MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

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  • #661
Have we heard the audio from that part of the video?

The arrival of the first officers was captured by a security camera that did not have audio.

There may be audio of that encounter if the officers were wearing body cameras. If body camera footage does exist it hasn’t been released.

The police radio audio is also being withheld from the public for some reason. We don’t know what the dispatcher told the officers or what they reported from the scene.
 
  • #662
He was murdered before he could be arrested.

He was executed prior to trial.
Allegedly.
That's a nice policy on paper, but if the actual police training and police department culture aren't changed to effectuate it, such a policy isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Research has shown time and time again people have a strong basic tendency to conform to group pressure and defer to seniority and experience. This requires active training to combat. This means that: A) both new recruits and veterans have to be specifically trained to speak up against (possible) violations, even those committed by higher ranking/ more experienced officers, B) the senior officers must be willing to listen to/ be corrected by (potentially) much less experienced / lower ranking officers, C) the police department culture supports, rather than ostracizes, officers speaking up against colleagues crossing the line.

It is obvious that none of these preconditions were present at the MPD and in fact the opposite was happening: A) Officers, both new and veteran, apparently received no training in crew resource management. B) a rigid command structure where people of lesser rank/experience were expected to defer to those with a higher rank and more experience C) a toxic department culture where officers who crossed the thin blue line were ostracized. No wonder the policy was a complete and abject failure.

Tl:dr: It's nice to write a policy and expect people to follow it, mr. Arradondo, but proper crew resource management requires constant active training and real culture change, and it seems that the MPD simply neglected to implement these.
Wouldn't that be taught in the academy as part of the 16 weeks training?
 
  • #663
I wonder if Thao was one of the other officers who worked as an off duty security guard?
I won't be surprised! IMO, Thao's actions appear to be supportive and protective of Chauvin's killing GF.

Interesting is that after GF became unresponsive, Thao ignored the pleads to check a pulse and he didn't even turn his head to look. Human nature dictates a head turn to look. Plausible deniability?

And toward the end, after GF is loaded on the ambulance, Chauvin walks back to Thao and says only a few words then leave the scene. They appear to be partners (or partners in crime) ... IMO.

@tresir2012 , this case will be interesting. Although my loyalty is toward LE (as a whole), I cannot ignore that corruption exists and that police officers know more than most how to evade the law.
 
  • #664
George Floyd's girlfriend says they planned to open restaurant | Daily Mail Online
  • Courteney Ross, 44, says she dated George Floyd for three years before his May 25 death in Minneapolis at the hands of police
  • She was pictured in a somber moment on Thursday as she placed her hand on the 46-year-old's casket during the first of three memorial services for him
  • In an interview with DailyMail.com, Ross opened up on her relationship with Floyd and said that the last time she spoke to him was the day before he died
  • Ross, who manages a coffee shop in the city's north east, said his dream was to open up their own restaurant called Convict Kitchen
  • She said he had turned his life around after moving from Houston five years ago
  • The inspiration for the restaurant came from him serving time in a Texas prison
  • Floyd wanted to hire ex-convicts to work at the restaurant to give them a second chance like he was given
 
  • #665
The arrival of the first officers was captured by a security camera that did not have audio.

There may be audio of that encounter if the officers were wearing body cameras. If body camera footage does exist it hasn’t been released.

The police radio audio is also being withheld from the public for some reason. We don’t know what the dispatcher told the officers or what they reported from the scene.

The arrest affidavit says that the BWC for both of the two original officers were activated and on for the encounter.

I am not sure about the dispatch communications.
 
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  • #667
Yes. Some young adults are suspicious of the old twenties which are almost all out of circulation now.
I don't necessarily think it was a twenty because in the 911 transcript, the store clerk said "fake bills" so plural.
 
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tresir2012 said:
snipped by me....

Operator: Okay, what type of vehicle does he have?
Caller: And .... um he's got a vehicle that is ah ... one second let me see if I can see the license. The driver license is BRJ026.
Operator: Okay, what color is it?
Caller: It's a blue color. It's a blue van.
Operator: Blue van?
Caller: Yes, van.

Operator: Alright blue van, gotcha. Is it out front or is it on 38th St.?

Didn't the police pull him out of a black SUV?? That car did not look like a van to me?
 
  • #669
I don't necessarily think it was a twenty because in the 911 transcript, thecstore clerk said "fake bills" so plural.
Well hopefully they got the bills.
Ironically it carries the same felony penalty as DCs voting fraud.
 
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Didn't the police pull him out of a black SUV?? That car did not look like a van to me?
SUV. Both back doors open. Officers leaning in on him from each back door, struggling moving the car, how he got out of the car isn't a clip I can find.

Then officer pushing bystanders back by shoving them in the chest and threatening to mace them.
 
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  • #672
SUV. Both back doors open. Officers leaning in on him from each back door, struggling moving the car, how he got out of the car isn't a clip I can find.

Then officer pushing bystanders back by shoving them in the chest and threatening to mace them.

Yes, but sounds like the store clerk - or whomever is talking to 911 is pointing out a "different" car - blue van - not a black SUV.... ?? wrong person arrested (or tried to be arrested before he was murdered on video)???
 
  • #673
SUV. Both back doors open. Officers leaning in on him from each back door, struggling moving the car, how he got out of the car isn't a clip I can find.

Then officer pushing bystanders back by shoving them in the chest and threatening to mace them.



This is the clip of the actual arrest.
 
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I don't. But no where in msm has it been confirmed an investigation into the bill determined it was in fact counterfeit. It's not yet "fact" that the bill was proven counterfeit. It may have been, it may not have been. We do not know yet.
If it had been proven counterfeit, they’d be sure everyone knew, so that it could continue the narrative of “he had a record, he had drugs in his system, he used counterfeit money, therefore his murder by police is justified.”
 
  • #676
Yes, but sounds like the store clerk - or whomever is talking to 911 is pointing out a "different" car - blue van - not a black SUV.... ?? wrong person arrested (or tried to be arrested before he was murdered on video)???

They gave the registration so perhaps they identified it from that? We can't see the registration in the video.

Caller: And .... um he's got a vehicle that is ah ... one second let me see if I can see the license. The driver license is BRJ026.
Operator: Okay, what color is it?
Caller: It's a blue color. It's a blue van.
Operator: Blue van?
Caller: Yes, van.
Operator: Alright blue van, gotcha. Is it out front or is it on 38th St.?
Caller: Ah it's on 38th St.
 
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Twice in the last few years I've been accused of handing over a counterfeit bill. Both were older issue $5.00 bills that were printed before our lovely plastic money came into issue. Neither were counterfeit. I never expected to die for it, even if they had been counterfeit.

I haven't seen a report that indicated GF truly passed a counterfeit bill. Insinuating that he did so, without proof, can subconsciously perpetuate racist stereotypes and victim blaming.

BBM

That is what I have been saying. Unless we see a report from the Secret Service who handles counterfeit money that says it was truly a "fake" bill, let's not be jumping to conclusions here. It's a unverified report that has been perpetrated by the police and the media. Until the SS says it is a counterfeit bill it is pure speculation.

A teenager alleged it was. The teenager may not have ever seen an older 20 dollar bill which looks radically different than the new ones.

I am an older person who has seen the look of money change several times in my lifetime. I can remember the wheat backed pennies and buffalo nickels being used frequently. I remember when a quarter was all silver and not half copper. I remember when a dollar was a silver coin and was used frequently. I gave a 20 dollar gold coin to my great grandson that I had since the late 60's. I can remember a twenty dollar bill that was all green with small heads on the presidents that fit in the line. United States twenty-dollar bill - Wikipedia Scroll down a little to see a 1995 20 dollar bill compared to a 1996 20 dollar bill.

A teenager may have thought the 1995 bill was a counterfeit because he had never seen one.

Let's not speculate here since there are no reports from the SS saying it is counterfeit or even a picture of the bill for us to compare.

JMO
 
  • #678
That was the reason 911 was called. The store employees went to ask him to return the cigarettes but he refused. This is in both the 911 transcript and in the wiki account, both already posted. How is this victim blaming when it is the reason the police were there? Why do you think the store called the police? If we cannot post verified facts on here then we are truly lost.

I don't think they are saying the police were not called. That is a verified fact. What is not verified is if the twenty dollar bill was really a counterfeit. So until we see a report from SS saying it is, then it has not been verified that it was really counterfeit. The teenage clerk alleged it was.

JMO
 
  • #679
Have you got a link re the possibility it was authentic? Stores can usually tell with a special light can't they? I just quoted Floyd's brother about it.

Do police have it or the store have it? It would be evidence for sure so have police lost it or did it disappear like Thao's phone in the third precinct fire?

BBM
Have you got a link re the possibility it was authentic?

What is being said is we don't have proof it was not authentic.

Stores can usually tell with a special light can't they?
Sometimes, sometimes not. If it is an older bill it may have passed through too many hands and too many chemical changes and give a false positive when marked with a pen under a light. :re an older bill that has been washed in a pant's pocket with detergent.

Until we see a picture of the bill for comparison or a report from the SS we have no way of knowing if it was counterfeit or just an old bill.

Just saying.

JMO
 
  • #680
They gave the registration so perhaps they identified it from that? We can't see the registration in the video.

Caller: And .... um he's got a vehicle that is ah ... one second let me see if I can see the license. The driver license is BRJ026.
Operator: Okay, what color is it?
Caller: It's a blue color. It's a blue van.
Operator: Blue van?
Caller: Yes, van.
Operator: Alright blue van, gotcha. Is it out front or is it on 38th St.?
Caller: Ah it's on 38th St.
Blue van.
He was in a black SUV.
Is there more on this?
 
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