MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Karinna]

I thought there were two warrants reported...one for the body and area and another for her residence. moo

Yes, i think you're right and there was more than one issued.

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
Two search warrants reveal new details in the police shooting death of Justine Damond, Esme Murphy reports (2:44). WCCO 4 News at 6 - July 25, 2017
https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddr...w-details-in-justine-damonds-death/vp-AAoPSll

 

[turaj]

You can believe what you want but we value people here that are verified because they speak from a professional or Insider POV.

Jennifer is outraged by the search...long ago I mentioned the post by verified attorney...one can be outaged but the important things to discuss is proper protocol which was followed here...in my opinion the more they search...test etc. the better and as I have said before until Don Damond or her father come forward and want to question any of this I think the investigation is probably pretty routine.

 

[turaj]

People been looking for this for days! Good job!

I am not a lawyer, but this looks like a hot mess. Is this even a warrant to search her home?

Something about it just doesn't feel right. PrairieWind?

I am pretty sure that is a sort of "boiler plate" warrant covering anything and everything they often find in such a search...clearly I don't think they expected to find most of that nor would it be relevant here. Of course they have to go in just to get some ID and see if anyone else is involved here. So many here are looking at this like these officers who arrived knew what we know now...they had very little to go on...could not really trust the officers involved to give them the total story and had to look for everything. Again if there is any major issue here I am sure Damond's attorney will attack it but right now it looks like a "boiler plate" warrant done in the middle of the night by officers not really sure what they were looking for .

 

[CoolJ]

So are we just ignoring the law professors opinion that there was no probable cause for the warrant?

 

[Elley Mae]

I am going on about her house being searched, because it was not necessary. I am not sure who you are speaking about who is a verified attorney. I prefer to believe a law professor.

What if?

Suppose she had a child in the home. Suppose there was an animal in the home. The search warrant was executed to cover their azz. I can't imagine LE not going to the home of a person that had been killed in the close proximity of their home and not checking their home. What if they didn't and then the home was burgled? Guess that would have been LE fault.

 

[Karinna]

Jennifer is outraged by the search...long ago I mentioned the post by verified attorney...one can be outaged but the important things to discuss is proper protocol which was followed here...in my opinion the more they search...test etc. the better and as I have said before until Don Damond or her father come forward and want to question any of this I think the investigation is probably pretty routine.

I think the problem people are having with the searching of an innocent shooting victim's home is they are looking on it like it's a personal affront against Justine, when i think it is more to do with being thorough seeing it is an ongoing investigation, and this is what is necessary in pending litigation against Noor who killed Justine.
Because if they weren't thorough and something is discovered after the fact, people would be complaining about the incompetence of those in charge of the investigation.

 

[Karinna]

So are we just ignoring the law professors opinion that there was no probable cause for the warrant?

I would like to know his reason for his opinion though? Wish he would elaborate on it.
What does Mr. Damond's attorney say about it i wonder?

 

[turaj]

What if?

Suppose she had a child in the home. Suppose there was an animal in the home. The search warrant was executed to cover their azz. I can't imagine LE not going to the home of a person that had been killed in the close proximity of their home and not checking their home. What if they didn't and then the home was burgled? Guess that would have been LE fault.

they had a 911 call from that address...then Noor shoots a woman...at the time of the shooting frankly they did not know who they shot...back up officers come on the scene...of course they are going to get a warrant to go inside........I don't believe anyone at that point had any agenda other than to make sure who she was...the person they shot could have been who she called about ..people need to place yourselves in that alley that night and make judgements accordingly. The only agenda here has been developed after this happened...to be honest I think assuming Noor went out that night with the intention of killing a blonde woman because he did not like women etc. and the rest of these stories floating around are being fabricated by people with not much to do. It however is NOT AN ACCIDENT as he is a professional charged with protecting the public and has received training to do so...

 

[turaj]

I would like to know his reason for his opinion though? Wish he would elaborate on it.
What does Mr. Damond's attorney say about it i wonder?

Bennett the Damond attorney is far to smart to say anything about it.

 

[turaj]

And while I have not seen the second search warrant is probably another "boiler plate" warrant and probably reads about the same for the address in question.

 

[turaj]

And while I have not seen it the second search warrant is probably another "boiler plate" warrant and probably reads about the same for the address in question.

 

[turaj]

Search warrants and their scope and execution probably constitute an entire semester in law school and clearly cases have been won or lost based on them...if not done properly much critical evidence can be thrown out in a court case. I am sure the "law professor" knows all of the ins and outs of warrants.....and since opinions are fine on a forum like this his/her view is welcome and gives another perspective but honestly none of us really know what went down with the warrants...what was really found and how any of this may become relevant in any possible in an action against Noor.

 

[Karinna]

Search warrants and their scope and execution probably constitute an entire semester in law school and clearly cases have been won or lost based on them...if not done properly much critical evidence can be thrown out in a court case. I am sure the "law professor" knows all of the ins and outs of warrants.....and since opinions are fine on a forum like this his/her view is welcome and gives another perspective but honestly none of us really know what went down with the warrants...what was really found and how any of this may become relevant in any possible in an action against Noor.

Yeah the public only get little snippets of information from msm to go on, but we don't get all of the information to make a proper analysis IMO.

 

[turaj]

Yeah the public only get little snippets of information from msm to go on, but we don't get all of the information to make a proper analysis IMO.

I assume right now as information is compiled the only first hand info is from Harrity...then they will have the tox etc. and results of the search warrants and interviews with others....and right now their concern is whether to charge him or not based on what they have. Per the rules on cams they should have turned those on the minute they got out of the car...did they? I have not heard that they did so there is a problem for sure. The biker supposedly was videoing the aftermath...assume they have that...so based on the way other cases have gone is the next step the MPD coming out and charging him? I read that no grand jury here just up to Freeman the county attorney.

 

[turaj]

was "sleuthing" around trying to see anything new on this case and honestly there is nothing...but just reading this summary which I believe is a nice simple summary of what went down in this quiet neighborhood on that night "It is unclear exactly why Damond left her house. Some reports have said investigators think she was trying to get the attention of officers to direct them to the right location, since they had driven too far along the alleyway. But we do know, from a search warrant, that investigators believe she slapped the back of the police SUV as she approached it, and that the driver, Harrity, said he was startled by a loud noise. It was Noor, in the passenger seat, who pulled the trigger, shooting across his partner and through the window, striking Damond in the abdomen."

It is really that simple...all reports indicate that frankly it was Harrity that was startled...I guess that is what prompted Noor to shoot and if the MPD can justify that I give up!!

 

[Karinna]

I assume right now as information is compiled the only first hand info is from Harrity...then they will have the tox etc. and results of the search warrants and interviews with others....and right now their concern is whether to charge him or not based on what they have. Per the rules on cams they should have turned those on the minute they got out of the car...did they? I have not heard that they did so there is a problem for sure. The biker supposedly was videoing the aftermath...assume they have that...so based on the way other cases have gone is the next step the MPD coming out and charging him? I read that no grand jury here just up to Freeman the county attorney.

BBM, Yes Harrity is the only other person who knows what actually happened. He is also not wanting to talk about it, as can probably be expected.
And i agree it is a process and we probably won't know much more until it is decided whether to charge Noor. However long that will take is anyone's guess, but i did read an msm article that stated this case would be expedited because of it involving Australia's response as well by the Govt. over there and Justine's family of course.
Maybe they will wait until after Justine's funeral service next month, and proceed further after that with any charges etc.?

 

[Karinna]

was "sleuthing" around trying to see anything new on this case and honestly there is nothing...but just reading this summary which I believe is a nice simple summary of what went down in this quiet neighborhood on that night "It is unclear exactly why Damond left her house. Some reports have said investigators think she was trying to get the attention of officers to direct them to the right location, since they had driven too far along the alleyway. But we do know, from a search warrant, that investigators believe she slapped the back of the police SUV as she approached it, and that the driver, Harrity, said he was startled by a loud noise. It was Noor, in the passenger seat, who pulled the trigger, shooting across his partner and through the window, striking Damond in the abdomen."

It is really that simple...all reports indicate that frankly it was Harrity that was startled...I guess that is what prompted Noor to shoot and if the MPD can justify that I give up!!

I have read a couple of differing stories about what all happened too, from an initial story of Harrity talking to her at the car window just before Noor shoots, and then it changed to loud noises heard, fireworks?, a couple of gunshots?, and Noor then shooting his weapon, after Justine slaps the back of the vehicle and then appears at the car window on Harrity's side of it.
So goodness knows?

 

[Karinna]

I wonder why we haven't heard anything from any of Justine's neighbours if they heard any screaming or if they witnessed anything? Haven't seen anything mentioned.

 

[turaj]

BBM, Yes Harrity is the only other person who knows what actually happened. He is also not wanting to talk about it, as can probably be expected.
And i agree it is a process and we probably won't know much more until it is decided whether to charge Noor. However long that will take is anyone's guess, but i did read an msm article that stated this case would be expedited because of it involving Australia's response as well by the Govt. over there and Justine's family of course.
Maybe they will wait until after Justine's funeral service next month, and proceed further after that with any charges etc.?

I agree that they will wait until after the service..it was Aug. 11 I believe.....as to Harrity I am not sure we know how much he is saying...of course his future here with the MPD is on the line too ...but so far all I can see is a possible infraction about the lack of cam turned on as they exited the car? If he is an honorable person he will tell the truth as he knows it. I am not certain how often he worked with Noor to know his usual demeanor and if something was off that night...of course he knows what Noor said in advance of the shooting which will be very important...I think Hannity's atty is no doubt being very careful what he says but I think they are cooperating.