• #32,841
Did they release that they found the same/similar glove two miles from NG's house before or after they searched the house that is two miles from NG's house?

JMO.


I believe it was before...
 
  • #32,842
I am not saying anyone in particuliar but I've watched this several times and it seems personal. You are not alone, we are here and over and over it's not too late to do the right thing. I am like you all, this is such a strange twisting case.
 
  • #32,843
Just


So I checked and it appears Walmart would export to a csv file which can then be converted to excel.

So if he bought two items at once, it won’t take long to find the date and time. If he bought them on separate days using the same credit card, they can match using the derivatives of that card to match. If he paid with cash, I mean how many people pay with cash these days. Easy.

If he stole it, that’s like looking for a needle in a haystack. I’ve seen videos of Walmart thieves stealing by putting items in a storage tub and just paying for the tub. They might have to look for all tubs purchased at each Walmart. Not sure how long wal mart keeps their videos though. Regardless, they’ll have to dig real deep for that.
Yeah, they probably use something more powerful than Excel- like AWS or Apache but you got the principle right. Using SQL to query for region, item, date/time should yield pretty good results. IMO a task like this would take me 30 minutes tops. The hard part is going to be getting the footage from Walmart depending how long ago these items were purchased. However based on the video of the perp, all of the items seem pretty new and i'd guess he was stupid enough to buy everything at the same time, sometime in January from a local Tucson walmart.

JMO
 
  • #32,844
Yeah, they probably use something more powerful than Excel- like AWS or Apache but you got the principle right. Using SQL to query for region, item, date/time should yield pretty good results. IMO a task like this would take me 30 minutes tops. The hard part is going to be getting the footage from Walmart depending how long ago these items were purchased. However based on the video of the perp, all of the items seem pretty new and i'd guess he was stupid enough to buy everything at the same time, sometime in January from a local Tucson walmart.

JMO
That would be a break wouldn’t it? They could get a look at his face.
 
  • #32,845
Yes, sorry. That is a tiny piece of photo taken of the front.

Edit to add it is a window and not a sliding door. I looked at it from several angles. Of course this was taken nearly 2 weeks after the fact but it looks open. View attachment 645789
IMG_1922.webp

From this pic, it looks like there may be a doormat underneath, which makes it seem like it IS a sliding door.

Hard to say if it is slightly open, or is it just the screen that is not all the way closed. But I do see what you see about it appearing open.

Where I got this pic from: Fox10phoenix link
 
  • #32,846
I am not saying anyone in particuliar but I've watched this several times and it seems personal. You are not alone, we are here and over and over it's not too late to do the right thing. I am like you all, this is such a strange twisting case.
It may just be me, but it sounds like she is "addressing" someone who is thought might actually know something and are out of their league and are scared. Like if you help us, we will help you. They can't say this, but IMO, they are implying that if this someone comes forward, they can make a deal where the person won't be charged or have greatly reduced charges. The notes may have nothing to do with it (or they might). That is my take on this.
 
  • #32,847
It may just be me, but it sounds like she is "addressing" someone who is thought might actually know something and are out of their league and are scared. Like if you help us, we will help you. They can't say this, but IMO, they are implying that if this someone comes forward, they can make a deal where the person won't be charged or have greatly reduced charges. The notes may have nothing to do with it (or they might). That is my take on this.
I wonder if in this instance she is addressing the person who is in contact with Harvey Levin. I listened to Levin's video this morning and I thought of Savannah's words in relation to whoever that person might be.
 
  • #32,848
I just thought of something. What if the perp felt like things are getting “too hot” in Tucson and sent the latest ransom letter to TMZ trying to throw off the scent a bit, by implying she’s out of the country?
 
  • #32,849
I wonder if in this instance she is addressing the person who is in contact with Harvey Levin. I listened to Levin's video this morning and I thought of Savannah's words in relation to whoever that person might be.
It seems like burglary gone wrong also purposefully minimizes the crime and the severity of punishment.
 
  • #32,850
View attachment 645807
From this pic, it looks like there may be a doormat underneath, which makes it seem like it IS a sliding door.

Hard to say if it is slightly open, or is it just the screen that is not all the way closed. But I do see what you see about it appearing open.

Where I got this pic from: Fox10phoenix link
I'm definitely wrong about that :) I didn't see this excellent photo. It's a door. MOO
 
  • #32,851
As someone whose elderly mom was targeted by people who knew her in real life as well as by strangers through online means (she regularly downloaded viruses; my cybersecurity son even found spyware on her laptop!)...I keep wondering if the perp(s) were after more than just the typical valuables like cash on hand and jewelry. Is it possible that they were after bigger things like access to her bank accounts?

Some of the reasons this comes to mind: 41 minutes (longer than a typical home invasion, which could have bought time to look through files), the adult protective services business card stuck in the door, dealings with bitcoin (if the ransom notes are legit and tied to the perps), bungling lantana man's efforts (might be cyber savvy but not burglary savvy), no mention of valuables stolen (there might have been, but LE has said her wallet and other things were left behind).

My mom would keep a paper list of her passwords. She was old school, no matter how much we told her it was dangerous to do that.

JMO
 
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  • #32,852
Just


So I checked and it appears Walmart would export to a csv file which can then be converted to excel.

So if he bought two items at once, it won’t take long to find the date and time. If he bought them on separate days using the same credit card, they can match using the derivatives of that card to match. If he paid with cash, I mean how many people pay with cash these days. Easy.

If he stole it, that’s like looking for a needle in a haystack. I’ve seen videos of Walmart thieves stealing by putting items in a storage tub and just paying for the tub. They might have to look for all tubs purchased at each Walmart. Not sure how long wal mart keeps their videos though. Regardless, they’ll have to dig real deep for that.
I read somewhere that they keep video for 90 days max.
 
  • #32,853
I wonder if in this instance she is addressing the person who is in contact with Harvey Levin. I listened to Levin's video this morning and I thought of Savannah's words in relation to whoever that person might be.
I think they are one in the same but I have no clue who they are or why they took Nancy. But I think the letters are coming from the real perp(s?) and they don't appear to genuinely be motivated by money.
 
  • #32,854
It may just be me, but it sounds like she is "addressing" someone who is thought might actually know something and are out of their league and are scared. Like if you help us, we will help you. They can't say this, but IMO, they are implying that if this someone comes forward, they can make a deal where the person won't be charged or have greatly reduced charges. The notes may have nothing to do with it (or they might). That is my take on this.

I am wondering if she is talking to an unwilling accomplice (maybe the mom of the perp?) who might know something but is scared to come forward. Maybe the mom is torn between trying to protect her son and doing the right thing.

JMO.
 
  • #32,855
I think they are one and the same but I have no clue who they are or why they took Nancy. But I think the letters are coming from the real perp(s?) and they don't appear to genuinely be motivated by money.
The TMZ emails are getting ridiculous. Now people are starting gofundmes to get money to buy a bitcoin for his info and even those are SCAMS! I think the emailer is an opportunist that’s loving the publicity. I’m sure whoever took NG is watching the news, so if he was seen by this alleged informant, don’t you think he would be after him? It makes no sense. He could go to the fbi for an anonymous tip and claim the reward after giving the info. Instead, he’s just obstructing justice. I really hope they stop giving this emailer the time of day.
 
  • #32,856
Yeah, they probably use something more powerful than Excel- like AWS or Apache but you got the principle right. Using SQL to query for region, item, date/time should yield pretty good results. IMO a task like this would take me 30 minutes tops. The hard part is going to be getting the footage from Walmart depending how long ago these items were purchased. However based on the video of the perp, all of the items seem pretty new and i'd guess he was stupid enough to buy everything at the same time, sometime in January from a local Tucson walmart.

JMO
I know JLR is not an approved source here---however I was watching his livestream and he purchased the same backpack. While watching him look at the backpack, I did notice it said "Walmart 2024" on the tag. I assumed that to be the date of manufacture.

If that's the case, Walmart is looking at purchases 2024 and after, perhaps.

IDK--someone here said they recognized the logo when the pictures first came out---maybe they can chime in as to how long they know it was carried by Walmart.
 
  • #32,857
As someone whose elderly mom was targeted by people who knew her in real life as well as by strangers through online means (she regularly downloaded viruses; my cybersecurity son even found spyware on her laptop!)...I keep wondering if the perp(s) were after more than just the typical valuables like cash on hand and jewelry. Is it possible that they were after bigger things like access to her bank accounts?

Some of the reasons this comes to mind: 41 minutes (longer than a typical home invasion, which could have bought time to look through files), the adult protective services business card stuck in the door, dealings with bitcoin (if the ransom notes are legit and tied to the perps), bungling lantana man's efforts (might be cyber savvy but not burglary savvy), no mention of valuables stolen (there might have been, but LE has said her wallet and other things were left behind).

My mom would keep a paper list of her passwords. She was old school, no matter how much we told her it was dangerous to do that.

JMO

Yes 41 minutes but it may have been longer since the time we were given, 2:28, was just the time when the pacemaker couldn’t connect to the app either via her phone or by a receiver in her bedroom. The signal from the pacemaker is weak so you have to be close to connect. We don’t actually know how long they were there but it was at least 41 minutes.
 
  • #32,858
So maybe they are not the idiots they are being made out to be?
I’ve long thought this, too. All of the inconsistencies seem intentional.
 
  • #32,859
The TMZ emails are getting ridiculous. Now people are starting gofundmes to get money to buy a bitcoin for his info and even those are SCAMS! I think the emailer is an opportunist that’s loving the publicity. I’m sure whoever took NG is watching the news, so if he was seen by this alleged informant, don’t you think he would be after him? It makes no sense. He could go to the fbi for an anonymous tip and claim the reward after giving the info. Instead, he’s just obstructing justice. I really hope they stop giving this emailer the time of day.
I totally agree about the absurdity of much of this situation, but to me it seems like they may believe there's some validity to the messages so they are giving him a stage to encourage communication? I actually believe they are genuine. The messages that have subsequently been sent to only TMZ are more dubious to me. MOO
 
  • #32,860
As someone whose elderly mom was targeted by people who knew her in real life as well as by strangers through online means (she regularly downloaded viruses; my cybersecurity son even found spyware on her laptop!)...I keep wondering if the perp(s) were after more than just the typical valuables like cash on hand and jewelry. Is it possible that they were after bigger things like access to her bank accounts?

Some of the reasons this comes to mind: 41 minutes (longer than a typical home invasion, which could have bought time to look through files), the adult protective services business card stuck in the door, dealings with bitcoin (if the ransom notes are legit and tied to the perps), bungling lantana man's efforts (might be cyber savvy but not burglary savvy), no mention of valuables stolen (there might have been, but LE has said her wallet and other things were left behind).

My mom would keep a paper list of her passwords. She was old school, no matter how much we told her it was dangerous to do that.

JMO
My mom’s elderly MIL was taken advantage of a couple years ago. She was 86yo and living alone at the time. She had been contacted many times by overseas scam artists, but one finally worked. A man called impersonating a LEO and said her granddaughter was being incarcerated for some bogus crime. He put her “granddaughter” on the phone crying, begging to help get cash for the bail. She actually thought this was real! They wanted $25k cash, but the bank only let her withdrawal $10k. The scammers said for her to drop it off at a specific location, but she said she refused and they had to pick it up at her house. They actually send someone to the house to pick up the cash! It was recorded on her ring camera. The family figured it out and reported it. Police set up a sting operation to catch the guy, but the car was a rental, phone was a burner, and the guy was just a money runner with no info on who he was working for oversees. This happens ALL THE TIME! The scarier part was he groomed her for a while and knew things about her family.

I wonder if NG had received any weird calls or had scam attempts. They prey on elderly people. It’s so common now!
 

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