MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[human]

I would think he knew what he was exactly doing to have his gun at the ready to shoot, because that's exactly what he did. I do not think it was accidental.

Who was he going to shoot? justine? How would he know she was out there?

 

[human]

I agree something sure does need to change because there are far too many of these types of incidents where innocent unarmed citizens are being killed by LE.

Police are afraid for their own lives. Why not? They have families too. With the new changed gun laws, everyone gets to have a gun, This is a result of that IMO

 

[katydid23]

It seems like you have done the research for the defense team here....I get it for some areas but maintain this is a peaceful almost suburban neighborhood and most ambushers don't wear pjs

No, I am not saying the cop was justified. He should not have shot that woman. He should be charged with a crime and I am sure he will be.

But I am defending the 'high alert' feeling that cops feel when they get called out to an alley, and then don't see a crime. It makes them wonder.

And just because it is a safe suburb, that doesn't mean they can't be ambushed there. How far away is the closest gang activity?


Again, that cop was HORRIBLY wrong. He shot without figuring it out and he killed a lovely, innocent woman. He deserves to go on trial.

I was just reacting to some of the cynicism here, seeming to belittle or dismiss the level of fear that cops in urban cities are feeling these days.

If you were working a job in which 21 co-workers were shot in the head, last year, ambushed, just because of the uniform they were wearing, you would probably be jumpy too.

 

[human]

I doubt the MPD, or any PD, has guns with low trigger pull weights that go off easily or are 'hair triggers'. A normal trigger pull weight is 5.5 lbs and that's what most guns have. The higher ups at the NYPD decided that in order to avoid negligent discharges, they would have their guns with an 12 lb trigger pull weight. Accuracy went down and the cops hate them.

The article I posted says some LE do. I have no idea, Does anyone really know about Mpls police guns?

 

[human]

No, I am not saying the cop was justified. He should not have shot that woman. He should be charged with a crime and I am sure he will be.

But I am defending the 'high alert' feeling that cops feel when they get called out to an alley, and then don't see a crime. It makes them wonder.

And just because it is a safe suburb, that doesn't mean they can't be ambushed there. How far away is the closest gang activity?


Again, that cop was HORRIBLY wrong. He shot without figuring it out and he killed a lovely, innocent woman. He deserves to go on trial.

I was just reacting to some of the cynicism here, seeming to belittle or dismiss the level of fear that cops in urban cities are feeling these days.

If you were working a job in which 21 co-workers were shot in the head, last year, ambushed, just because of the uniform they were wearing, you would probably be jumpy too.

The closest gang activity is far away. They were in a neighborhood where lots of people can afford guns . It seems like accidental shootings happen to all income levels. Domestic violence knows no income level. Domestics are very scary for LE

 

[Karinna]

Who was he going to shoot? justine? How would he know she was out there?

He would of seen her to fire a kill shot at her. Or do you think he just randomly shot at whatever was out the car window, maybe even killing the other LEO that was right next to him in the vehicle. Who does that ffs?

 

[katydid23]

The closest gang activity is far away. They were in a neighborhood where lots of people can afford guns . It seems like accidental shootings happen to all income levels. Domestic violence knows no income level. Domestics are very scary for LE

The closest gang activity is far away? How far is far away? A few miles?

 

[turaj]

No, I am not saying the cop was justified. He should not have shot that woman. He should be charged with a crime and I am sure he will be.

But I am defending the 'high alert' feeling that cops feel when they get called out to an alley, and then don't see a crime. It makes them wonder.

And just because it is a safe suburb, that doesn't mean they can't be ambushed there. How far away is the closest gang activity?


Again, that cop was HORRIBLY wrong. He shot without figuring it out and he killed a lovely, innocent woman. He deserves to go on trial.

I was just reacting to some of the cynicism here, seeming to belittle or dismiss the level of fear that cops in urban cities are feeling these days.

If you were working a job in which 21 co-workers were shot in the head, last year, ambushed, just because of the uniform they were wearing, you would probably be jumpy too.

Katy...you make some good points but I imagine the defense will cite just the same kind of statistics you did here...and if a jury trial for sure he has a chance to get off here...I did not stop to think about the idea that you get this sort of frantic call (others have said this) and she calls twice...you drive thru and hear nothing and then a "pop" or "slam" on the car...okay I guess I see that....could be enough that Freeman who will make the decision to charge may not feel he can get a conviction and therefore not charge. Especially after they just had the Castilo case where he was acquitted. As to nearby gang activity...probably you have to go a couple of miles to get into some areas that I would not be driving around late a night..that is a guess. Yes your points are good Katy.

 

[human]

He would of seen her to fire a kill shot at her. Or do you think he just randomly shot at whatever was out the car window, maybe even killing the other LEO that was right next to him in the vehicle. Who does that ffs?

Where does "agenda" fit into this?

 

[turaj]

The closest gang activity is far away? How far is far away? A few miles?

Human...I assume you must live in Minneapolis....this is on 50th Street ...as you move towards Lake Street which is 30th St. and move east you are getting into places that tend to have way more police calls and crime...I would not call it "far away" at all...in fact I have often been amazed at such in demand and nice neighborhoods really transition into some very marginal areas quickly here in South Minneapolis. I guess these days the gang activity is all over including suburbs.

 

[human]

Now white people are seeing what POC have been dealing with for centuries.

Will there be any learning from this? Hard to say.

 

[Karinna]

Police are afraid for their own lives. Why not? They have families too. With the new changed gun laws, everyone gets to have a gun, This is a result of that IMO

I would imagine you would think very seriously about joining LE. It's a high risk job nowadays and i think most people are aware of that. It's a career choice and people don't have to join up.
Lots of people in the U.S. have guns and have had it that way as part of their right to protect themselves for a very long time in their Second Amendment to the U.S. constitution.

 

[human]

Human...I assume you must live in Minneapolis....this is on 50th Street ...as you move towards Lake Street which is 30th St. and move east you are getting into places that tend to have way more police calls and crime...I would not call it "far away" at all...in fact I have often been amazed at such in demand and nice neighborhoods really transition into some very marginal areas quickly here in South Minneapolis. I guess these days the gang activity is all over including suburbs.

No. Not anymore. It has changed a lot, Is Edina a top place anymore or has that given way to more tony areas?

 

[human]

I would imagine you would think very seriously about joining LE. It's a high risk job nowadays and i think most people are aware of that. It's a career choice and people don't have to join up.
Lots of people in the U.S. have guns and have had it that way as part of their right to protect themselves for a very long time in their Second Amendment to the U.S. constitution.

Maybe in other states, but until not too long ago, in order to have a concealed carry, you needed a darn good reason. That is gone. Anyone can get themselves a gun.

 

[Karinna]

Where does "agenda" fit into this?

I didn't mention agenda, i think you're confusing me with someone else.

 

[Karinna]

Maybe in other states, but until not too long ago, in order to have a concealed carry, you needed a darn good reason. That is gone. Anyone can get themselves a gun.

Yes, that is the right of the American citizens. And most gun owners are responsible people.

 

[human]

Human...I assume you must live in Minneapolis....this is on 50th Street ...as you move towards Lake Street which is 30th St. and move east you are getting into places that tend to have way more police calls and crime...I would not call it "far away" at all...in fact I have often been amazed at such in demand and nice neighborhoods really transition into some very marginal areas quickly here in South Minneapolis. I guess these days the gang activity is all over including suburbs.

It was the first tier suburbs that were affected before. It seems like people are moving to places that are further out. But then the city is popular to young professionals and the retired.

 

[human]

Yes, that is the right of the American citizens. And most gun owners are responsible people.

Is that is what is said in Australia?

 

[human]

I didn't mention agenda, i think you're confusing me with someone else.

You said you do not think it was accidental. So why did he kill Justine on purpose?

 

[Karinna]

Is that is what is said in Australia?

By whom?