MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[Keefer]

I agree and believe GF was frightened and terrified, and not resisting arrest.

While reviewing the videos, I noticed a change in a stream of water underneath the police cruiser. Then realized it had to be coming from GF because the AC compressor is toward the front. I attached pics captured from the video.

In cases of extreme fear, terror and strangulation, incontinent urination is common. GF's autopsy shows his residual urine volume was 80 mls. And a man GF's size might have a bladder that can hold >1500 ml. In other words, his bladder was pretty much empty.

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Strangulation
Choke Hold
Anxiety
Terror

Thanks for posting this. I think what Mr. Floyd was doing is called “defensive resistance” I think its when a person resists but is not trying to hurt anyone. I think this happens quite a bit especially with the medically fragile and people who are afraid. After being basically terrorized by the police for generations its no wonder people of color would do this.

 

[SouthAussie]

The officers talked to all three people in the car based on the video. The other two people got out and the officers let them walk away. The witness who said GF and DC knew each other has retracted that statement.

Just a relatively unimportant detail. When watching the park police bodycam video, I got the impression that the two other people hung around outside the vehicle chatting with the park police officer (who had been tasked with watching the vehicle).
He even asked them if they had what they needed from the vehicle ... cigarettes, personal stuff ... and asked them not to get back in the vehicle.
Most of the conversation he had with them has been muted, but it seemed ongoing from the little snippets that were not muted.
The bodycam video is about 18 minutes long.

 

[tresir2012]

Just a relatively unimportant detail. When watching the park police bodycam video, I got the impression that the two other people hung around outside the vehicle chatting with the park police officer (who had been tasked with watching the vehicle).
He even asked them if they had what they needed from the vehicle ... cigarettes, personal stuff ... and asked them not to get back in the vehicle.
Most of the conversation he had with them has been muted, but it seemed ongoing from the little snippets that were not muted.
The bodycam video is about 18 minutes long.

I don't think I have seen that video, only the store video. I didn't think any body cam footage had been released.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think I have seen that video, only the store video. I didn't think any body cam footage had been released.

sds71 posted the park police bodycam video a few pages ago. Post #698.

In the first link, the bodycam video is at the bottom of the article.

Surveillance video shows events leading up to George Floyd's arrest; Park Police releases bodycam video

New Video Shows 3 Cops Kneeling on George Floyd as He Lay Dying

Minneapolis Park Police releases body camera video in George Floyd death

 

[mickey2942]

Derek Chauvin: Officer charged with killing George Floyd still eligible for pension worth more than $1 million - CNN

This is interesting. His ex wife will probably get half of his pension.

 

[kaen]

The reason all the evidence is important is because there are 4 policemen that have been charged, so all the events leading up to his death will be examined along with all the actions of the officers to determine the facts of the case. The cell phone info and the body cams will be examined, and even the conversations of the officers before, during and. afterwards. The working relationships between the cops and the off duty jobs will be examined. Nothing will or should be left out.

Yes, let's look at the criminals who killed Mr. Floyd. I am all for examining every moment of these killers from before, during and after. No argument from me on that account. However, the examination of Mr. Floyd's past or drug/alcohol use/abuse are red herrings in this care. I have never been to prison and haven't taken drugs/alcohol but if you have three men sitting/kneeling on my prone, handcuffed body for 8 minutes and 42 seconds I am sure I would be dead. I may have unidentified heart disease or just old arteries but I am sure if I was the one dead on the ground and the world saw it---I doubt that people would be talking about my lack of criminal history, lack of drug use/drug abuse and my old heart with lots of plaque. Why are people looking at Mr. Floyd rather than doing precisely what you are saying? It is the officers that should be examined. IMO

ETA: IMO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

 

[SouthAussie]

Sounds as though those citizens have the right idea (spoken about at the end of the news video). imo
Hundreds protesting outside the police union building calling for the 'controversial president' of the union to resign.

 

[KALI]

Yes. AND yes, There was.

I would have liked to have known if any substances were found in Mr. Floyd's autopsy results. Has the analysis of the blood work been completed and released?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

We're at Thread #35 so I think it's far too late now to take back the "counterfeit" description, but IF it was (so, not a known fact at this time) it is very possible GF didn't even know it.

To be fair to GF, at all times when we see the word "counterfeit" we have to bear in mind that it is an unproven allegation unless/until MSM or LE verify one way or another. So yes, "alleged" would be great, but if that descriptor is not used, members can correct it as the discussion goes along.

@sillybilly

Thank you so much for helping us out on this. I know that the mods work very hard to keep the threads clear. I really do appreciate your hard work.

 

[Sillybilly]

@sillybilly

Thank you so much for helping us out on this. I know that the mods work very hard to keep the threads clear. I really do appreciate your hard work.

You're very Welcome and Thank You for your very kind words RAISIN.

 

[Lilibet]

I am with you 100%. There is an evolving narrative about how Mr. Floyd conducted himself that is disturbing. When we get stuck on the bill or the drugs in his system, it is a way to justify the treatment --not necessarily his death, but the murderer's decision to place him face down and "get him under control" so to speak. Some argue that the beginning of this event was the prone position and kneeling on his neck. Others argue that the beginning of this event is the drug ingestion and bill paying (counterfeit has not been proven). I am in the camp that as soon as he was under their "control" they were responsible to keep him alive as he was unable to do that for himself. The events of Mr. Floyd's decisions are tangential at best.

I would also argue that (and I am not saying people here are saying the opposite) Mr. Floyd did the right things when he was told he was to be arrested. He surrendered any choices that he could make to be under their control If he had run or tried to flee and was killed many would saying he should not have run or resisted. His panic was real. He disclosed he had claustrophobia. He complained of being unable to breathe before he was placed face down. He should have had medical treatment. For whatever reason (and it doesn't really matter why), Mr. Floyd was saying the things that would make any officer or trained rescuer see indicators of needing to be checked out by medical professionals. He was not out of control in anyway, especially after he lost consciousness.

A black man is (and all people are) worth way more than $20. The statement by his brother represents a concern about a growing narrative about the importance of looking at Mr. Floyd's history, the alleged "crime" of that day, and his use of drugs as mitigators for the use force he was killed by. I find it confusing that anyone would say it is important to know about the bill or his drug use as an equal or important set of factors in the events of that day. Mr. Floyd's brother is calling it out but many are just stepping right around him as if his words are as useless as his brother's pleas for air-- the beginning of how many of these scenarios go--- by blaming the victim by not blaming the victim but talking about all the things he did wrong rather than the fact that he was defenseless when he was executed in front of a crowd. .

Thank y0u for your eloquent post @kaen.

The reason all the evidence is important is because there are 4 policemen that have been charged, so all the events leading up to his death will be examined along with all the actions of the officers to determine the facts of the case. The cell phone info and the body cams will be examined, and even the conversations of the officers before, during and. afterwards. The working relationships between the cops and the off duty jobs will be examined. Nothing will or should be left out.

It’s fine to look at the actions of the four accused officers. Most of the evidence you mention regarding the officers is not information we are yet privy to here on WS. All we have is the horrifying 8 minute and 46 second video of the execution of George Floyd. Nothing he did leading up to his execution is or will be considered exculpatory evidence in favor of the defendants, n0t even an alleged counterfeit $20 bill.

Yes, let's look at the criminals who killed Mr. Floyd. I am all for examining every moment of these killers from before, during and after. No argument from me on that account. However, the examination of Mr. Floyd's past or drug/alcohol use/abuse are red herrings in this care. I have never been to prison and haven't taken drugs/alcohol but if you have three men sitting/kneeling on my prone, handcuffed body for 8 minutes and 42 seconds I am sure I would be dead. I may have unidentified heart disease or just old arteries but I am sure if I was the one dead on the ground and the world saw it---I doubt that people would be talking about my lack of criminal history, lack of drug use/drug abuse and my old heart with lots of plaque. Why are people looking at Mr. Floyd rather than doing precisely what you are saying? It is the officers that should be examined. IMO

ETA: IMO

Another great post @kaen. When someone is a murder victim here on WS, do we normally examine the victim’s past and actions prior to the murder? If there is clearly no aggression by the victim, it’s called victim-blaming, so why is Mr Floyd’s past, drug/alcohol abuse and allegedly passing a $20 counterfeit bill OK? It’s not.

JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Yes. AND yes, There was.

Interesting. Methamphetamine and Fentanyl. Plus, he had Covid-19. No wonder he may have been confused.

Note: this is not in anyway, shape or form defending the actions of Chauvin. Nor do I see that they caused his death. Could they have been a contributing factor in the situation, possibly.

But, as I have stated previously, many police officers have a knee jerk reaction when they are not obeyed immediately. And I believe that escalates situations unnecessarily.

 

[Lilibet]

Yes. AND yes, There was.

Does it really make a difference? The drugs found in Mr Floyd’s system did not create the “need” for him to be forcibly subdued with a knee to his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds...several minutes past his death. As has been stated, his past, his drug use, and allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill were not grounds for execution, even if he was found guilty in court.
JMO

 

[Keefer]

Does it really make a difference? The drugs found in Mr Floyd’s system did not create the “need” for him to be forcibly subdued with a knee to his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds...several minutes past his death. As has been stated, his past, his drug use, and allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill were not grounds for execution, even if he was found guilty in court.
JMO

Yes, the police used a lethal technique on a man who posed no danger to anyone. It would not matter if he had drugs or anything else in his system or was an ex con or mentally ill. The fourth amendment does not allow excessive force period. Lethal force is only allowed if you are facing lethal force otherwise it is illegal. It is really simple folks, a carotid artery chokehold is lethal force, it can and does kill people.

 

[Boxer]

I would have liked to have known if any substances were found in Mr. Floyd's autopsy results. Has the analysis of the blood work been completed and released?

Interesting. Methamphetamine and Fentanyl. Plus, he had Covid-19. No wonder he may have been confused.

Note: this is not in anyway, shape or form defending the actions of Chauvin. Nor do I see that they caused his death. Could they have been a contributing factor in the situation, possibly.

But, as I have stated previously, many police officers have a knee jerk reaction when they are not obeyed immediately. And I believe that escalates situations unnecessarily.

Strangling someone for 8 minutes isn't an impulsive or a knee jerk reaction, a baton swat or fist strikes, its a continuous intentional pressure applied causing death. He could feel GF dying.

 

[SouthAussie]

Police have staged protests in cities across France against a ban on chokehold restraint techniques imposed by the government in response to public anger over the death of George Floyd and alleged police brutality in France.

In Paris on Friday (local time), police unions parked dozens of vehicles at the foot of the Arc de Triomphe before processing down the Champs-Elysees boulevard. One van carried a poster reading "No police, no peace".

Another carried graphic images of injuries sustained by police officers attacked in the line of duty, with the words: "Who is massacring who?"

The unions told the minister the chokehold saved lives and was a technique that officers needed at their disposal until a suitable alternative was found .....

French police protest over chokehold ban

 

[mickey2942]

Strangling someone for 8 minutes isn't an impulsive or a knee jerk reaction, a baton swat or fist strikes, its a continuous intentional pressure applied causing death. He could feel GF dying.

And, as I stated, I don't think that there is any justification for the brutality displayed by Chauvin.

Mr. Floyd was definitely a victim in this situation. But, I don't think that we have to cannonize him. Or not acknowledge that he was positive for illegal drugs at the time of his death.

This doesn't negate him. It is a fact. There is a problem, when people don't want to acknowledge a fact, or try to sugar coat it. My own opinion.

 

[Boxer]

And, as I stated, I don't think that there is any justification for the brutality displayed by Chauvin.

Mr. Floyd was definitely a victim in this situation. But, I don't think that we have to cannonize him. Or not acknowledge that he was positive for illegal drugs at the time of his death.

This doesn't negate him. It is a fact. There is a problem, when people don't want to acknowledge a fact, or try to sugar coat it. My own opinion.

Right. But remember the alleged crime, paying with a counterfeit $20 is a misdemeanor in Minnesota.

 

[SouthAussie]

The cases of four fired Minneapolis police officers have been assigned to Hennepin County District Judge Peter Cahill, who began his career as a defense attorney before serving as the top adviser to U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar when she was county attorney.
Cahill, who also served as the county’s chief judge, is known for being decisive and direct.

The cases against the four officers could be tried together or separately. The choice of a judge to manage them is significant because the judge sets the tone inside and the parameters for access to the courtroom.

All are expected in court at 9 a.m. June 29.

Judge Peter Cahill to oversee cases of four officers charged in Floyd killing