MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #15

[human]

I 100% agree with jewelia. I actually think DR would be more of a smart groomer type than an armed kidnapper. I disagree that you would need to be smart to be a brazen attacker. In fact, frequently they are lower in IQ (stranger rapists etc). I think the more intellectual man would be more of a groomer and molester of students etc. DR does not fit the bill. Just because he's a POI does not mean he's an actual suspect and does not mean there are no others that could have done it. he's the only one they've been able to identify as being there, but that does not mean much. Imo if he did it they would have already proven it and he would have already been arrested. Guys who do armed forcible kidnappings don't usually stop and live sweet innocent like lives for ever after (boy scout molesters would be able to do that). Someone who kills for sexual purposes is different. Not your priest or music teacher. More anger involved. I agree bahners are more likely or even the one who allegedly took the other boy, the one locked up in moose lake, or someone we have never heard of before.

He could be a groomer, but living with parents makes it hard to do that doesn't it?

 

[human]

Also, think about this: It doesn't take a very powerful person to know filthy dirt on a powerful person. Think about this: Why did R. Bahner only serve 2 years for something he should have been sentenced 30 years for? He's not powerful, and he may not directly know powerful people, but he may know enough about someone who is powerful, or someone with good social standing, who is connected to powerful people. The possibilities are many.

BCA, FBI, and several Sheriff's as well as NEMEC? Does that make any sense at all?

 

[Jewelia]

BCA, FBI, and several Sheriff's as well as NEMEC? Does that make any sense at all?

Let's hope with all of those different branches of LE involved that one or two bad guys/gals in LE won't matter, and they can still reach their main objective. Everything goes back to the SCSO, no matter what branch is invited in, or get involved. This doesn't mean this is factual, as none of us would know this unless it's exposed.

 

[human]

Let's hope with all of those different branches of LE involved that one or two bad guys/gals in LE won't matter, and they can still reach their main objective. Everything goes back to the SCSO, no matter what branch is invited in, or get involved. This doesn't mean this is factual, as none of us would know this unless it's exposed.

I think for a case of this magnitude, there are plenty of new people on board and they sure would like to crack it, wouldn't they? Think of the amount of people from Senators to Governors to NEMEC. They can't all be willing to remain quiet. Not possible.

 

[Jewelia]

I think for a case of this magnitude, there are plenty of new people on board and they sure would like to crack it, wouldn't they? Think of the amount of people from Senators to Governors to NEMEC. They can't all be willing to remain quiet. Not possible.

I didn't say all of them; I said it only takes one or two to make things difficult, or to possibly cover-up evidence. They're not going to share all evidence with the public.

I know there's been many investigators involved over the years. When they showed the Hunt episode regarding Jacob Wetterling, I was directed to NCMEC when I thought someone looked like the sketch, and they sent everything to the appropriate parties. However, people with tips can call directly to SCSO as well.

 

[tlcya]

Discuss the case please, not members. Thanks

 

[HEY YOU!]

There seems to be a discrepancy here between 2 reports of this incident...

In the interview Esme Murphy quoted DR:
"Rassier says after he searched the buildings on the farm property and returned to the farmhouse, law enforcement was everywhere".

In Joy's blog 'Dan's Story' Joy quotes DR:
"He heads down the road/driveway and searches the outbuildings. Every one of them. You would think there would be cops everywhere, but Dan said there were not. A helicopter was searching the woods and fields around his house, but as far as he knows, there were no cops who came down into the yard all night...just the few up by the woodpile earlier."

IMO, that is where the confusion in stories comes from. Not sure which version is correct, since they were both quoting DR?

These are my biggest issues with DR:

- Either there were cops everywhere or they were nowhere to be found, DR stated both to be true the night of the abduction.
- DR stated there was a small blue car that sped up and around the DR driveway with a small passenger covering his/her face at around the time of the abduction.
- DR also stated that the afternoon of the abduction there was a gold Monte Carlo that came up and around the driveway as well and stated that if we found the person who drove that car, we would find the perp. With DR's statements on just the cars alone, there should be 3 sets on unidentified tire tracks...not just one that later proved to be Kevin's.
- Although DR LATER discussed these other 2 cars with law enforcement/media, he did NOT MENTION EITHER CAR the night of Jacob's abduction when he called 911 and was told that a boy was abducted from his driveway earlier that night.
- When interviewed by Esme Murphy about why he didn't want to help search and went back to bed, he stated that he didn't want to 'waste his time.' Who says that after an 11 year old boy has been kidnapped from your property? That is the age of the kids that he teaches.
- Not once did DR reach out to the Wetterling family after all these years. He never called, searched, wrote a note or dropped by expressing his concern as a neighbor for what happened on his driveway that night. Not One Time.
- He kept clippings and wrote a journal regarding Jacob's abduction which cops confiscated along with various other items which have not been returned.
- This was a crime of opportunity. The perp had to be familiar with the area. The perp had to see the boys leaving in order to know which way they would be coming back.
- The perp felt he could be recognized and put a black stocking over his face. Who else had a black stocking readily available for this crime of opportunity on a dead end street?
- The perp told boys to run into the woods. It was pitch black. Perp would HAVE to know area in order to know where the woods were.
- Perp was VERY comfortable laying in wait in the dark for the boys to get back. So comfortable on the DR driveway that he walked Jacob up a considerable distance with a gun to his back with no worries that he would be found out by the owner of said driveway.
- Patty Wetterling wrote a letter to DR asking what happened that night, he refused to respond.

 

[mamamumbles]

In one of DR's interviews with the news he said he met patty for coffee? I'm almost positive he said that. I'll have to find the newscast online again.

 

[Sasquatch321]

I do believe when Kevin came forward that they strategically went back and interviewed DR without telling him they did find Kevin yet. Hence the sudden changing of stories, hence you're busted buddy. The process in dealing with a problem like this is grueling.

 

[shergal]

In one of DR's interviews with the news he said he met patty for coffee? I'm almost positive he said that. I'll have to find the newscast online again.

No, the only time DR met with Patty was when they bumped into each other outside the health club/gym. Then they talked for at least an hour. Patty asked him then if he did it, or if it was a prank gone wrong. He has never met with her otherwise or responded to any of the letters she wrote to him.

 

[HEY YOU!]

In one of DR's interviews with the news he said he met patty for coffee? I'm almost positive he said that. I'll have to find the newscast online again.

Patty 'bumped into him' outside of his health club and asked to speak to him regarding that night. He agreed and they had a conversation that Patty initiated. She had previously written to him and he declined to answer her letter asking him what he saw the night of the abduction since he was home. Why wouldn't he answer that letter?

 

[Trino]

Patty 'bumped into him' outside of his health club and asked to speak to him regarding that night. He agreed and they had a conversation that Patty initiated. She had previously written to him and he declined to answer her letter.

I think one who is a potential suspect needs to be very careful. Talking with anyone could be destructive if a person takes a statement the wrong way. If you recall, after DR and PW talked and DR mentioned the gravel pit, there was a search of the Rassier farm. Did PW suggest this to LE? DR was more of a "sort of neighbor," a neighbor by proximity, one who had not interacted with the Wetterling family previously.

 

[HEY YOU!]

I think one who is a potential suspect needs to be very careful. Talking with anyone could be destructive if a person takes a statement the wrong way. If you recall, after DR and PW talked and DR mentioned the gravel pit, there was a search of the Rassier farm. Did PW suggest this to LE? DR was more of a "sort of neighbor," a neighbor by proximity, one who had not interacted with the Wetterling family previously.

I totally get that but it was many years later that Patty bumped into him and had that conversation. It has been said that DR is odd and unsociable and that was the reason for no interaction with any of the Wetterlings. However, he has had no issue in writing over 14 letters to various law enforcement agencies or sitting in front of a camera for interviews. The reason for not contacting the Wetterlings being that your unsociable goes out the window when you are sitting willingly on the evening news discussing the case.

 

[shergal]

I think one who is a potential suspect needs to be very careful. Talking with anyone could be destructive if a person takes a statement the wrong way. If you recall, after DR and PW talked and DR mentioned the gravel pit, there was a search of the Rassier farm. Did PW suggest this to LE? DR was more of a "sort of neighbor," a neighbor by proximity, one who had not interacted with the Wetterling family previously.

You have to wonder how else a comment like "someone could have buried a body in our gravel pit" could be taken. If my son was missing and someone said that to me, you can be darn sure I'd mention it to LE! IF Patty did suggest it to LE, I can certainly understand why.

 

[Trino]

I totally get that but it was many years later that Patty bumped into him and had that conversation. It has been said that DR is odd and unsociable and that was the reason for no interaction with any of the Wetterlings. However, he has had no issue in writing over 14 letters to various law enforcement agencies or sitting in front of a camera for interviews. The reason for not contacting the Wetterlings being that your unsociable goes out the window when you are sitting willingly on the evening news discussing the case.

I believe he wrote the letters in 2012. That's a long time after the abduction. He asked LE to either charge him or change the POI status. I completely agree with his request. Enough is enough, assuming his innocence.

 

[human]

I think one who is a potential suspect needs to be very careful. Talking with anyone could be destructive if a person takes a statement the wrong way. If you recall, after DR and PW talked and DR mentioned the gravel pit, there was a search of the Rassier farm. Did PW suggest this to LE? DR was more of a "sort of neighbor," a neighbor by proximity, one who had not interacted with the Wetterling family previously.

I really doubt that Patty could get the state to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to search that property without a heck of a good reason. And DR stating something like Jacob could be buried in the gravel pit does not cut it for me. I bet there were hundreds of tips as to where Jacob is. Did LE spend thousands looking at every idea? I doubt it.

Sher has stated how her friends that lived in the neighborhood were searched so often that they gave the sheriif the key to their house.

DR was not named POI until after a search in 2010. Dare I say, who even knew who he was until then.

When LE comes onto the R property, the mother has a breakdown.

Why? Sher's friends gave LE the key to their house. DR's family has a breakdown. Why????

 

[human]

I totally get that but it was many years later that Patty bumped into him and had that conversation. It has been said that DR is odd and unsociable and that was the reason for no interaction with any of the Wetterlings. However, he has had no issue in writing over 14 letters to various law enforcement agencies or sitting in front of a camera for interviews. The reason for not contacting the Wetterlings being that your unsociable goes out the window when you are sitting willingly on the evening news discussing the case.

And he teaches in many different venues and performs. Hard to reconcile all of those things.

 

[simonsez]

No, the only time DR met with Patty was when they bumped into each other outside the health club/gym. Then they talked for at least an hour. Patty asked him then if he did it, or if it was a prank gone wrong. He has never met with her otherwise or responded to any of the letters she wrote to him.

You mean the letter(s) in which Patty asks DR to confess? (See Shergal's post on 06-13-2014, 12:29 PM)

IMO, Patty (likely with the help of LE) set up DR at the gym and the LE used bits and pieces of the conversation (and subsequent "signs") to put together a search warrant that will be considered laughable if ever revealed.

 

[ELOCsoul]

I totally get that but it was many years later that Patty bumped into him and had that conversation. It has been said that DR is odd and unsociable and that was the reason for no interaction with any of the Wetterlings. However, he has had no issue in writing over 14 letters to various law enforcement agencies or sitting in front of a camera for interviews. The reason for not contacting the Wetterlings being that your unsociable goes out the window when you are sitting willingly on the evening news discussing the case.

To clarify, DR wrote just one letter. He sent the letter to multiple agencies.

 

[MotherOcean]

These are my biggest issues with DR:

- Either there were cops everywhere or they were nowhere to be found, DR stated both to be true the night of the abduction.
- DR stated there was a small blue car that sped up and around the DR driveway with a small passenger covering his/her face at around the time of the abduction.
- DR also stated that the afternoon of the abduction there was a gold Monte Carlo that came up and around the driveway as well and stated that if we found the person who drove that car, we would find the perp. With DR's statements on just the cars alone, there should be 3 sets on unidentified tire tracks...not just one that later proved to be Kevin's.
- Although DR LATER discussed these other 2 cars with law enforcement/media, he did NOT MENTION EITHER CAR the night of Jacob's abduction when he called 911 and was told that a boy was abducted from his driveway earlier that night.
- When interviewed by Esme Murphy about why he didn't want to help search and went back to bed, he stated that he didn't want to 'waste his time.' Who says that after an 11 year old boy has been kidnapped from your property? That is the age of the kids that he teaches.
- Not once did DR reach out to the Wetterling family after all these years. He never called, searched, wrote a note or dropped by expressing his concern as a neighbor for what happened on his driveway that night. Not One Time.
- He kept clippings and wrote a journal regarding Jacob's abduction which cops confiscated along with various other items which have not been returned.
- This was a crime of opportunity. The perp had to be familiar with the area. The perp had to see the boys leaving in order to know which way they would be coming back.
- The perp felt he could be recognized and put a black stocking over his face. Who else had a black stocking readily available for this crime of opportunity on a dead end street?
- The perp told boys to run into the woods. It was pitch black. Perp would HAVE to know area in order to know where the woods were.
- Perp was VERY comfortable laying in wait in the dark for the boys to get back. So comfortable on the DR driveway that he walked Jacob up a considerable distance with a gun to his back with no worries that he would be found out by the owner of said driveway.
- Patty Wetterling wrote a letter to DR asking what happened that night, he refused to respond.

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