. They did nothing that they had been trained to do in dealing with Mr. Floyd once he was on the ground in a prone position with his hands cuffed.

When I first posted the FD/EMS logs (in thread 1), the code 2 and code 3 jumped right out at me. The lies told to the dispatch about his condition. When the EMTs should up, it was clear they were dealing with a dead/dying man as evidenced by the way they scooped and ran with him.

I believe that Mr. Floyd was not "sitting" in the car. I think he was probably more like writhing in discomfort--moving back and forth, unable to be grounded or comforted. He should have been assessed for his need of medical attention by someone other than these four criminals who couldn't be bothered to use their training. In one report he is said to have been saying that he was having trouble breathing. He had already told them he was claustrophic. He was also altered by the drugs in his system. Last but not least, he was 6 feet 6 inches tall-- most people that height would be incredibly uncomfortable in the back of an SUV, let alone in the back with your hands cuffed behind your back.

I won't write any of their names just as I don't in other threads I participate in. They don't deserve to have the courtesy of a name as they are monsters to me. I have no kindness in me for any one of them, not even for the one who looks like he is on the verge of a breakdown in the mugshots.

 

[kaen]

So, if this goes to trial, they will probably chose a bench trial, with just a judge. Same as the officers charged with Freddie Gray's death.

Of course, one difference in the Freddie Gray case, is that half of the officers were black.

The officers all got off. Which made sense, because there was no clear evidence of which officer actually "killed" Mr. Gray. And there was the testimony of the other prisoner, who talked about how Freddie contributed to his own story.

I have seen the posts where legal minds have posited about the difficulty of getting a conviction. While there is probably some truth to their positions, this is the first case that has a video with 8 plus minutes and body cam conversations and reasonable people who id themselves as former Firefighters saying he stopped breathing, check his pulse, etc. I don't think that they will get off.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I am extremely confused about a few facts in this case so far. I can't seem to find out exactly who called the police and why.

 

[mickey2942]

@kaen isn't it interesting that when bullies get taken down, they are blubbering babies?!

The bullies could have saved themselves a lot of grief, if they had just not been such jerks.

No sympathy here. They were not acting like professionals. Just thugs.

 

[zencompass]

https://coms.doc.state.mn.us/publicviewer/OffenderDetails/Index/261557/Search
Offender Information


Demographic Information**
MNDOC Offender ID:
261557
Name:
Derek Michael Chauvin
Birth Date:
03/19/1976
Current Status:
Incarcerated as of 05/31/2020. Currently at [URL='https://mn.gov/doc/facilities/oak-park-heights/']MCF Oak Park Heights.
Anticipated Release Date:
Being held for sentencing - Contact [email protected] for more information.
Caseworker:
Nikki Fossey 651-779-1400
Current Offense Information
Highest Ranked Offense:
Not Available ()
Court File Number(s):
Hennepin - 27-CR-20-12646
Other Links
Go to MN Courts website to look up court case information (opens in a new window).

Go to BCA website to look up criminal history information (opens in a new window).
[/URL]

 

[Gardenista]

While I wish Chauvin would get 1st degree murder charge, it has to be premeditated.

He knew he didn't have a pulse.

 

[kaen]

I am extremely confused about a few facts in this case so far. I can't seem to find out exactly who called the police and why.

Here is a great resource and will tell you all you need. 8 Minutes and 46 Seconds: How George Floyd Was Killed in Police Custody

 

[Gardenista]

Read the aiding-and-abetting-murder charges against 3 fired Minneapolis police officers

 

[mickey2942]

Interesting, no bail. Even Noor was eligible for bail.

 

[Jax49]

Interesting, no bail. Even Noor was eligible for bail.

I'm confused. I thought it was upped to 1 million?

 

[mickey2942]

I'm confused. I thought it was upped to 1 million?

I wasn't sure, but if it is only 1 million, he needs to get $100,000 cash. (?) He has a home in FL. That could probably be put up.

Maybe he thinks that he is safer in prison.

 

[Gardenista]

I think the guy who wanted to roll George on his side might get a lighter sentence than the others.

Also, I wonder if the drugs that were in George's system were prescribed for medical reasons since his roommate said he was not a druggie.

 

[Jax49]

I wasn't sure, but if it is only 1 million, he needs to get $100,000 cash. (?) He has a home in FL. That could probably be put up.

Maybe he thinks that he is safer in prison.

Yes, it normally is 10 percent to the bonding agent. (Money that isn't returned).

Probably safer in custody, but I bet he doesn't agree. Plus his wife has started divorce proceedings, which complicates money issues. moo