MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[GeeButtersnaps]

Here's the bottom line: right is right and wrong is wrong. That should be all that matters in all these cases. And the way you know what's right and what's wrong is by the FACTS. I usually support LE because the facts show they did the right thing no matter how many people ignore those facts for their own agenda. Then the other side of it: Philando Castile taught me that letting a cop know I have a concealed carry permit as a courtesy (which I do) could get me shot MULTIPLE times and killed. WHY? Facts show there is NO JUSTIFICATION for that whatsoever. Now this poor woman teaches us we can't even try to help someone else by calling and then talking to police without getting gunned down?? I'm simplifying it but this has me furious. I can not see one FACT they can give us to make this shooting even remotely justified. Unless there's something that no one has reported on at all yet that she did. But we have to get to the point where more of us are smart enough to react to the facts. We can't scream and yell at every police shooting because more often than not they are justified. But at the same time we can't blindly say all police do is ok because then you say any of us can be killed for no reason and there will be no accountability like in Philando Castile's case. Think of the terrible precedent that sets..sorry I don't usually go off like this but I can't for the life of me understand this..and we're heading down a much darker path if this is continued to be allowed. Worst part is you have too many idiots who think killing cops is the answer which makes me even sicker..ugh ok shutting up now.


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[flourish]

I was shocked when law enforcement officers threatened to forcefully move my body in order to enter my home when they apparently got a call that there was a loud argument in my apartment... Where I was home alone with my cats. I didn't have a chance to call 911 because they knocked twice then began threatening to knock my door down... Mind you it was the middle of the night and I thought they were drunk or crack heads at the wrong apartment... Anyway when I refused them entrance they argued then threatened to physically move me. I was like so you're going to physically assault me to confirm I'm not being physically assaulted and they were like we have that right. Yeah. Good times.

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[bluesneakers]

I believe because it's those very people who could never imagine themselves being screamed at or roughed up by a cop; that those things happen to other people.

I think they have to think like that because admitting it could happen to them is too much to deal with. Better to shut those thoughts down and blame the victims. That way they can feel okay and safe.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't think so much of our society have trouble admitting a cop is at fault. Maybe those who acquit the cop do but there's many riots and protests showing that many don't have problem admitting cops at fault.

There are more people defending them and supporting them, more people making excuses for cops who kill, than there are people trying to draw attention to the problem. The protests and riots are the reaction to the majority who deny there's a problem. They are a symptom of injustice.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I was shocked when law enforcement officers threatened to forcefully move my body in order to enter my home when they apparently got a call that there was a loud argument in my apartment... Where I was home alone with my cats. I didn't have a chance to call 911 because they knocked twice then began threatening to knock my door down... Mind you it was the middle of the night and I thought they were drunk or crack heads at the wrong apartment... Anyway when I refused them entrance they argued then threatened to physically move me. I was like so you're going to physically assault me to confirm I'm not being physically assaulted and they were like we have that right. Yeah. Good times.

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It's crazy town up in here now. I'm typically middle of the road with a slightly more right lean but this crap is out of hand now. I have stated in another thread how my son (he's brown) just started driving and the most important part of his parent taught drivers education has been how to be pulled over and what not to do. I'm scared for him every day and I never dreamed that would be something to worry about. I thought my biggest worries would be distracted driving. Nope. Now white women are getting shot.

 

[Betty P]

The link I posted clearly notes the police car was 100 yards from her home and in an alley. The police did not arrive at her home.

I just saw another map that shows them encountering her in the alley behind her home, then again farther down the alley. The story of the officers doesn't add up. There seem to be some pieces missing, so to speak. The killer and his partner were the only witnesses to the murder. Given they chose not to wear their cameras, it's right to question their story. This should be fully investigated by independent experts, from outside the PD.

 

[everybodhi]

I know that I have read among all the articles published that there was no audio recording. Now I can't find the article. I'm aware that the both body cams were not on and that the police camera did not capture the shooting. Unfortunately it does not say that the camera did not have audio.

Is there a link stating that there is actual audio recording of the shooting?

The audio is from the police radio, it's easier to find on the FB page than the website.

"The sequence of events was captured in part by police radio, published by website Minnesota PoliceClips, which records police-related media.

Officers responded to a report of a “female screaming behind the building.” Moments later, an officer reported “shots fired … one down at Washburn,” and an officer says he was performing CPR. About a minute after the shooting, an officer says there are “no suspects at large.”
BBM

http://m.startribune.com/minneapoli...entified/434975623/?section=local/minneapolis

 

[MIKAYOYO]

There are more people defending them and supporting them, more people making excuses for cops who kill, than there are people trying to draw attention to the problem. The protests and riots are the reaction to the majority who deny there's a problem. They are a symptom of injustice.

Well I admittedly haven't really paid much attention until I've been put into that hypothetical situation lately. I had on rose glasses I guess. Reality bites.

 

[Jennifer17]

If I lived in the US, this could have happened to me. A few years ago, I was putting the garbage out at about 11pm and a car came screaming up the road and crashed into the front rooms of a holiday house, two houses down and across the intersection. Three young men got out of the car and ran off down the road. I called the police and they were there within minutes (must have been somewhere close), I flagged them down and told them the men were running down the road. They caught two of them, but not the third. The two that they caught were hiding in yards with dogs and they were barking their heads off and the third must have been lucky that he hid in a yard without a dog.
I would never have occurred to me that I would have been in danger.

 

[Jennifer17]

Well I admittedly haven't really paid much attention until I've been put into that hypothetical situation lately. I had on rose glasses I guess. Reality bites.

You must have noticed that the person shot has had his criminal records published as if because he had once committed a crime, he deserved to be shot.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, police work is hard. My Dad was a cop and never once fired his weapon while on duty. No one needs to explain that being an LEO is a dangerous job. It is what they sign up for. They get training on how and when to use deadly force, and they should live and breathe that training, like it's muscle memory; automatic response.

Unfortunately, there are many, many cops who just shouldn't be on the beat with a weapon. They don't have the steady nerves or the people skills to handle certain situations. They should have desk jobs instead. Then, there are the bad cops, and let me tell you, if you had any idea how many bad cops were on your local police force, you'd never leave your house. They are in every city, they cover for each other. Sorry if this bursts your bubble or makes you clutch your pearls, but it's true. They go their whole careers dirty and don't get caught.

I'm getting off topic here, but I am astounded that this thread has this much attention when unarmed people are killed over and over and over and there's hardly a blip on the radar.

One thing I thought was strange in this situation is that BOTH the cops were almost rookies. I am used to seeing new cops paired up with older more experienced ones. One had 2 yrs experience and the driver had only one.

I think that some of the bigger cities are having a harder time getting quality applicants for their academies. And there has been a drain, as many street cops have found other ways to make a living because of the strained situation.

I know there are bad cops, I am not a pearl clutcher. In fact, I think I might be looking at one in this particular case...:thinking:

 

[Jennifer17]

The audio is from the police radio, it's easier to find on the FB page than the website.

"The sequence of events was captured in part by police radio, published by website Minnesota PoliceClips, which records police-related media.

Officers responded to a report of a “female screaming behind the building.” Moments later, an officer reported “shots fired … one down at Washburn,” and an officer says he was performing CPR. About a minute after the shooting, an officer says there are “no suspects at large.”
BBM

http://m.startribune.com/minneapoli...entified/434975623/?section=local/minneapolis

That depends on what you call a suspect, though. BBM

 

[katydid23]

I can already feel this is going to turn into a race thing. [emoji20] This black cop may end up being at fault for shooting a white woman whereas the many cops that have shot black men walk. More unrest to add to the racial inequality and tension. Our country is in a sad state of affairs right now. [emoji17][emoji17]

You don't think he should be ?

 

[katydid23]

Maybe. But with concealed carry in MN, her reporting a possible crime, and walkng down an alley, it is conceivable that she could have a gun and could have been using drugs or alcohol,

If she lived in North Minneapolis and had brown skin, these are the kinds of things people would be questioning about her. Did she reek of marijuana or alcohol? Did she have a black cellphone that looked like a gun or could have been perceived as a gun? Those would have been asked by people on here if she had been brown skinned.

People have been asking if she had been drinking or high and if he saw her cell and mistook it for a gun.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

You must have noticed that the person shot has had his criminal records published as if because he had once committed a crime, he deserved to be shot.

Perhaps you didn't read my post thoroughly when I said I admittedly haven't paid much attention until my own son could be target. So no, I didn't notice that.

 

[MyBelle]

It has been reported in multiple msm sources that she was the one who called 911.

The father's son has said she is the one who called 911 but police have not confirmed it nor have they released the 911 call.

 

[mrsu]

You don't think he should be ?

No, I didn't mean that.

 

[cattlekate]

http://www.startribune.com/read-the...-police-shooting-of-justine-damond/435020113/

Transcript of audio. I think this is immediately after the shooting and car 530 is the shooter's car. I don't get why dispatch starts out with what the initial visit was about (screaming woman) but maybe that's how they do things when responding to a car calling in.

 

[Jennifer17]

You don't think he should be ?

It is a bit of a mess. An Australian woman, shot by a Somali born policeman in the US. Many layers, none of which may mean anything, but lots for people to comment on, negatively or postively.

 

[Jennifer17]

The father's son has said she is the one who called 911 but police have not confirmed it nor have they released the 911 call.

You have posted your doubts before about if she was the one who called 911. Why are you doubting that?