MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #13

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  • #681
About DR.

He lives in a tiny town. Small places have little going on.

No one is a saint. Anything is of interest, even if it is that someone has baked a new kind of pie.

It is strange to me that no one has any anecdotes about DR on the net .

Maybe because it simply just isn't there. He's a middle aged single man who lives with his elderly parents on a farm. He's been a teacher since the 1970's. He has a clean record as a teacher. Nothing came from the digs on his property. Maybe it's time to focus energy on other people.
 
  • #682
Maybe because it simply just isn't there. He's a middle aged single man who lives with his elderly parents on a farm. He's been a teacher since the 1970's. He has a clean record as a teacher. Nothing came from the digs on his property. Maybe it's time to focus energy on other people.

DR, DAH, Vernon Seitz and 70 priests are sitting on my pool table right now.
 
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  • #684
Do the non-working monks and priests have access to cars?
 
  • #685
Really hard to do a thorough job on a case when so much information has not been released. I think it stinks. No, they don't "owe" us anything. Oh but they owe the Wetterling's answers. And judging from the amount of time that's passed, it's not lookin' real good that the truth will be forthcoming anytime soon. Lies by omission and commission. Let's face it, there are times when justice cannot be had -- loopholes, lies and lassitude -- deceit, dereliction of duty and denial -- scapegoats, secrets and senseless suffering ... the guilty will be held accountable in the clutch of time in the waning days of the their lives -- and I say lives plural because those who have stifled the truth and withheld pertinent information are perpetrators of injustice too
 
  • #686
Do the non-working monks and priests have access to cars?

Yes, they do, because they still run errands, visit friends and family etc etc --
 
  • #687
ThePhantom

Human was that sketch solely for the Wetterling case?

I think it was for Jared/Jacob, but I always thought the sketch was generated by Jared.

Anyone else with a better memory?

The sketch was generated by Jared working with the FBI. When Jared's attack occurred, a sketch was done by a local sketch artist. When Jacob was abducted, because authorities believed that Jacob's abduction may well have been conducted by the same perpetrator, they went to Jared and a sketch artist was brought in from the FBI in Washington, DC, who worked with Jared to make the sketch. It's been described as an intense 10 hour project. So, the sketch was generated by Jared describing his abductor, and for the most part, it's been considered as a suspect sketch for Jacob's abductor.
 
  • #688
Really hard to do a thorough job on a case when so much information has not been released. I think it stinks. No, they don't "owe" us anything. Oh but they owe the Wetterling's answers. And judging from the amount of time that's passed, it's not lookin' real good that the truth will be forthcoming anytime soon. Lies by omission and commission. Let's face it, there are times when justice cannot be had -- loopholes, lies and lassitude -- deceit, dereliction of duty and denial -- scapegoats, secrets and senseless suffering ... the guilty will be held accountable in the clutch of time in the waning days of the their lives -- and I say lives plural because those who have stifled the truth and withheld pertinent information are perpetrators of injustice too

Public authorities are 'authorized' by the public, they're paid and basically employed, by the public. With a public position of authority there is a responsibility to the public. The general community is affected by crime; they do owe accountability to the public.
 
  • #689
I'm certain the entire LE agency of Stearns Co knows about WS and has read posts about the non-transparency and non-release of documents about the Wetterling case. We can all see where this has gone and can also surmise nothing is about to change.
 
  • #690
Correct. I did the pictures as "snips" from the video when paused, saved them, then opened them in MS Paint and did the arrows etc.

Thanks a lot. Coincidentally, not too long after I asked that in my post, I just started pointing&clicking and experimenting and actually found the same method. But, I had no idea where I was going, till I got there. One other note; as I pointed out in one of my PM's about how when you pause the video, the screen darkens, etc, and then you have to manipulate the mouse to get the screen to come back to light; I've noticed since then, by experimenting, that you can take the 'screen-shot' while the video is playing; so, you don't have to pause it to take the shot. If you know the part that you want captured, just hit the PrntScrn key then, and you have the same result. In a way that's better than pausing, because, sometimes, you don't get it paused exactly where you want it.

x Driveway 1 w rectangle graphics.png x Driveway 2 w rectangle graphics.png x Driveway 6.png x Driveway 9.png

This post is something that I've thought more than twice about posting, because it seems like it could cause confusion, and/or, it may be something that won't bring any real answers to anything. However, I decided to go ahead and post it, in the concept of considering that the case, we're discussing, is over 25 yrs old, and not only unsolved, but, really pretty much nowhere, as far as we know, towards a resolution; and that, All Evidence should be taken into consideration, for what it's worth.

Also, it's pretty hard for me to spell out, my concerns with this information. To some extent, it's really, if nothing else, just what I consider to be an illustration of how, what I pretty much consider to be the most significant source of evidence was poorly preserved and processed. The Driveway!

The following screen-print is from the same video that was recently illustrated in Tracker's post #604. Actually, I believe there is more than one video available, with the same footage (no pun intended). It's the 4th video on this page, and as far as I have found, it's the best footage of DR's driveway. http://www.kare11.com/story/news/cr...ors-take-fresh-look-at-similar-cases/9064905/

There is red crime scene tape seen laying on the driveway, going across the screen, left to right. The same footage shows some of the plaster-casts that were taken, laying on the ground. It seems likely that this footage was taken the day after the abduction, while authorities were processing the scene. Some of the prints are likely that of LE that was processing the scene.

I want to throw this out, to see whether anything here seems to be worth considering by anyone here.

In addition to the two prints described by Tracker; I'm looking at two other prints, or possible prints. While I'm not certain of the significance, I'm throwing it out, just to include it 'for the record' so-to-speak, and consideration. Maybe someone else, will see something of significance here.

The print toward the upper-left, steps right into the tire print. So, I'm assuming that it was made by one of the investigators.

The print more toward the lower-center, is hard to see. This is one that I'm actually curious to see what others say, for the most part Tracker. But, in any case, I'm putting it out for discussion. It's possible that to others it may simply not be considered as an actual shoe print. It's a tough one. The more I look at it, I find it hard to dismiss, at least the possibility that it is in fact a shoe print.

One notable feature of this 'print' is that it is very wide, like extra-wide. But, at the same time, given the proportionality of a shoe print; wide or not, it seems most likely that it is a shoe print.

Also, the lower part of this 'print' is stepped over, by the narrow print, going right to left, in the lower part of the picture, that was described by Tracker as like a crepe sole.

It looks to me like a right foot print which pretty much just right behind the back end of Jacob's print.

I'm including two different graphics with slightly different highlighting, in case, anyone finds one more useful than that other. I also, just edited to add two more graphics, one of the same screen shot w/o markings and one showing the plaster casts mentioned above.

Any thoughts, comments?
 
  • #691
It does make sense that LE wouldn't have shared info about the Paynesville attacks with a 12 year old boy, IMO. I get the sense from various news articles that LE looked briefly at those Paynesville attacks, decided they weren't related to Jacob or Jared, and stopped looking at them.

I don't get that about that...he was an unknowing, innocent boy who was RAPED-that had to be shocking enough for him...yet LE can't share any similar stories of other boys who had the same thing happen to them or maybe even less? ....LE questioned Jared to the point of mental exhaustion until his parents said enough is enough. If LE was working to that extent...why not mention the Paynesville cases? And why didn't Jared know about these cases until he was in his 30's? Seems odd on the surface.
 
  • #692
Dave K...your post #690....I said it long ago on WS....the story of Jacob's abduction was on that driveway. If you can decipher the mess of print evidence as pictured on the available photos I fully support you-and good luck. Maybe you'll find something others have not....but I'm not too confidant the driveway was preserved to reflect the crime scene as it happened.
 
  • #693
Dave K, I think that is a great discovery that hasn't been noticed here yet. While looking at this image I'm wondering if I am noticing a tire coming to a stop and going again-

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  • #694
I agree Sasquatch...a very good observation on Dave K's and your part.
 
  • #695
I have a question regarding this photo....maybe Trackergd can answer it....which of the 3 plaster moulds represents Jacob's last footprint..if any?
 
  • #696
I have a question regarding this photo....maybe Trackergd can answer it....which of the 3 plaster moulds represents Jacob's last footprint..if any?

I'm going to say that the middle one is trying to capture both the last footprint and tire track together, but hopefully Tracker will chime in tomorrow.
 
  • #697
And 1 more last question: is the tire track as shown in the photo the driver's side or the passenger's side of the vehicle?
 
  • #698
Dave K, I think that is a great discovery that hasn't been noticed here yet. While looking at this image I'm wondering if I am noticing a tire coming to a stop and going again-

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Wow, ya know what, I hadn't even gotten that far yet, caught up in the other stuff. As you describe it, seems to make some sense to me. On something of that nature, we do want a professional's opinion, I'll be curious when Tracker has a chance to view them, but, again, as you describe it and have it outlined, does make sense to me. I don't see any other 'outside' influence that would cause that kind of 'discrepancy' in the track, without making More of a disturbance. I'll have to look at that more. It is worth while, to copy the prints and expand the size; on the ones I used, I didn't even expand the size that much, because I didn't really need to for what I was looking at. But, I think you re-sized them, larger, than the ones I put out. Several months ago, I had numerous broken/fractured ribs; I was able to get the x-rays on discs, and I finally figured out that you have to blow them up to a really unreal magnification, like 800% or something ridiculous; then you could really see what you were looking at. I'm gonna play around with these some more. Like I said, I hadn't gotten that far yet, basically caught up in what I was looking at, and wondering how to make a post of it. Thanks for the observation.
 
  • #699
And 1 more last question: is the tire track as shown in the photo the driver's side or the passenger's side of the vehicle?

That's a whole post in itself; and not a short or simple one. I see you're online now, so, I thought I'd throw this out, then I'll work on a response to that, and put it here.
 
  • #700
IMHO...the bottom cast(parallel to tire track) is for the tire track, the middle cast(perpendicular to tire track) is the perp footprint, and the top cast(perpendicular to the tire track) in the picture is Jacob's last footprint. This means the rear driver's side tire came to a stop between the 'bottom cast' and the 'middle cast'. I have deducted that the photo is looking east and thus indicating the tire track was proceeding east.
 
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