MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[Dushi]

Has it been reported how far away from the car she was when she was shot?

 

[Elley Mae]

I listened three times, i did not hear starting cpr.

If you listen to the audio you can clearly hear someone saying, "starting CPR". Primary evidence.....no need to rely on statements, however "first aid" and "medical attention" don't exclude CPR

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...io-australian-woman-audio-final-a7846561.html

 

[CoolJ]

It appears that medical aid was administered in this situation. I wish all the other policies were followed. FWIW - CPR was also administered on Philando Castile. This seems to be one policy that's followed and not just on paper.

Maybe it is just in Minnesota. I can show you numerous killings by cop where they just let the victim bleed out. But they do take the time to handcuff them.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Has it been reported how far away from the car she was when she was shot?

I was wondering the same thing. I haven't seen anything released regarding specific distance.

 

[Karinna]

K_Z said absolutely not. Still waiting to hear if K_Z is a medical doctor or not as many here believe she is.

Hi CoolJ, I am wondering because Justine was shot in the abdomen if the bullet could of hit her Abdominal Aorta?
(quote)
The abdominal aorta is the largest artery in the abdominal cavity. As part of the aorta, it is a direct continuation of the descending aorta (of the thorax).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdominal_aorta

 

[PrairieWind]

I just cannot visualize how this happened. There is a body/person walking towards a car, headlights are on, could the occupants not be able to see that it was a female in PJ’s? Regardless of any loud noise that was heard?
She had to have been in those headlights for however long it took her to get to the driver’s side window which was down. I can’t get the photo of Justine and Don out of my mind. They look so happy.
I just cannot think of any scenario that would give this policeman the right to shoot her. Again another innocent life has ended.

I think she approached from the side of the car, and was never in the headlights, even if those headlights were on (which there seems to be some confusion over). But it really doesnt matter. I fail to see how Noor can justify the shooting. He has to identify the target before firing and he didn't. His refusal to give a statement in my opinion indicates that he knows he will be charged and I think it almost guaranties that he will.

 

[Karinna]

Maybe it is just in Minnesota. I can show you numerous killings by cop where they just let the victim bleed out. But they do take the time to handcuff them.

You are exactly right. Terrible isn't it,

 

[Karinna]

I think she approached from the side of the car, and was never in the headlights, even if those headlights were on (which there seems to be some confusion over). But it really doesnt matter. I fail to see how Noor can justify the shooting. He has to identify the target before firing and he didn't. His refusal to give a statement in my opinion indicates that he knows he will be charged and I think it almost guaranties that he will.

I hope he is charged and removed from LE.

 

[RandomName479]

I listened three times, i did not hear starting cpr.

Officer says "530 - starting CPR" right around the 40 second mark

 

[Betty P]

I think she approached from the side of the car, and was never in the headlights, even if those headlights were on (which there seems to be some confusion over). But it really doesnt matter. I fail to see how Noor can justify the shooting. He has to identify the target before firing and he didn't. His refusal to give a statement in my opinion indicates that he knows he will be charged and I think it almost guaranties that he will.

The neighbors stated the alley is well lit. There are 4 different street lights. To claim this murder happened due to fear of an ambush is ludicrous. It was a safe, low-crime neighborhood. No excuses.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/2...y-disputes-officers-ambush-fears-as-ludicrous

Remy Cross, a criminologist at Webster University in suburban St. Louis, said the fear can become a “self-feeding, self-fulfilling prophecy” when law enforcement officers feel they always need to be on guard against people who might be targeting them.

David Klinger, a professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of Missouri in St. Louis, said it would make no sense for Noor to have his gun out because it wasn’t a “hot call,” such as a report of shots fired.

And it’s also unusual, but not unheard of, for officers to turn their lights out to make a “dark and silent approach” if they’re trying to conceal themselves, said Jens David Ohlin, vice dean of the Cornell Law School in Ithaca, New York.

 

[GarAndTeed]

The problem is they weren't investigating an address, but essentially a neighborhood or the alley or such.

<snip> From Iowa City, Iowa, comes a case that would have sent chills up the spines of the Founding Fathers.

Eric Shaw, a 31-year-old sculptor, was alone in his studio between 11:30 and midnight on Aug. 29. The weather was warm and Mr. Shaw had left the door to the studio ajar, hoping to catch a breeze. He had taken a break from work and was sitting at his desk, just a few feet from the door, talking to his best friend on the telephone. The friend was trying to console Mr. Shaw, who was unhappy over a recent breakup with his girlfriend. Mr. Shaw had no idea that while he was talking officers of the Iowa City police were gathering outside.

The police would say later that there had been several burglaries in the neighborhood in which Mr. Shaw's studio was located. When they saw Mr. Shaw's door ajar, they drew certain conclusions.

Police Officer Jeffrey Gillaspie, a three-year veteran of the force, pulled his 40-caliber semiautomatic service revolver, pushed Mr. Shaw's door the rest of the way open, and without uttering a single word, without so much as a nod in the direction of civil rights or civil liberties, shot Mr. Shaw in the heart. Mr. Shaw screamed, and then died. <snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/17/opinion/killer-cop.html?mcubz=1

Note 2nd paragraph in re: supposed burglaries in neighborhood. I lived close to the site where Eric was shot, and was unaware of any burglaries in the area. Furthermore, I fail to understand why the police felt it was acceptable to kick open the door of a privately owned business (Eric's father also ran his vending machine business out of this building), and to shoot Mr. Shaw.
This case was never even sent to a grand jury, nor was Officer Gillaspie charged, or even disciplined. I post this article simply to illustrate how police can seemingly "get away" with shooting citizens unjustifiably, and to point out that this has been occurring for many years...and, IMO, must be stopped.
JMHO.
Thanks, and please know my intent is NOT to stir up controversy.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Here is one possibility based on the limited amount of info we have. Please feel free to correct me if I have my facts wrong.

Cops drive into the alley with at least one window rolled down to investigate. They don&#8217;t hear anything so they decide to drive around to the front where I presume the front door is, to speak to the caller. Damond sees this from the alley and thinks they may me leaving so she either approaches the car or even knocks on the window or fender. When she get close to or at the window the officer who is already concerned about his safety since he has his gun drawn panics and shoots. To me he either has absolutely no care or concern for his partner or he was afraid because shooting in the car that close to the partner was extremely dangerous to the driver. Either way he was not fit to carry a gun and needs to be held accountable. As I&#8217;ve said it the past this department will do more harm if they try to circle the wagons and make excuses for this guy

 

[Betty P]

<snip> From Iowa City, Iowa, comes a case that would have sent chills up the spines of the Founding Fathers.

Eric Shaw, a 31-year-old sculptor, was alone in his studio between 11:30 and midnight on Aug. 29. The weather was warm and Mr. Shaw had left the door to the studio ajar, hoping to catch a breeze. He had taken a break from work and was sitting at his desk, just a few feet from the door, talking to his best friend on the telephone. The friend was trying to console Mr. Shaw, who was unhappy over a recent breakup with his girlfriend. Mr. Shaw had no idea that while he was talking officers of the Iowa City police were gathering outside.

The police would say later that there had been several burglaries in the neighborhood in which Mr. Shaw's studio was located. When they saw Mr. Shaw's door ajar, they drew certain conclusions.

Police Officer Jeffrey Gillaspie, a three-year veteran of the force, pulled his 40-caliber semiautomatic service revolver, pushed Mr. Shaw's door the rest of the way open, and without uttering a single word, without so much as a nod in the direction of civil rights or civil liberties, shot Mr. Shaw in the heart. Mr. Shaw screamed, and then died. <snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/17/opinion/killer-cop.html?mcubz=1

Note 2nd paragraph in re: supposed burglaries in neighborhood. I lived close to the site where Eric was shot, and was unaware of any burglaries in the area. Furthermore, I fail to understand why the police felt it was acceptable to kick open the door of a privately owned business (Eric's father also ran his vending machine business out of this building), and to shoot Mr. Shaw.
This case was never even sent to a grand jury, nor was Officer Gillaspie charged, or even disciplined. I post this article simply to illustrate how police can seemingly "get away" with shooting citizens unjustifiably, and to point out that this has been occurring for many years...and, IMO, must be stopped.
JMHO.
Thanks, and please know my intent is NOT to stir up controversy.

What a terrible story. There are some grossly incompetent and dangerous officers out there. It makes you frightened to call them. I'm on the board of the HOA for my neighborhood and have had to call LE a few times for trespassers at our lake, someone down the road shooting off a gun while kids were having a Halloween Party in the park, etc. I'm usually out on the sidewalk waiting for them to arrive so I can point them in the right direction or give them additional information. I always thank them for coming out. What am I supposed to do now? I do know from personal experience that some of them are racist, who knows what could happen?

 

[Karinna]

<snip> From Iowa City, Iowa, comes a case that would have sent chills up the spines of the Founding Fathers.

Eric Shaw, a 31-year-old sculptor, was alone in his studio between 11:30 and midnight on Aug. 29. The weather was warm and Mr. Shaw had left the door to the studio ajar, hoping to catch a breeze. He had taken a break from work and was sitting at his desk, just a few feet from the door, talking to his best friend on the telephone. The friend was trying to console Mr. Shaw, who was unhappy over a recent breakup with his girlfriend. Mr. Shaw had no idea that while he was talking officers of the Iowa City police were gathering outside.

The police would say later that there had been several burglaries in the neighborhood in which Mr. Shaw's studio was located. When they saw Mr. Shaw's door ajar, they drew certain conclusions.

Police Officer Jeffrey Gillaspie, a three-year veteran of the force, pulled his 40-caliber semiautomatic service revolver, pushed Mr. Shaw's door the rest of the way open, and without uttering a single word, without so much as a nod in the direction of civil rights or civil liberties, shot Mr. Shaw in the heart. Mr. Shaw screamed, and then died. <snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/17/opinion/killer-cop.html?mcubz=1

Note 2nd paragraph in re: supposed burglaries in neighborhood. I lived close to the site where Eric was shot, and was unaware of any burglaries in the area. Furthermore, I fail to understand why the police felt it was acceptable to kick open the door of a privately owned business (Eric's father also ran his vending machine business out of this building), and to shoot Mr. Shaw.
This case was never even sent to a grand jury, nor was Officer Gillaspie charged, or even disciplined. I post this article simply to illustrate how police can seemingly "get away" with shooting citizens unjustifiably, and to point out that this has been occurring for many years...and, IMO, must be stopped.
JMHO.
Thanks, and please know my intent is NOT to stir up controversy.

How shocking. The poor man, Too much empowerment in the wrong hands.

 

[Cobra Jet]

well I think his attorney has effectively got a block on them publishing that here. But that story has a different twist...read it carefully..."A new account published by a local news outlet suggest a pounding on the police car led Mr Noor to believe he was being ambushed when he shot and killed Ms Damond."

Is it possible that Justine saw them leaving and wanted to speak with them and in order to get their attention pounded on the car? Now pounding on the car could signal an alert inside and makes much more sense than the other stories. Still not reason to shoot. I think this may be getting more at the truth.

I posted this same thought before I scrolled down to read this. The posts are coming so fast I cant keep up.

 

[Karinna]

Here is one possibility based on the limited amount of info we have. Please feel free to correct me if I have my facts wrong.

Cops drive into the alley with at least one window rolled down to investigate. They don&#8217;t hear anything so they decide to drive around to the front where I presume the front door is, to speak to the caller. Diamond sees this from the alley and thinks they may me leaving so she either approaches the car or even knocks on the window or fender. When she get close to or at the window the officer who is already concerned about his safety since he has his gun drawn panics and shoots. To me he either has absolutely no care or concern for his partner or he was afraid because shooting in the car that close to the partner was extremely dangerous to the driver. Either way he was not fit to carry a gun and needs to be held accountable. As I&#8217;ve said it the past this department will do more harm if they try to circle the wagons and make excuses for this guy

Was there no cctv footage anywhere around there i wonder? Sometimes people in private residences have cctv cameras around their homes too. It's very difficult when it seems no one around saw exactly what transpired and how this occurred IMO.

 

[CoolJ]

<snip> From Iowa City, Iowa, comes a case that would have sent chills up the spines of the Founding Fathers.

Eric Shaw, a 31-year-old sculptor, was alone in his studio between 11:30 and midnight on Aug. 29. The weather was warm and Mr. Shaw had left the door to the studio ajar, hoping to catch a breeze. He had taken a break from work and was sitting at his desk, just a few feet from the door, talking to his best friend on the telephone. The friend was trying to console Mr. Shaw, who was unhappy over a recent breakup with his girlfriend. Mr. Shaw had no idea that while he was talking officers of the Iowa City police were gathering outside.

The police would say later that there had been several burglaries in the neighborhood in which Mr. Shaw's studio was located. When they saw Mr. Shaw's door ajar, they drew certain conclusions.

Police Officer Jeffrey Gillaspie, a three-year veteran of the force, pulled his 40-caliber semiautomatic service revolver, pushed Mr. Shaw's door the rest of the way open, and without uttering a single word, without so much as a nod in the direction of civil rights or civil liberties, shot Mr. Shaw in the heart. Mr. Shaw screamed, and then died. <snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/17/opinion/killer-cop.html?mcubz=1

Note 2nd paragraph in re: supposed burglaries in neighborhood. I lived close to the site where Eric was shot, and was unaware of any burglaries in the area. Furthermore, I fail to understand why the police felt it was acceptable to kick open the door of a privately owned business (Eric's father also ran his vending machine business out of this building), and to shoot Mr. Shaw.
This case was never even sent to a grand jury, nor was Officer Gillaspie charged, or even disciplined. I post this article simply to illustrate how police can seemingly "get away" with shooting citizens unjustifiably, and to point out that this has been occurring for many years...and, IMO, must be stopped.
JMHO.
Thanks, and please know my intent is NOT to stir up controversy.

Now that is a crazy case....

Which is exactly why I think Noor is gonna walk. He will lose his job and likely get indicted but all he has to do is say the magic words ..... " I was in fear for my life" and he can now follow it up with the new magic words .... " i thought it was an ambush"

Oh yeah, he is gonna get away scot free and since policing is his calling, he will likely end up on the job somewhere else once all this blows over and is long forgotten.

It was all just an accident dontcha know!

 

[Ray_of_hope]

<snip> From Iowa City, Iowa, comes a case that would have sent chills up the spines of the Founding Fathers.

Eric Shaw, a 31-year-old sculptor, was alone in his studio between 11:30 and midnight on Aug. 29. The weather was warm and Mr. Shaw had left the door to the studio ajar, hoping to catch a breeze. He had taken a break from work and was sitting at his desk, just a few feet from the door, talking to his best friend on the telephone. The friend was trying to console Mr. Shaw, who was unhappy over a recent breakup with his girlfriend. Mr. Shaw had no idea that while he was talking officers of the Iowa City police were gathering outside.

The police would say later that there had been several burglaries in the neighborhood in which Mr. Shaw's studio was located. When they saw Mr. Shaw's door ajar, they drew certain conclusions.

Police Officer Jeffrey Gillaspie, a three-year veteran of the force, pulled his 40-caliber semiautomatic service revolver, pushed Mr. Shaw's door the rest of the way open, and without uttering a single word, without so much as a nod in the direction of civil rights or civil liberties, shot Mr. Shaw in the heart. Mr. Shaw screamed, and then died. <snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/17/opinion/killer-cop.html?mcubz=1

Note 2nd paragraph in re: supposed burglaries in neighborhood. I lived close to the site where Eric was shot, and was unaware of any burglaries in the area. Furthermore, I fail to understand why the police felt it was acceptable to kick open the door of a privately owned business (Eric's father also ran his vending machine business out of this building), and to shoot Mr. Shaw.
This case was never even sent to a grand jury, nor was Officer Gillaspie charged, or even disciplined. I post this article simply to illustrate how police can seemingly "get away" with shooting citizens unjustifiably, and to point out that this has been occurring for many years...and, IMO, must be stopped.
JMHO.
Thanks, and please know my intent is NOT to stir up controversy.

OMG! This has to stop.

 

[Betty P]

Was there no cctv footage anywhere around there i wonder? Sometimes people in private residences have cctv cameras around their homes too. It's very difficult when it seems no one around saw exactly what transpired and how this occurred IMO.

Let's hope there is something on video. Also hope they make a copy before turning it over to LE. They can't be trusted on this investigation, JMO. Manipulation of video evidence has happened before in these kinds of cases. Tamir Rice is one instance I can recall.

 

[Karinna]

Now that is a crazy case....

Which is exactly why I think Noor is gonna walk. He will lose his job and likely get indicted but all he has to do is say the magic words ..... " I was in fear for my life" and he can now follow it up with the new magic words .... " i thought it was an ambush"

Oh yeah, he is gonna get away scot free and since policing is his calling, he will likely end up on the job somewhere else once all this blows over and is long forgotten.

It was all just an accident dontcha know!

I hope with all the publicity of this case that doesn't happen, but i guess that seems to be the typical response when these horrible shootings happen and there is a trial or disciplinary action. It's enough to break your heart when life is so cheap to some. There definitely needs to be much more accountability.
Shooting someone should be a very last resort depending on the level of danger present. Maybe the Govt. needs to start looking at other more effective ways to deal with situations for it's LE that don't end in the deaths of innocent people when shooting someone to death could be prevented and a situation diffused less dangerously.