MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[Cubby]

It is fact that is what he was arrested for. Same as everyone on WS that has been arrested but it hasn't got to trial yet. So we talk about those facts before any trial.

I didn't see anything that he was officially under arrest. Do we know if he was told why the cops cuffed and apprehended him?

We know why the clerk called the police, but that doesn't mean that was the reason for an arrest.

 

[Wowno17]

Another case gaining attention is out of Austin, Texas. His name is Javier Ambler.

Texas police chase ends in death. "I can't breathe," the man cries.

Javier Ambler was driving home from a friendly poker game in the early hours of March 28, 2019, when a Williamson County sheriff’s deputy noticed that he failed to dim the headlights of his SUV to oncoming traffic.

Twenty-eight minutes later, the black father of two sons lay dying on a north Austin street after deputies held him down and used Tasers on him four times while a crew from A&E’s reality show “Live PD” filmed.

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Earlier this year in Tacoma, Washington, another African-American man, Manuel Ellis, also uttered the words "I can't breathe" shortly before dying from positional asphyxia during a police encounter.

I can't breathe - Wikipedia

This is all just to much for me, I'm going to step away from this thread. My heart is breaking, too many lives cut short in such an awful way.

 

[Lilibet]

George Floyd is dead at the hands of a cop who kept a knee to his neck for almost 9 minutes. At this point, does it really matter what GF allegedly did that caused the employee to call 911? The matter never went to trial (assuming there was even an arrest). GF was never convicted. But he was executed for an alleged $20 bill. Yes, we all saw it. This was an execution, not an accident. I don’t understand why this alleged counterfeit bill is even part of the discussion here, other than to blame the victim. The man is dead. It’s over. And as his brother said “Is $20 what a black man is worth?”
JMO

 

[Cubby]

Teen who recorded George Floyd video wasn't looking to be a hero, her lawyer says

 

[TristanP]

George Floyd is dead at the hands of a cop who kept a knee to his neck for almost 9 minutes. At this point, does it really matter what GF allegedly did that caused the employee to call 911? The matter never went to trial (assuming there was even an arrest). GF was never convicted. But he was executed for an alleged $20 bill. Yes, we all saw it. This was an execution, not an accident. I don’t understand why this alleged counterfeit bill is even part of the discussion here, other than to blame the victim. The man is dead. It’s over. And as his brother said “Is $20 what a black man is worth?”
JMO

It’s discussed because people want to think “oh, he had a record” or “he did drugs” or whatever bad thing, because then it justifies his death in their mind. In addition, they think “I don’t have a record and I don’t do drugs so a cop would never hurt me” so they don’t have to be afraid of police brutality.

 

[Boxer]

George Floyd is dead at the hands of a cop who kept a knee to his neck for almost 9 minutes. At this point, does it really matter what GF allegedly did that caused the employee to call 911? The matter never went to trial (assuming there was even an arrest). GF was never convicted. But he was executed for an alleged $20 bill. Yes, we all saw it. This was an execution, not an accident. I don’t understand why this alleged counterfeit bill is even part of the discussion here, other than to blame the victim. The man is dead. It’s over. And as his brother said “Is $20 what a black man is worth?”
JMO

MOO its here to show how disproportionate the alleged crime was from the response.

If there was a crime it was trying to off load a counterfeit bill which for a twenty is a misdemeanor in Minnesota (see below) while the crime of fraudulently voting which DC did, claiming to be a resident of Orange County Florida, voting Florida in 2016 and 2018 while working and living in Minnesota is a Felony 3.
So here is a scofflaw felony committing policeman killing a man for a misdemeanor.


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In Minnesota, penalties for knowingly passing or offering fake currency depend on the face value of the currency or the amount of property or services the person attempted to obtain. If the face value or property or services sought are less than $1,000, the crime is a misdemeanor with a maximum penalty of one year's jail time. The maximum sentence is a 20-year felony for a crime involving knowingly offering fake currency with a face value of more than $35,000 or seeking more than $35,000 in property or services. (Minn. Stat. § 609.632 (2020).

 

[Curiosity1234]

George Floyd is dead at the hands of a cop who kept a knee to his neck for almost 9 minutes. At this point, does it really matter what GF allegedly did that caused the employee to call 911? The matter never went to trial (assuming there was even an arrest). GF was never convicted. But he was executed for an alleged $20 bill. Yes, we all saw it. This was an execution, not an accident. I don’t understand why this alleged counterfeit bill is even part of the discussion here, other than to blame the victim. The man is dead. It’s over. And as his brother said “Is $20 what a black man is worth?”
JMO

George Floyd went from innocent until proven guilty to a death sentence.

 

[Lilibet]

Thank you all for responding.

It’s discussed because people want to think “oh, he had a record” or “he did drugs” or whatever bad thing, because then it justifies his death in their mind. In addition, they think “I don’t have a record and I don’t do drugs so a cop would never hurt me” so they don’t have to be afraid of police brutality.

BBM

Yes, it’s seems some think his death was either justified or not surprising due to his record, drug use or alleged crime, and that it could never happen to them because they don’t do “anything.”

Oh yes it can. My white husband was pulled over on his bicycle in a small town about 5 years ago when he was 70 by a very belligerent cop. He claimed there had been a report of an older man on a black bike like my husband’s offering candy to kids at the skatepark. Not my husband. Long story short, the cop was so rude and aggressive my husband was scared that if he said or did the wrong thing he’d end up in handcuffs. It was really weird.

More recently my husband stopped by the IRS office to get some forms and as he walked toward the building the security guard came running out the door toward him demanding to know his business. Aggression again. It was very scary.

There is nothing about my husband’s appearance or demeanor that would normally elicit that kind of attitude. Clearly some LE have no respect for older ones. So none of us should assume it can’t happen to us, even if we’re old and white.
JMO

MOO its here to show how disproportionate the alleged crime was from the response.

If there was a crime it was trying to off load a counterfeit bill which for a twenty is a misdemeanor in Minnesota (see below) while the crime of fraudulently voting which DC did, claiming to be a resident of Orange County Florida, voting Florida in 2016 and 2018 while working and living in Minnesota is a Felony 3.
So here is a scofflaw felony committing policeman killing a man for a misdemeanor.

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BBM

It certainly was a disproportionate response to the alleged misdemeanor. I guess I’m blown away that everyone doesn’t see that.

George Floyd went from innocent until proven guilty to a death sentence.

Exactly my point. It’s so obvious that it seems almost disrespectful to Mr Floyd to have to keep explaining it. But that’s JMO and MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

It’s discussed because people want to think “oh, he had a record” or “he did drugs” or whatever bad thing, because then it justifies his death in their mind. In addition, they think “I don’t have a record and I don’t do drugs so a cop would never hurt me” so they don’t have to be afraid of police brutality.

Personally, I think it is discussed because that is what we do on WS. Discuss every aspect and potential aspect of a case.

To me, this does not mean that anyone believes George's death is justified. It is just WS members trying to look at the entirety of the situation. I am pretty sure that we all can see very clearly that George suffered a horrible and unjustified death.

 

[SouthAussie]

Surveillance video shows events leading up to George Floyd's arrest; Park Police releases bodycam video

Near the start of the bodycam video, it looks like the park police officer was handed a slip of paper and perhaps asked to run the info on it. Prior to that I can hear an officer ask for ID, then say "okay, what's your name" and start writing.

Maybe George gave his name and it was run in the system for any history.
The park police officer took the paper back to his vehicle, and appears to do something on the tech system in the vehicle.

 

[MsBetsy]

It is fact that is what he was arrested for. Same as everyone on WS that has been arrested but it hasn't got to trial yet. So we talk about those facts before any trial.

It's never been verified that the money was counterfeit or that the officers even checked. I don't think we have ever heard the reason for the arrest.

It seems to me he was murdered while officers were in the process of taking him into custody.

 

[Boxer]

It's never been verified that the money was counterfeit or that the officers even checked. I don't think we have ever heard the reason for the arrest.

It seems to me he was murdered while officers were in the process of taking him into custody.

He was in a black SUV- police had everyone get out and they cuffed GF. He did not resist, with hands cuffed behind his back they put him in the back of their police SUV, made a U turn, stopped their car got out of the car and each policeman opened a door and leaned in on GF in the backseat - the car shakes.
I can't find a clip of GF being pulled out of of the car and put prone on the ground. Next footage DC has knee on him killing him.

 

[MsBetsy]

He was in a black SUV- police had everyone get out and they cuffed GF. He did not resist, with hands cuffed behind his back they put him in the back of their police SUV, made a U turn, stopped their car got out of the car and each policeman leaned in on GF in the backseat doors - the car shakes.
I can't find a clip of GF being pulled out of of the car and put prone on the ground. Next footage DC has knee on him killing him.

Yes, everything seemed to be fine until Chauvin and Thao got there. I think they were beating on him when the car was shaking. I still want to know if they had their body cams turned on. We know of at least one incident when Chauvin turned his off when he pulled the woman out of the car on another occasion. I wouldn't be surprised if he had it off when he arrived.

 

[tresir2012]

He was in a black SUV- police had everyone get out and they cuffed GF. He did not resist, with hands cuffed behind his back they put him in the back of their police SUV, made a U turn, stopped their car got out of the car and each policeman opened a door and leaned in on GF in the backseat - the car shakes.
I can't find a clip of GF being pulled out of of the car and put prone on the ground. Next footage DC has knee on him killing him.

So they pulled him out of one cop car to put him into a second one? Have we seen the video of that?

 

[tresir2012]

It's never been verified that the money was counterfeit or that the officers even checked. I don't think we have ever heard the reason for the arrest.

It seems to me he was murdered while officers were in the process of taking him into custody.

"I don't think we have ever heard the reason for the arrest."

No I don't think we have but the reason for his arrest should be on the police body cam of the arresting officer. If they were destroyed in the precinct fire we may never know and we will have to await the trials. We do know why they were called. Passing counterfeit money.

 

[tresir2012]

Why I think the reason for his arrest is important is because nothing appeared to go wrong until the supervisor showed up.

 

[sds71]

Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin could receive more than $1 million in pension benefits during his retirement years even if he is convicted of killing George Floyd.

Chauvin has been the subject of national fury since last month, when footage emerged of him kneeling on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes as Floyd begged him to stop. He was quickly fired from the department where he had worked since 2001, and amid national protests, was eventually charged with second-degree murder. Three other officers involved with the incident were also fired and face felony charges.
But Chauvin still stands to benefit from a pension partially funded by taxpayers. While a number of state laws allow for the forfeiture of pensions for those employees convicted of felony crimes related to their work, this is not the case in Minnesota.


Derek Chauvin: Officer charged with killing George Floyd still eligible for pension worth more than $1 million - CNN

 

[Bravo]

Could a Civil Suit touch killers pension? Or is that protected? So in the end Floyd's Family will be supporting killers pension thru taxes. Disgusted!

 

[tresir2012]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/11/george-floyd-rookie-cop-used-crowdfunding-to-pay-750k-bail/

"The fired rookie cop who bailed out of jailon serious charges over George Floyd’s death managed to raise his $750,000 bond with the help of donations to a crowdfunding site, according to a report.

Thomas Lane, 37, posted cash bail Wednesday thanks in part to those who responded to an appeal decrying how high the bail was set, the Star Tribune said.

“Lane and his family appreciate your support and prayers during this time,” said the site, which was taken down once he was bailed out, the paper noted.

Lane’s attorney, Earl Gray, confirmed to the paper that it had been a legitimate fundraiser. However, he did not reveal exactly how much of the money came from collections, or who was behind it."

More at link.


So it doesn't seem like it was the Union who came up with his bail.

 

[Boxer]

So they pulled him out of one cop car to put him into a second one? Have we seen the video of that?

He was in a regular SUV not a police vehicle.