MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[LadyL]

His one facial expression when he looks at the phone seems to me that he knew what he was doing was wrong.

Jmo.

Chauvin looks at a phone?

 

[sds71]

Judge: $750K bail for 3 ex-officers accused in Floyd's death

 

[iluvmua]

Chauvin looks at a phone?

Yes

 

[LadyL]

Yes

like at what point in the video? maybe I haven't see the full version

 

[CrimeDawg123]

https://twitter.com/RobOlsonFOX9/status/1268614532924157952

Oh my goodness, 4 days into the job...

 

[SleuthBee]

Who knows? Perhaps there is history between them that we do not yet know. Just a few thoughts. JMO

I've given that some thought to explain Chauvin's actions. After the officers struggled to get GF into the back of the squad car, Chauvin arrives, heads directly to open the door and pulls him back out (???) Huh?

I think Chauvin learned it was GF when he was radioed for backup. His demeanor appeared sadistic and .... kinda personal (?)

 

[ilovewings]

Derek Chauvin’s Actions Were Cruel. But a Conviction Won’t Come Easily.

Good synopsis of why it is so difficult to convict
police officers of murder--- it wont be pretty when
the defense trashes Mr Floyd

 

[Keefer]

I've given that some thought to explain Chauvin's actions. After the officers struggled to get GF into the back of the squad car, Chauvin arrives, heads directly to open the door and pulls him back out (???) Huh?

I think Chauvin learned it was GF when he was radioed for backup. His demeanor appeared sadistic and .... kinda personal (?)

I alluded to this earlier and the possibility that Mr. Floyd was going to be placed n Chauvin’s car and thus his “care.”
I do not see any good reason to take someone already cuffed from one car to another. Perhaps, Mr. Floyd began struggling to stay in the car because he feared Chauvin?

 

[Cubby]

Inspection

He's not a good liar, nor is he a good bs'r.

 

[LadyL]

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https://twitter.com/RobOlsonFOX9/status/1268614532924157952

Oh my goodness, 4 days into the job...

oh crap

 

[SleuthBee]

I want to raise an issue that may be pertinent in all discussions of police brutality.

Point prevalence of depression varies from one study to another (approximately 13% in many), but whatever it is, I have no reason to believe it is less in the police or the army.

Yet current attitude to diagnosing and treating mental illness in active duty cops and the military system is exceptionally restrictive.

What happens is, we give these people guns, train them, basically, give them license to protect the society, and effectively prevent them from any treatment of the same mental issues that we, civilians, take care of.

I think the problem in the police is not their (equal, I can bet, to any other societal stratum) rate of mental illness. I think it is the prevalence of untreated mental illness among them.

Looking at Chauvin, I can only guess what he has. My guess would be, alcohol abuse and possibly.
thyroid issues. But maybe something else caused his impaired judgment? Because morals aside, what idiot would be standing on the apprehended person’s neck, in full public view, for nine minutes, despite all witnesses taking videos?

Tao, who obviously enjoyed beating up arrested subjects.., what does it tell you?

And then, Kueng, am I not mistaken that he was the second one standing of Mr. Floyd?

Is it only their cruelty, or our restrictive policy, essentially, prohibiting police from seeking mental help that ends up in high indices of police brutality?

If we just view them as four rotten apples, it is bound to repeat again.

@Charlot123, this is a good point. IIRC, Chauvin was subject to 18 formal complaints with none resulting in disciplinary action. There is no mention of informal complaints or his evaluations.

Police officers have the benefit of retirement after 20 years because a study determined that their life expectancy could be lower due to the stress of their job. Difficulty coping leads to mental health issues, alcohol, substance abuse and divorce.

Superior officers are well equipped to recognize the signs of an officer in distress. It is their responsibility to take proactive measures to assist the officer, and handle it confidentially.

I believe your post touches the issues at the heart of this matter.

IMOO, officer Lane's attempts to assist GF were mute. Chauvin called the shots, he was fearless and didn't even break a sweat at the sight of a video camera.

There are many signs of systemic dysfunction and hopefully if will be discovered during the civil rights investigation.

 

[epiphany]

I've given that some thought to explain Chauvin's actions. After the officers struggled to get GF into the back of the squad car, Chauvin arrives, heads directly to open the door and pulls him back out (???) Huh?

I think Chauvin learned it was GF when he was radioed for backup. His demeanor appeared sadistic and .... kinda personal (?)

I totally agree. He appeared to be a man on a mission once he & his partner arrived - that being, to snuff his life out.

 

[iluvmua]

like at what point in the video? maybe I haven't see the full version

2:08 mark.

The full video is on YouTube.

The video say George floyd full video no commentary.

 

[SleuthBee]

No argument from me on anything you wrote. They did nothing that they had been trained to do in dealing with Mr. Floyd once he was on the ground in a prone position with his hands cuffed.

When I first posted the FD/EMS logs (in thread 1), the code 2 and code 3 jumped right out at me. The lies told to the dispatch about his condition. When the EMTs should up, it was clear they were dealing with a dead/dying man as evidenced by the way they scooped and ran with him.

I believe that Mr. Floyd was not "sitting" in the car. I think he was probably more like writhing in discomfort--moving back and forth, unable to be grounded or comforted. He should have been assessed for his need of medical attention by someone other than these four criminals who couldn't be bothered to use their training. In one report he is said to have been saying that he was having trouble breathing. He had already told them he was claustrophic. He was also altered by the drugs in his system. Last but not least, he was 6 feet 6 inches tall-- most people that height would be incredibly uncomfortable in the back of an SUV, let alone in the back with your hands cuffed behind your back.

I won't write any of their names just as I don't in other threads I participate in. They don't deserve to have the courtesy of a name as they are monsters to me. I have no kindness in me for any one of them, not even for the one who looks like he is on the verge of a breakdown in the mugshots.

@kaen your post gave me reason to review the video. In the event of an unresponsive patient, the pulse is checked at the carotid artery. When EMS arrived, they checked his pulse.

GF's autopsy reveals the seriousness of his distress. Not mentioned though, are the contributing factors of his emotional state. He was approached with a drawn gun, handcuffed to be arrested and sent to jail. I imagine he felt terrified and panicked, but was mistaken for being combative and resisting then mistreated accordingly. Chauvin and Thao are void of any form of human decency.

I couldn't find information on who called for EMS. I think it was officer Lane. It was only his 4th day on the job and he was trying to follow procedure. Who looks to be on the verge of a breakdown?

Regarding the EMS, they responded to the scene of a volatile situation. Ideally, CPR could have been started immediately. But it was to the patient's best interest to get him out of there. They made the call to put the patient's safety first. They know who the nasty cops are. And I won't be surprised to see this mentioned in their report.

And after EMS left, Chauvin walked away like a proud rooster. Well, he is not crowing now! I wonder if he was tested for Covid-19?

 

[kaen]

@kaen your post gave me reason to review the video. In the event of an unresponsive patient, the pulse is checked at the carotid artery. When EMS arrived, they checked his pulse.

GF's autopsy reveals the seriousness of his distress. Not mentioned though, are the contributing factors of his emotional state. He was approached with a drawn gun, handcuffed to be arrested and sent to jail. I imagine he felt terrified and panicked, but was mistaken for being combative and resisting then mistreated accordingly. Chauvin and Thao are void of any form of human decency.

I couldn't find information on who called for EMS. I think it was officer Lane. It was only his 4th day on the job and he was trying to follow procedure. Who looks to be on the verge of a breakdown?

Regarding the EMS, they responded to the scene of a volatile situation. Ideally, CPR could have been started immediately. But it was to the patient's best interest to get him out of there. They made the call to put the patient's safety first. They know who the nasty cops are. And I won't be surprised to see this mentioned in their report.

And after EMS left, Chauvin walked away like a proud rooster. Well, he is not crowing now! I wonder if he was tested for Covid-19?

Where was it reported that Lane was only on the job for four days? If so that is interesting as his partner has only been on the force about 2 years. (He does look like he is off in the mugshot. He is also the one that was recently married and his family reported that they had no idea where he was. He might be at risk for self-harm).

 

[Luna20]

Who were the women on the platform? The one with George’s brother and the woman who sat on the chair behind the podium.

 

[Chikkamma]

What to Know About Derek Chauvin, Minneapolis Police Officer Charged with George Floyd's Murder

Well this explains why the divorce filing was so quick.

 

[Jax49]

What to Know About Derek Chauvin, Minneapolis Police Officer Charged with George Floyd's Murder

Well this explains why the divorce filing was so quick.

Can you share? TIA

 

[mickey2942]

Can you share? TIA

It looks like the marriage was on the rocks anyway. And this just was the last straw. She filed for divorce, before he was terminated. That makes her eligible for half of his pension. Savvy.

 

[SleuthBee]

Under what situations is a pension forfeited? When fired? When convicted of a felony while on duty?

I'm wondering if he's lost his pension completely now.

Anyone know or have input? TIA

In a nutshell, when convicted of a felony while on duty. If not convicted, he lives knowing he was only months away from earning the 20 years benefit.

43:1-3.1 Forfeiture of pension, retirement benefit for conviction of certain crimes; definition, certain.

2013 New Jersey Revised Statutes :: Title 43 - PENSIONS AND RETIREMENT AND UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION :: Section 43:1-3.1 - Forfeiture of pension, retirement benefit for conviction of certain crimes; definition, certain.

Pensions