MN - George Floyd, unarmed man killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[GoBuckeyes]

I have family members who are current and past LEO. I have heard them speak about some of the vile humans they encountered on the force. Some of these people are seen as upstanding in their families and communities but are absolute horrible when it comes to their policing in the communities in which they work. Some are across the board horrible humans.

The LEO in my family are good people, trying to do their best in jobs they chose and love. I am incensed at the inability of these institutions to police themselves and weed out these bad actors.

You are so right that you can't hide who you are forever. Alcohol and certain drugs are revealing of your true self. High stress situations are also very revealing. This killer had no shame or care about what he was doing. He was all very natural in all his action or inaction. He never appeared to question his actions or check on Mr. Floyd in the video. The arrest warrant cites his words as the younger officer questioned his action--he was matter of fact and devoid of any compassion or introspection about the situation they were in.

Very well said!

 

[MsBetsy]

As to positioning, I stated earlier that I regularly receive training in First Aid and CPR for the Professional Rescuer (can be found who it is appropriate for online). My training is meant for police officers as well. The officer who asked about placing on his side was actually utilizing the training that I have experienced. Mr. Floyd said he was claustrophobic and stated he couldn't breathe before he was moved near the squad cars. It is at that moment that the (I can't call them officers anymore) accused killers should have called 911. Breathing issues can signify a heart attack or asthma attack, both of which can cascade quickly. Instead, they moved him toward a car where he repeated his physical complaint. Placing him prone while handcuffed and stacking human body weight on him would only make it harder for him to breathe regardless of a breathing event or cardiac event. The killers did not follow any training in rendering aid that they had to have in order to be out on the street policing. In fact, the one who asked the questions and requested to see if he had a pulse actually joined the force either in 2017 or 2019 so he was closer to training hypothetically as all need to be re-certified every two years.

After Mr. Floyd was in arrest, not a single one of these killers rendered him CPR/rescue breathing or anything that might have made it possible that he could survive. Also against their training and their duty. They called for EMTs after he had stopped breathing for a few minutes--which insured that he would not survive. It is murder plain and simple. The situation was not chaotic and they can't claim they had not time to think because they sat their bodies on this man for many minutes without him resisting--how could he with hundreds of pounds of weight on his body. It is just barbaric and devoid of human empathy.

I do think that they should be charged with murder with intent just based on their aid training.

The mug shot has been on MSM but I have not seen it here. I won't post this man's face as it is the face of evil to me.

Yeah, that makes sense that the procedure is to put the victim on their side. I've read that lying on the left side takes pressure off the carotid artery.

And yes, I always thought that when someone states they can't breathe, it should be treated as a medical emergency. Instead the officers completely disregarded him and went on to restrain him while taunting him about being able to breathe if he was able to talk.

Not only did they murder him, they mocked him as he lay helpless on the pavement, gasping for breath and dying.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Any news on when Chauvin will be in court?? TIA!

I haven't seen a date yet and nothing on the MN online court site. http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/default.aspx

 

[kaen]

I haven't seen a date yet and nothing on the MN online court site. http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/default.aspx

I am sure there will be nothing publicized until they absolutely have to. I believe he made bond but those documents are not available either.

I don't think that his safety can be insured so I understand the lack of publication but it is not good in this climate to not be transparent. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Hiding his proceedings will only incur further questioning by the public as to the seriousness that the government has in making change.

 

[ilovewings]

The family has hired Dr. Michael Baden to perform a second autopsy.

George Floyd family enlists Dr. Michael Baden to perform second autopsy

Thanks for that info and good to hear!!!

 

[Reasonable & Just]

The LEO in my family are good people, trying to do their best in jobs they chose and love. I am incensed at the inability of these institutions to police themselves and weed out these bad actors.

And this inability (unwillingness?) creates conditions that endanger the safety of the many, many good LEO. The danger is not just from criminals, but also from the bad actors they work with. I have been so fortunate in my interactions. The LEOs I have encountered were highly-trained professionals who lived by the motto "to protect and serve". My prayers go out to every one of the people who do their jobs and risk their lives to protect and serve us. As a taxpayer and citizen, I will do everything I can to maintain the relationship that holds my community together.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Yeah, that makes sense that the procedure is to put the victim on their side. I've read that lying on the left side takes pressure off the carotid artery.

And yes, I always thought that when someone states they can't breathe, it should be treated as a medical emergency. Instead the officers completely disregarded him and went on to restrain him while taunting him about being able to breathe if he was able to talk.

Not only did they murder him, they mocked him as he lay helpless on the pavement, gasping for breath and dying.

Has a transcript been released of the interaction or what was said and done, (besides the obvious) a timeline of sorts? I just can't bring myself to watch the video again. Has any officer said why they would not allow him to stand? I clearly heard him asking to be allowed to stand. Has any officer explained how Mr. Floyd went from being handcuffed and seated to being in the street with 4 officers kneeling on him?

 

[thefragile7393]

The family has hired Dr. Michael Baden to perform a second autopsy.

George Floyd family enlists Dr. Michael Baden to perform second autopsy

I can’t wait to see these results. The original ME findings feel...off..to put it mildly.

 

[kaen]

Has a transcript been released of the interaction or what was said and done, (besides the obvious) a timeline of sorts? I just can't bring myself to watch the video again. Has any officer said why they would not allow him to stand? I clearly heard him asking to be allowed to stand. Has any officer explained how Mr. Floyd went from being handcuffed and seated to being in the street with 4 officers kneeling on him?

The arrest warrant details the event fairly well without having to witness Mr. Floyd's death. It addresses the initial contact, putting him in cuffs, sitting against the wall of the store, what happened at the car and how Mr. Floyd ended up on the ground.

If you read the arrest warrant, it is detailed about the words spoken by these men in relation to their care of Mr. Floyd once he was prone, complete with the timeline. While it is not graphic, the arrested killer's short and concise answers to the younger officer makes it clear that they were on this path---keeping him prone with them on him during his pleas and they did not move off of him even after one of these killers reported no pulse in his wrist. Mr. Floyd was no threat at this point, received no care. They stayed on him for almost 3 minutes after they reported no pulse. And, did not call for EMTs until after that. The EMT reports show that they were told the man had only a bloody nose--no mention of no pulse or unconsciousness. They came on the scene had to scramble to provide care. They scooped him up and ran which is an indicator that he was in a dire state as they usually will try to stabilize and then move as it is better for the patient.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

I heard a pundit - lawyer on MSNBC say that she thinks they need a 2nd autopsy: this one is fishy to me. How did he not die from asphyxia???? the autopsy read like an ME that was trying to help out the defendant. could be wrong but that is the way i see it.

It's no different than them now saying someone died from Pneumonia or Respiratory Problems, when it was really the Coronavirus which caused those issues in the first place.

Whatever condition Mr. Floyd may have had, it was a direct result of the officer's actions that he died.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Has a transcript been released of the interaction or what was said and done, (besides the obvious) a timeline of sorts? I just can't bring myself to watch the video again. Has any officer said why they would not allow him to stand? I clearly heard him asking to be allowed to stand. Has any officer explained how Mr. Floyd went from being handcuffed and seated to being in the street with 4 officers kneeling on him?

The Criminal Complaint is at this link.

READ: The criminal complaint against ex-Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin - CNN

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The family has hired Dr. Michael Baden to perform a second autopsy.

George Floyd family enlists Dr. Michael Baden to perform second autopsy

I'm so glad to read this. I have the utmost respect for Dr. Baden.

 

[MsBetsy]

Has a transcript been released of the interaction or what was said and done, (besides the obvious) a timeline of sorts? I just can't bring myself to watch the video again. Has any officer said why they would not allow him to stand? I clearly heard him asking to be allowed to stand. Has any officer explained how Mr. Floyd went from being handcuffed and seated to being in the street with 4 officers kneeling on him?

I haven't heard that the other officers have answered to anything in regard to their actions.

I'm sure it is part of the investigation, and I'm surprised there haven't been additional arrests.

There were many witnesses, including a fire fighter, I believe. I would think the officers would have been wearing body cams as well.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN REMINDER:

Please stay on topic by discussing the issues specific to the killing of George Floyd and the officers involved.

All the surrounding racial issues and resulting protests and rioting are off topic in this thread.

And please refrain from making disparaging comments about the spouse of any of the officers involved. The wives of these LEOs are not responsible for the killing of George Floyd.

Thank you for staying on topic.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The arrest warrant details the event fairly well without having to witness Mr. Floyd's death. It addresses the initial contact, putting him in cuffs, sitting against the wall of the store, what happened at the car and how Mr. Floyd ended up on the ground.

If you read the arrest warrant, it is detailed about the words spoken by these men in relation to their care of Mr. Floyd once he was prone, complete with the timeline. While it is not graphic, the arrested killer's short and concise answers to the younger officer makes it clear that they were on this path---keeping him prone with them on him during his pleas and they did not move off of him even after one of these killers reported no pulse in his wrist. Mr. Floyd was no threat at this point, received no care. They stayed on him for almost 3 minutes after they reported no pulse. And, did not call for EMTs until after that. The EMT reports show that they were told the man had only a bloody nose--no mention of no pulse or unconsciousness. They came on the scene had to scramble to provide care. They scooped him up and ran which is an indicator that he was in a dire state as they usually will try to stabilize and then move as it is better for the patient.

It seems Mr. Floyd never posed a threat at any point.

 

[MaryG12]

And this inability (unwillingness?) creates conditions that endanger the safety of the many, many good LEO. The danger is not just from criminals, but also from the bad actors they work with. I have been so fortunate in my interactions. The LEOs I have encountered were highly-trained professionals who lived by the motto "to protect and serve". My prayers go out to every one of the people who do their jobs and risk their lives to protect and serve us. As a taxpayer and citizen, I will do everything I can to maintain the relationship that holds my community together.

If my dear father (who was a state policeman many many years ago) were alive today I am convinced he would be just as horrified as we are at the behavior of these four Conans.

 

[Cubby]

It's no different than them now saying someone died from Pneumonia or Respiratory Problems, when it was really the Coronavirus which caused those issues in the first place.

Whatever condition Mr. Floyd may have had, it was a direct result of the officer's actions that he died.

I thought the exact same thing. I'm awaiting the results of the second autopsy.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Has this ME really said ‘There’s no evidence of asphyxia’ -there’s a freaking video!!!
I hope Dr Boden sees this as the rest of the world does, I’m glad the family demanded a second autopsy.. no evidence of asphyxia... no just a 9 minute video of Chauvin slowly murdering George, despite his pleas, in broad daylight, in the presence of other officers NONE of whom took action to stop what was happening.

If this is how angry we, as the general public are about this atrocity then I can’t even begin to imagine how George’s family feel right now. His life taken so brutally over a $20 bill.

 

[Charlot123]

It's no different than them now saying someone died from Pneumonia or Respiratory Problems, when it was really the Coronavirus which caused those issues in the first place.

Whatever condition Mr. Floyd may have had, it was a direct result of the officer's actions that he died.

The most probable cause of death, if not asphyxia, statistically, could be pulmonary embolism or a heart attack. Or a major trauma to neck and upper chest.

But if a visibly healthy and perfectly OK person walks normally, and in 9 minutes of a policeman standing on his neck and upper body ends up dead, and there are signs of trauma and PE or a heart attack on the autopsy, the conclusion is that police treatment and resulting trauma caused PE or a heart attack.

[It is even more complicated if the person dies from a heart attack, the typical indicators (necrosis area) may have no time to develop yet.]

Also, at Mr. Floyd’s age, most people would show signs of atherosclerosis on autopsies, and yes, people might use substances. Question is, how much longer would have Mr. Floyd live were it not for police brutality?

Average life expectancy of an African-American man is 69.1 year. George Floyd was 46.

And also - the coroner should have seen signs of trauma to the soft tissues. He can not unsee it. It should be in the report.

 

[Niner]

I haven't seen a date yet and nothing on the MN online court site. http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/default.aspx

Thanks for the link! I can access it!!! YEA!!!