MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[bluesneakers]

Reminds me of watching the video of Philando Castile. Yanez partner was running away when Yanez shot. It was crazy! You know something is wrong when the partner isn't on guard with their gun pulled as well.

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I'm really interested in what he has to say, and if he was afraid he was going to get shot too.

 

[drelaw]

What I recently learned - if a cop knocks on your door (for whatever reason, even if they claim to have a warrant) do not open the door. If they don't go away, call 911 and ask if an officer is supposed to be at your door. The 911 operator should call the officer and you will hear him or her get the call. If 911 says no cop should be there and/or the officer doesn't get a call from 911 keep the door closed and tell 911 to send an officer.

It sounds crazy, I know, but it's an effective way to keep yourself safe.

If the officers have a valid warrant and you refuse them entry, police can make a forceful entry under well established exceptions to the warrant requirement of the constitution so by taking the time to call or refusing entry until another officer gets there could just lead to your door being broken down or a forceful entry.

The best way to deal with such a situation would simply be to ask to see the warrant


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[DatelineFan]

What side could there possibly be? There was a woman in her pajamas. She wasn't armed. What could possibly justify shooting her?

Exactly! Shades of sweet Jordan Edwards. Sometimes there's no way to justify what is so clearly wrong.

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[blue22]

Apologies if already posted.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/2d2486888c0c6d8fa1ca3d8f4bc7df91



Makes me wonder if multiple shots were actually fired...

I don't know what to think about the whole situation! However, she could have had other gunshot wounds that did not contribute to her death...aka weren't fatal. Or, multiple shots were fired, but only one made contact with her.

So many questions.

 

[bluesneakers]

If the officers have a valid warrant and you refuse them entry, police can make a forceful entry under well established exceptions to the warrant requirement of the constitution so by taking the time to call or refusing entry until another officer gets there could just lead to your door being broken down or a forceful entry.

The best way to deal with such a situation would simply be to ask to see the warrant


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If they have a warrant they're coming in no matter what. I'm still calling 911.

 

[DatelineFan]

Whatever he was thinking, how is it going to justify shooting an unarmed woman? Are cops allowed to shoot people for no real reason, but because of what they are thinking?

Yes. Philando Castile taught us that they absolutely can.

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[Tippy Lynn]

http://mnpoliceclips.com/Minneapolis-----XX-Washburn-Ave-S---ShootingIt-sounds-.html

Can anyone familiar with police scanners make sense of the audio? To me, it sounds like this is dispatch talking to another car, arriving shortly after the shooting, and confirming "shots fired" and "one down."

It's hard to be certain without hearing what car (unit) took the initial call, but it sounds to me that 530 was either the second car (unit) on the scene or it was MH and his partner MN.

 

[bluesneakers]

It's interesting how some people have a natural sort of trust of police officers while others have a general feeling of distrust.

I wonder why that might be.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes. Philando Castile taught us that they absolutely can.

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There are so many more names. They can shoot people for no reason other than what they are thinking or because they see something that looks like it might be something else.

 

[TiffanyL_AS]

Startle a cop, get murdered.

How disgusting. I'm so sad for this woman and her family. She was only trying to help someone...


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[HoneyWest]

There are so many more names. They can shoot people for no reason other than what they are thinking or because they see something that looks like it might be something else.

Or simply have a mental illness. How many times have we heard about a cop killing someone who was mentally ill and unarmed? Zachary Bearheels is the first to come to mind. Omaha isn't even charging the cops who killed him with anything.

That's why a culture of mistrust has been building toward the police. Also, IMO, there are too many people on the force who aren't fit to responsibly handle delicate situations without firing their weapons.

 

[DatelineFan]

There are so many more names. They can shoot people for no reason other than what they are thinking or because they see something that looks like it might be something else.

Oh, absolutely! I could sit and start naming them, and be here for hours.

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[HoneyWest]

Apologies if already posted.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/2d2486888c0c6d8fa1ca3d8f4bc7df91



Makes me wonder if multiple shots were actually fired...

Same. And according to the linked daily telegraph article, her death has been ruled a homicide. I want to know why and how it's been ruled a homicide.

 

[katydid23]

Or simply have a mental illness. How many times have we heard about a cop killing someone who was mentally ill and unarmed? Zachary Bearheels is the first to come to mind. Omaha isn't even charging the cops who killed him with anything.

That's why a culture of mistrust has been building toward the police. Also, IMO, there are too many people on the force who aren't fit to responsibly handle delicate situations without firing their weapons.

But to be fair to officers in general, it is really difficult because one makes split second decisions under high pressure situations, which have life and death implications. And those high powered stressful situations are sandwiched by hours of routinely dull situations---so it is hard.

And in the back of the officers minds, there are the recent shootings of cops, where they are set up, ambushed, blindsided, etc, shot by snipers, or by people randomly walking by...So this frightening possibility is always putting them at high alert...

I am NOT defending this situation because at this time, it does not seem like there was any logical reason for this officer to have shot his weapon ---although maybe some new info may pop up...

I am just responding to the statement that there are too many officers who cannot handle sensitive situations...I think that there is a PTSD type of situation that is created, and sometimes things go sideways...

 

[Jennifer17]

Same. And according to the linked daily telegraph article, her death has been ruled a homicide. I want to know why and how it's been ruled a homicide.

That is strange.

 

[blue22]

Same. And according to the linked daily telegraph article, her death has been ruled a homicide. I want to know why and how it's been ruled a homicide.

Because it is a homicide. Homicide is a death caused by someone else. She was shot by another human being, and dies from it. Homicide is not inherently criminal.

 

[lonetraveler]

Same. And according to the linked daily telegraph article, her death has been ruled a homicide. I want to know why and how it's been ruled a homicide.

Homicide just means that a human was killed by another human. Doesn't necessarily mean a murder occurred.

 

[HoneyWest]

Because it is a homicide. Homicide is a death caused by someone else. She was shot by another human being, and dies from it. Homicide is not inherently criminal.

hmm so the coroner can determine the death to be just "homicide", but it wouldn't be known if it was criminal or justifiable until after a full investigation?

 

[katydid23]

hmm so the coroner can determine the death to be just "homicide", but it wouldn't be known if it was criminal or justifiable until after a full investigation?

Right. He didn't say if it was justified or criminal. I don't think the coroner makes that determination. He just says homicide or accidental or natural causes etc.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Justine Damond called police late Saturday night to report what she thought was a sexual assault occurring near the home she shared with her fiancé. But shortly after two officers arrived in her upscale Minneapolis neighborhood to investigate, the call turned deadly when one of the officers shot Damond.
Investigators remained tight-lipped Monday about what happened at 11:30 p.m. Saturday, when police received a 911 call about a possible assault in the alley behind Damond’s home.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...apolis-police-officer/?utm_term=.152ee3f81e89

In this article, several people reported to the post that the responding officers pulled up in the alley behind Damond's home. They claim she was talking to an officer before she was shot dead.

It's notable that there's little information coming forward especially when it appears the officer was at fault to a very high degree, they've run out of excuses.

Maybe, he was having a bad day or bored and playing with his loaded gun, which one sounds less offensive to Justine's family and the community?!