MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[RAISINISBACK]

It is fact that is what he was arrested for. Same as everyone on WS that has been arrested but it hasn't got to trial yet. So we talk about those facts before any trial.

BBM

I think we can talk about the clerk alleged it was counterfeit. I don't think we can take for granted that is why they arrested him. The clerk also said he was "not acting right" and appeared to be "drunk". He may have been detained for public intoxication.

Even then I don't think we can take for granted that he was intoxicated.

I had a friend who was arrested and taken to jail for a DUI until it was discovered that his blood sugar was well over 700 and that he hadn't had a single drink of alcohol.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

BBM

I think we can talk about the clerk alleged it was counterfeit. I don't think we can take for granted that is why they arrested him. The clerk also said he was "not acting right" and appeared to be "drunk". He may have been detained for public intoxication.

Even then I don't think we can take for granted that he was intoxicated.

I had a friend who was arrested and taken to jail for a DUI until it was discovered that his blood sugar was well over 700 and that he hadn't had a single drink of alcohol.

JMO

He was inside a car.
Is that not acting right?
So many questions now about this arrest.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

If they still have it, which I doubt due to the fire. But they still have the 911 call and the store clerk witness so that is fact.

BBM

Not to be picky or argumentative, but I doubt the young teenage clerk would be an expert witness on counterfeit money.

JMO

 

[sds71]

When Floyd cried out that he couldn’t breathe during his arrest on May 25, one officer replied, “You are talking fine...
Chauvin appears to have been in clear violation of the Minneapolis Police Department’s use of force policies when he used his knee to hold down Floyd. Section 5-311 of the department’s policy manual states that an “unconscious neck constraint” may only be used “on a subject who is exhibiting active aggression,” “for life saving purposes,” or “on a subject who is exhibiting active resistance.”
“This was not an acceptable use of force,” Heipt says. “The policy only permits to use neck restraints on people who are either actively resisting or engaging in active aggression. George Floyd was not doing either of these things. He was lying still, saying he couldn’t breathe, and pleading for his life. For the last three minutes, he was pulseless. No reasonable officer could think that applying a neck restraint in this situation would be consistent with department policy.”
George Floyd's Death Puts Spotlight On Controversial Syndrome Called ‘Excited Delirium’ - The Appeal

 

[RAISINISBACK]

He was inside a car.
Is that not acting right?
So many questions now about this arrest.

BBM

I don't think we can determine from the video's what he was acting like. The clerk said that he was "drunk" and "not acting right". I am assuming (having not been there myself to see in person) that in the course of talking to him and seeing him in the store the young clerk determined he was "drunk" and "not acting right". We have absolutely no way to know if this was in fact true since it was only an observation of the clerk.

To me on the video he did not appear to be drunk since he was not staggering (which would be my determination that a person is intoxicated, although I am no expert on this since I do not drink alcohol) and appeared to be walking a straight line (the test for intoxication that I am guilty of referring to what I see officers on TV do to determine intoxication) to where he was sat down.

So there is no way for me to determine from the video's if he was "drunk" as a skunk on Saturday night or "sober" as a judge on Sunday morning.

JMO

 

[tresir2012]

I don't think they are saying the police were not called. That is a verified fact. What is not verified is if the twenty dollar bill was really a counterfeit. So until we see a report from SS saying it is, then it has not been verified that it was really counterfeit. The teenage clerk alleged it was.

JMO

If it wasn't fake then it was an illegal arrest. Have they stated anywhere that it was an illegal arrest? The rookie cops spoke to the other two people in the vehicle then arrested GF and handcuffed him. The arresting officer then talked to him for several minutes as GF sat on the ground. Clearly we don't know what conversation went on but he must have said at some point you are being arrested for blah blah blah.

They were called for passing fake bills, they made an arrest. What then happens is what they were all sacked and charged for. They haven't been charged for false arrest AFAIK.

 

[tresir2012]

Blue van.
He was in a black SUV.
Is there more on this?

I posted the complete transcript a couple of pages back. Post 660. The clerk said he was sitting on the car in the 911 call.

 

[tresir2012]

Who are the officers charged over George Floyd's death?

 

[Boxer]

I posted the complete transcript a couple of pages back. Post 660. The clerk said he was sitting on the car in the 911 call.

On or in ?

 

[DD8]

FWIW, George was driving a blue 2001 Mercedes Benz ML320 with plate # BRJ026 (sold at salvage auction 2018)
Can be seen in one of the videos and a quick decode of the plate gives this info

ETA: pic

 

[Tippy Lynn]

On or in ?

Snipped from @tresir2012 post 660

Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn't want to do that, and he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

If it wasn't fake then it was an illegal arrest. Have they stated anywhere that it was an illegal arrest? The rookie cops spoke to the other two people in the vehicle then arrested GF and handcuffed him. The arresting officer then talked to him for several minutes as GF sat on the ground. Clearly we don't know what conversation went on but he must have said at some point you are being arrested for blah blah blah.

They were called for passing fake bills, they made an arrest. What then happens is what they were all sacked and charged for. They haven't been charged for false arrest AFAIK.

I don't think at this time we know whether he was arrested for counterfeit money or being "drunk" or "not acting right"

@sillybilly

Maybe we should let a mod determine if we should call the bill counterfeit, without any real proof from the SS, as a fact or whether we should call it the alleged counterfeit bill since we have not seen any proof it really was counterfeit.

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't think at this time we know whether he was arrested for counterfeit money or being "drunk" or "not acting right"

@sillybilly

Maybe we should let a mod determine if we should call the bill counterfeit, without any real proof from the SS, as a fact or whether we should call it the alleged counterfeit bill since we have not seen any proof it really was counterfeit.

We're at Thread #35 so I think it's far too late now to take back the "counterfeit" description, but IF it was (so, not a known fact at this time) it is very possible GF didn't even know it.

To be fair to GF, at all times when we see the word "counterfeit" we have to bear in mind that it is an unproven allegation unless/until MSM or LE verify one way or another. So yes, "alleged" would be great, but if that descriptor is not used, members can correct it as the discussion goes along.

 

[SleuthBee]

Take from the transcription of the 911 call:

Operator: How can I help you?
Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills ... and he was also drunk and everything ... he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself.

Operator: Okay, what color is it?
Caller: It's a blue color. It's a blue van.

Operator: Blue van?
Caller: Yes, van.

Operator: What's he look like, what race?
Caller: Um, he's a tall guy. He's like tall and bald, about like 6...6½, and she's not acting right so and she started to go, drive the car.

Operator: Okay so, female or a male?
Caller: Um…

Operator: Okay. Is he white, black, Native, Hispanic, Asian?
Caller: Something like that.

Operator: Which one? White, black, Native, Hispanic, Asian?
Caller: No, he's a black guy.

• The police arrived and spent a whole minute inside the store before heading toward GF's car. Did they examine the "counterfeit" bill?
• The van was actually an SUV
• The color was blue
• GF had no alcohol in his system

And this store clerk's word was the reasonable suspicion to approach GF's car
.

 

[SleuthBee]

He was inside a car.
Is that not acting right?
So many questions now about this arrest.

Yes there are, but I am not holding my breath waiting for truthful answers.

 

[Falcon500]

Yes. From the link:

Chauvin was on the police force for 18 years, but Lane and Kueng were rookies. Lane had been on the police force for four days when Floyd died and was "doing everything he thought he was supposed to do as a four-day police officer," hihs attorney Earl Gray said. Kueng was on his third shift as an officer, his lawyer said.

(The police chief said):

"When I helped craft the duty to intervene and duty to report (policies) in 2016, it does not signify if you have two days on or 20 years on. We expect you to, whether it's verbally and physically, to call out for help and intervene. Mr. Floyd was certainly expecting that," he said.

Minneapolis Police chief says officers' lack of experience is no excuse in George Floyd killing - CNN

In that case the cases against the two day wonders will never see the light of a courtroom. I haven’t seen every video that was taken of Chauvin with his knee on Floyd’s neck but in the videos I’ve seen the officers aren’t even shown.

 

[SleuthBee]

We're at Thread #35 so I think it's far too late now to take back the "counterfeit" description, but IF it was (so, not a known fact at this time) it is very possible GF didn't even know it.

To be fair to GF, at all times when we see the word "counterfeit" we have to bear in mind that it is an unproven allegation unless/until MSM or LE verify one way or another. So yes, "alleged" would be great, but if that descriptor is not used, members can correct it as the discussion goes along.

Thank you

And how sad that this allegation is repeated as fact (elsewhere, not on WS).

The officers first arrived at the scene and maybe spent one minute inside the store before approaching GF's vehicle. Frame location is 28 sec in this video. Did they even look at the bill?

 

[sds71]

Surveillance video shows events leading up to George Floyd's arrest; Park Police releases bodycam video
https://kstp.com/news/surveillance-video-shows-events-leading-up-to-george-floyds-arrest/5742404/
New Video Shows 3 Cops Kneeling on George Floyd as He Lay Dying

Minneapolis Park Police releases body camera video in George Floyd death

 

[branmuffin]

I'm Canadian, so not too sure about police union power in the US, but here's a link which discusses it.

Hopeful that Minneapolis policing will change? Meet the police union's chief ...

In my city, we have problems with police corruption (covering up for each others DUI's and other violations mostly involving off duty cops) more than police brutality, though there have been cases of that too. Unbelievably, police in my city are allowed to use their overtime (and they get tons of it) towards their pension. I think they're the only police department in N. America that gets that.

I worked for a large police organization in Ontario. A lot of police organizations have associations and don't define them as unions, per se. Their associations mirror the Public Service Act meaning they can't vote to strike when their contract has expired during negotiations since they are considered an essential service. But they can negotiate better working conditions. They do get the 'blue flu' every now and then, though.

I've never heard of a police force who are entitled to apply overtime payments to calculate pension. As a matter of fact, many non-commissioned officers, who make eye-watering amounts of overtime pay, prefer to remain as uniformed officers and manage their own retirement portfolios, over and above their employment pension.

After working for them for 25 years I don't think the force I worked for had a culture of corruption, other than the outliers, which were few and far between.

 

[SleuthBee]

If it wasn't fake then it was an illegal arrest. Have they stated anywhere that it was an illegal arrest? The rookie cops spoke to the other two people in the vehicle then arrested GF and handcuffed him. The arresting officer then talked to him for several minutes as GF sat on the ground. Clearly we don't know what conversation went on but he must have said at some point you are being arrested for blah blah blah.

They were called for passing fake bills, they made an arrest. What then happens is what they were all sacked and charged for. They haven't been charged for false arrest AFAIK.

@tresir2012 I am not convinced the officers even looked at the bill. I guess reasonable suspicion was the 911 call, but I am interested in the reason GF was arrested. Nothing indicated a suspicion of alcohol intoxication.