MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Damarna]

The incident happened in Wisconsin. Vang is Hmong and lived in MN. He was convicted of killing 6 and injuring 2 and was sentenced to 6 life sentences +7 years.

I fixed my post to say near Minnesota. That's what I had intended to say but the brain was working faster than the fingers!

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[turaj]

I think the defense is getting set up...more about Officer Harrity's interview is leaking out....and this is consistent with a theory that I put forth early on....he apparently told about windows down cruising the alley...not hearing the sounds and then all of a sudden a loud noise and then Justine appeared and the shots fired...they are saying that this was her beating on the car. That makes sense they are getting to the end of the alley and she thinks they are leaving runs up...pounds on the car to get their attention and then gets shot. You have two novices on the car...one that many describe as jittery and talk of "ambush" etc. Also the step son to be indicated Justine was "passionate" and sometimes such people are trusting and was just trying to get the people she called to stop and talk with her. All opinion but some being reported...more on the 5pm news...this was just the "tease" will report if more develops.

 

[Jax49]

[h=1]What part of police shootings are the chief's fault?[/h]
http://www.startribune.com/what-part-of-police-shootings-are-the-chief-s-fault/436387193/

Of course, it was the Damond shooting (in addition to the election) and the uproar that followed that pushed the mayor over the edge in her zeal to oust the chief.

While the Damond shooting looks completely unjustified and unjustifiable, there are many facets of the investigation, including the officer’s hiring and previous performance, that will be scrutinized and most likely made public.

Was Noor qualified to be hired as a Minneapolis police officer? Or was he recruited so hard in an attempt to hire an officer reflecting the city’s diversity that corners were cut? If any part of the hiring process was altered and the chief gave her approval to these amendments, then she may in fact bear some responsibility.

 

[human]

That's the only incident I recall near Minnesota.

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No. The hunters shot Hmong. I remember as I had Hmong students

 

[human]

I am now going by the Court filing i posted just before with a link because that is the actual document filed by TG's attorney to the Court so it is a valid legal document.
I see it states on the top right hand side Jury Trial Demanded.

Yup. TG's filing. Please note that

 

[katydid23]

No. The hunters shot Hmong. I remember as I had Hmong students

Hunting accidents happen quite frequently. My uncle was shot in the shoulder but recovered. I doubt he was shot for being a white Christian farmer. More likely he was shot because he looked like a deer running through the woods.

 

[human]

Hmong were shot and killed while hunting?? When did that happen? That's scary!

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Looking. This one was in Wisconsin and was beaten to death. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-who-killed-hmong-man-gets-69-years/

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't believe for one minute that she would have pounded on the door of the police car. If she was close enough to pound on the door of a car with an open window, she would have just spoken. JMO

 

[human]

More Hmong hunters but Wisconsin again.

http://reappropriate.co/2014/12/hmo...y-white-hunter-following-trespassing-dispute/

 

[turaj]

I don't believe for one minute that she would have pounded on the door of the police car. If she was close enough to pound on the door of a car with an open window, she would have just spoken. JMO

Jennifer I find it entirely possible that she "pounded" or more likely hit the car probably on the back...that sound can be startling but should not cause a major reaction in a police officer If she was at the door she could have spoken with him.

 

[turaj]

more info coming out tonight


"According to a search warrant obtained by Minnesota Public Radio, a woman approached the back of the patrol car and "slapped" it shortly before the shooting. The search warrant doesn't say whether the slap was the loud noise that startled Noor's partner. It also doesn't specifically say the woman was Damond, but: "Upon police arrival, a female 'slaps' the back of the patrol squad ... After that, it is unknown to BCA agents what exactly happened, but the female became deceased in the alley."

I think at the end of the day this is about what happened and trigger happy Noor shot.

 

[Betty P]

I think the defense is getting set up...more about Officer Harrity's interview is leaking out....and this is consistent with a theory that I put forth early on....he apparently told about windows down cruising the alley...not hearing the sounds and then all of a sudden a loud noise and then Justine appeared and the shots fired...they are saying that this was her beating on the car. That makes sense they are getting to the end of the alley and she thinks they are leaving runs up...pounds on the car to get their attention and then gets shot. You have two novices on the car...one that many describe as jittery and talk of "ambush" etc. Also the step son to be indicated Justine was "passionate" and sometimes such people are trusting and was just trying to get the people she called to stop and talk with her. All opinion but some being reported...more on the 5pm news...this was just the "tease" will report if more develops.

JMO, the loud noise was probably her calling out to them like "Hey, I'm the person who called 911". The officers window was down, there was no reason for her to pound on the car when she could simply speak to get their attention.

Note, they refer to a "loud noise" not a bang or explosion or boom. They're trying to rationalize being startled simply by hearing her voice, but it would help their defense if they could drop a vague hint to make the public think she was raising a ruckus or acting "strangely". That's the usual justification LE uses when they kill innocent citizens: "they were behaving suspiciously", "They jumped or pushed back or moved, etc. and I feared for my life".


Works really well when you're not talking to investigators. You can leak vague and incriminating information about the victim that leaves much to the public's imagination. Tainting the potential jury pool. I just get the feeling Noor is a real passive-aggressive, manipulative person.

 

[Betty P]

[h=1]What part of police shootings are the chief's fault?[/h]
http://www.startribune.com/what-part-of-police-shootings-are-the-chief-s-fault/436387193/

It's a valid argument. The officer who killed Tamir Rice, Timothy Loehmann, had been considered so bad he was laid off previously by another police department. His resume was poor and he was turned down by other PD's, yet he was later hired by the Cleveland PD. Some wondered if it was a political connection or similar influence. Someone he knew called in a favor. Loehmann was not a minority, but he had some connections.

Two years after he killed Tamir, he was finally fired, not for the shooting, but for "lying on his application". CYA

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/05/cleveland_officer_timothy_loeh_1.html

 

[human]

Here is an article re the Hmong. " Save a deer. Shoot a Hmong" " Is diversity worth one American life?"

I bring this up as no one talks about the Hmong anymore. The new threat are the Somalis. Just a new group to hate.

http://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1119&context=tma

 

[Jennifer17]

JMO, the loud noise was probably her calling out to them like "Hey, I'm the person who called 911". The officers window was down, there was no reason for her to pound on the car when she could simply speak to get their attention.

Note, they refer to a "loud noise" not a bang or explosion or boom. They're trying to rationalize being startled simply by hearing her voice, but it would help their defense if they could drop a vague hint to make the public think she was raising a ruckus or acting "strangely". That's the usual justification LE uses when they kill innocent citizens: "they were behaving suspiciously", "They jumped or pushed back or moved, etc. and I feared for my life".


Works really well when you're not talking to investigators. You can leak vague and incriminating information about the victim that leaves much to the public's imagination. Tainting the potential jury pool. I just get the feeling Noor is a real passive-aggressive, manipulative person.

Yes, this. First it was gunshots, then fireworks, then she was running up to the car and now she slapped the car.

 

[grammieto5]

Here is an article re the Hmong. " Save a deer. Shoot a Hmong" " Is diversity worth one American life?"

I bring this up as no one talks about the Hmong anymore. The new threat are the Somalis. Just a new group to hate.

http://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1119&context=tma

WOW! and all he got was 10 days in jail, and oh yeah 2 years probation and community service.

 

[Betty P]

Yes, this. First it was gunshots, then fireworks, then she was running up to the car and now she slapped the car.

Somehow, I have a feeling Noor has been talking to his attorneys and getting advice from LE shooting "experts" on exactly how to handle a media campaign since the first days after the shooting. Likely there are expert "consultants" who know how to manage these kinds of cases, by blaming the victims. It's disgusting and immoral, but they've had plenty of opportunities in recent years to develop a consulting industry around these kinds of crimes. It probably goes further than the regular news media to social media as well.

 

[turaj]

Yes, this. First it was gunshots, then fireworks, then she was running up to the car and now she slapped the car.

the bottom line is whether it was fireworks...gunshots..her running and speaking to them or hitting the car (my personal top theory) ...none of that makes any difference...did not justify shooting...none of those things...and of course yet to come is saying she had something in her hand which we know was her phone (found on the ground) but Noor thought she had a weapon.

 

[human]

I know zero but maybe those who know more can explain. My hubby says it was probably an accidental shooting, He said police weapons have triggers that go off easily, He feels that Noor was too hyper and did not mean to shoot but he had no gun control.

Anyone know anything about police guns?

 

[Karinna]

IMO It's still part of the Govt. agenda for police states in America & for militarized police(look at Ferguson, etc.), but that's a topic for the Politivent thread. It's all an agenda and people are seeing it unfold.