MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Tippy Lynn]

I havent been able to look at the search warrants yet but I think some are maybe getting the wrong impression from them. You have to understand what is going on inside the context of WHEN it is happening. After the shooting, certainly MPD supervisors would have quickly arrived and would have asked what happened. I assume Noor and Harrity gave some indication what happened. This is probably where Harrity's statement that he was "stunned" came from. Perhaps Noor says something about her acting erratic or out of control and "on drugs" or something. Because its a police shooting, MBCA arrives to investigate, they are not MPD. If Noor did say something like that, they need to investigate it, they'd be irresponsible not too. Despite the law professor's statement, Noor's statement (if he made it) would provide the probably cause to get a warrant. MBCA would want to see if any drugs are found in her home. They need a warrant because there is no one to give them access to the house without it. They need a warrant to look in her phone. This is not victim blaming or cover up, its investigating all possible avenues. I wouldn't be surprised if MBCA never expected to find any drugs, but since Noor perhaps indicated drug use, they need to follow up. That they removed nothing from the house allegedly supports the idea that they found nothing. Not only does this not help Noor, or cause and "international incident" it helps clear up some things and helps to clear the victim.

Thanks for your insight. Your explaination makes sense and it actually gives me some hope.

 

[Jennifer17]

Thanks for your insight. Your explaination makes sense and it actually gives me some hope.

The victim should not need clearing. She was the victim.

 

[katydid23]

That is Wilsons version of events I agree. But this is coming from an officer who served with two police departments proven to operate with extreme racial bias and he himself has admitted to using the N word and making other racist remarks. He also called Brown a demon on national TV.

I don't believe him.

Everything I said can be verified in the DOJ final report:

https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf


*The DOJ was being run by very liberal, african american Attorney General at the time of the report.

 

[katydid23]

Pretty easy to do, seeing he was dead.

There were witnesses that saw the struggle over the weapon.

 

[Jennifer17]

There were witnesses that saw the struggle over the weapon.

Yes and that makes me wonder now, if bicycle man is going to be a witness to something that Justine did to cause her getting an on the spot death sentence.

 

[jjenny]

Yes and that makes me wonder now, if bicycle man is going to be a witness to something that Justine did to cause her getting an on the spot death sentence.

She was shot as she was approaching the driver's side window/door of the car. Person who shot her was in the passenger seat. There obviously was not struggle over any weapons in this case. The only thing she could have done as suggested by BCA is she allegedly slapped the car- I presume that if it did happen, she was trying to get attention of the police officers. I really don't see how that justifies the "death sentence."

 

[shadetree44]

I am sorry you found a two minute post so taxing. Perhaps to save yourself the effort next time you should just bypass my posts and scroll and roll.

I don't recall anyone saying police officers have a right to just fire or shoot someone just because they are fearful. And very little of them ever do an unjustifiable shooting compared to the 1.2 million collective police forces in our nation. Most all show great restraint even though thousands themselves are attacked and assaulted every year.

I have made it crystal clear I believe this was an unjustifiable shooting and Noor should be charged with homicide and I hope he is punished severely.

All the training in the world is not going to change certain individuals that shouldn't have been allowed to become police officers in the first place who slipped through the net.

In large cities hundreds of police recruits at one time are trained exactly the same way. The vast majority of those who manage to survive the police academy and go on to graduate will use their police training skills to become good officers but like in all professions no amount of training will ever make a few of them become the police officers they should be.

There really is no reason to scream your words at me Tawny. I can read normal font just fine.

IMO

EXCELLENT POST oceanblueeyes!! You have my vote. I, too, agree this was a BAD shoot. Some people are not cutout to be law enforce officers. It's a tuff job, any way you put it, but like the military, some just shouldn't be there. I hope this whole situation comes out positive, but LE track record on police shootings does not lend itself to me being confident of a positive outcome. Kudos. All the above is MOO.

 

[bluesneakers]

She was shot as she was approaching the driver's side window/door of the car. Person who shot her was in the passenger seat. There obviously was not struggle over any weapons in this case.

Have both officers confirmed this?

I think Noor is going to say he thought she was reaching in the open window, going for Harrity's weapon, and because he believed their lives were in danger he shot her to save his partner and himself.

 

[jjenny]

Have both officers confirmed this?

I think Noor is going to say he thought she was reaching in the open window, going for Harrity's weapon, and because he believed their lives were in danger he shot her to save his partner and himself.

As you well know, the actual shooter isn't talking. Per the driver's statement, as she approached the window, she was shot. There has been zero suggestion of any struggle, so not sure where you are getting this idea.

 

[Betty P]

There were witnesses that saw the struggle over the weapon.

Do you have a link for that information?

 

[bluesneakers]

Will officer Mohamed Noor ever have to give a statement on the Justine Damond shooting?

If the Minneapolis Police Department opens an internal investigation into the shooting, the law requires him to talk if he wants to keep his job. But even if he does that, what he says to internal affairs can never be used in a criminal case.

In Minnesota, public employees under internal investigation are now read a Garrity Warning.

....

"Because you are being required to provide information under the threat of disciplinary action, the information you provide, and any evidence resulting from the information you provide, cannot and will not be used against you in any subsequent criminal proceeding," the warning reads.

 

[Betty P]

As you well know, the actual shooter isn't talking. Per the driver's statement, as she approached the window, she was shot. There has been zero suggestion of any struggle, so not sure where you are getting this idea.

It's just speculation based on some of the past stories bad officers have come up with to justify killing innocent people. There's a pattern for some of these incidents.

 

[bluesneakers]

As you well know, the actual shooter isn't talking. Per the driver's statement, as she approached the window, she was shot. There has been zero suggestion of any struggle, so not sure where you are getting this idea.

Observation.

 

[jjenny]

It's just speculation based on some of the past stories bad officers have come up with to justify killing innocent people. There's a pattern for some of these incidents.

In this particular story, the cop who shot her is refusing to be interviewed (one would think that if it was his story, he would have already came out with it). And the other cop hasn't suggested there was any struggle.

 

[bluesneakers]

In this particular story, the cop who shot her is refusing to be interviewed (one would think that if it was his story, he would have already came out with it). And the other cop hasn't suggested there was any struggle.

They haven't told the public their story. We don't know everything.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I have to disagree. I am calling foul on them for searching her home. What reason could there be?

I think the search warrant of her home is in her favor if this goes to trial.

 

[katydid23]

Do you have a link for that information?

Wilson and other witnesses stated that Brown then reached into the SUV through the open driver’s window and punched and grabbed Wilson. This is corroborated by bruising on Wilson’s jaw and scratches on his neck, the presence of Brown’s DNA on Wilson’s collar, shirt, and pants, and Wilson’s DNA on Brown’s palm. While there are other individuals who stated that Wilson reached out of the SUV and grabbed Brown by the neck, prosecutors could not credit their accounts because they were inconsistent with physical and forensic evidence, as detailed throughout this report.

Brown then grabbed the weapon and struggled with Wilson to gain control of it. Wilson fired, striking Brown in the hand. Autopsy results and bullet trajectory, skin from Brown’s palm on the outside of the SUV door as well as Brown’s DNA on the inside of the driver’s door corroborate Wilson’s account that during the struggle, Brown used his right hand to grab and attempt to control Wilson’s gun. According to three autopsies, Brown sustained a close range gunshot wound to the fleshy portion of his right hand at the base of his right thumb. Soot from the muzzle of the gun found embedded in the tissue of this wound coupled with indicia of thermal change from the heat of the muzzle indicate that Brown’s hand was within inches of the muzzle of Wilson’s gun when it was fired. The location of the recovered bullet in the side panel of the driver’s door, just above Wilson’s lap, also corroborates Wilson’s account of the struggle over the gun and when the gun was fired, as do witness accounts that Wilson fired at least one shot from inside the SUV.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

 

[jjenny]

They haven't told the public their story. We don't know everything.

They made public the part that matters, as told by the driver cop.

 

[Jennifer17]

In this particular story, the cop who shot her is refusing to be interviewed (one would think that if it was his story, he would have already came out with it). And the other cop hasn't suggested there was any struggle.

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Katy was talking about the Michael Brown case re the struggle over the gun, but there is no reason to think that they won't try that defence again this time. It worked the last time. It would be quite easy to put her dna on the gun. She could not done anything to stop them. She was dead.

 

[katydid23]

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Katy was talking about the Michael Brown case re the struggle over the gun, but there is no reason to think that they won't try that defence again this time. It worked the last time. It would be quite easy to put her dna on the gun. She could not done anything to stop them. She was dead.

There was way more to it than just a dab of DNA on the gun. Scroll up and you can see the forensics and witness testimony that was used to corroborate the officers story.

These 2 shootings have ZERO in common. And I hate that they all get lumped together. Just because someone is 'unarmed' it does not mean they are not a danger and a severe threat.

And it does this victim in Minneapolis a huge disservice to lump her together with Michael Brown, imo.