MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[katydid23]

So of course I do not know who Darryl Wilson is so I googled his name. There are many people named Darryl Wilson. Could you give me some help in learning about the one you are speaking of? Thanks

oops, darren not darryl--
He was the officer that was assaulted by Michael Brown, and they got into a tussle over the weapon, and Brown was shot and killed. Bystanders LIED to the press in the first hour, and said he had his hands up, and was shot in his back. Those were eventually proven to be lies, as forensics and other witnesses showed.

But the damage was already done, and people put the officers address on twitter, put his child's name and school online, and where his wife worked. Protesters camped out in his front yard--he had to go into hiding, yanking his child out of school.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-life-is-like-for-darren-wilson-after-ferguson-shooting-2015-8

 

[grammieto5]

That was Officer Harrity's statement to investigators.
She was on foot, not floating. Anyone can walk or run from the rear of a vehicle to the window of the vehicle if it is cruising along fairly slowly. I doubt they would of been racing through the alley. I guess the car would of been at a stop for Noor to be able to shoot his weapon or not?

No of course she was not floating. Everything seems to have happened so fast with this shooting. Starting with the first 911 call ending with CPR on Justine.

 

[grammieto5]

oops, darren not darryl--
He was the officer that was assaulted by Michael Brown, and they got into a tussle over the weapon, and Brown was shot and killed. Bystanders LIED to the press in the first hour, and said he had his hands up, and was shot in his back. Those were eventually proven to be lies, as forensics and other witnesses showed.

But the damage was already done, and people put the officers address on twitter, put his child's name and school online, and where his wife worked. Protesters camped out in his front yard--he had to go into hiding, yanking his child out of school.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-life-is-like-for-darren-wilson-after-ferguson-shooting-2015-8

OMG, I did not know of this. Thank you, I will read more about it.

WOW! interesting read. I won't say more, for sure this is political.

 

[KaaBoom]

That is faulty reasoning. The police are given the duty and responsibility to detain and arrest people who are breaking the law. That is done to protect and serve the other citizens.

In trying to detain and arrest people, there are always going to be some who fight and try to injure the officers. There are legal protections allowing officers to respond with a higher level of force in response.

No one is going to take on the job of trying to arrest gang members, if they are not given legal protection to respond with force.

There are an average of 12 million arrests per year. How many of those arrests end up in deaths?



"It's an extraordinarily rare event. But the fact is, (in) 2012, there were 12,197,000 arrests in the United States, OK? And there were 410 uses of deadly force. Now that is, I think, three-thousands of a percent. So, it’s still an extraordinarily rare event."


http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...police-shootings-occur-tiny-percentage-arres/

No, it is your reasoning that is faulty. You are missing the point. Statistically taxicab drivers are far more at risk of being murdered or assaulted in their cab, then cops are to be killed or assaulted. The job of LEOs in America is only a moderately dangerous job at best, compared to other occupations. Cops are killing people who are unarmed and no threat to them, under the pretense that the person might be armed and dangerous. Well guess what? When a cop turns on his red and blue lights behind me, statistically I am in 20 times more danger then he is. I'm not thinking he is armed and dangerous, I know he is armed and dangerous. I can see his hand on his gun when he walks up to my car. I'm the one in more danger, than he is. Yet he can shoot me right there, and get away with it, even if I have no weapon and am of no threat to him. That is the reasoning that you don't seem to understand.

 

[katydid23]

No, it is your reasoning that is faulty. You are missing the point. Statistically taxicab drivers are far more at risk of being murdered or assaulted in their cab, then cops are to be killed or assaulted. The job of LEOs in America is only a moderately dangerous job at best, compared to other occupations. Cops are killing people who are unarmed and no threat to them, under the pretense that the person might be armed and dangerous. Well guess what? When a cop turns on his red and blue lights behind me, statistically I am in 20 times more danger then he is. I'm not thinking he is armed and dangerous, I know he is armed and dangerous. I can see his hand on his gun when he walks up to my car. I'm the one in more danger, than he is. Yet he can shoot me right there, and get away with it, even if I have no weapon and am of no threat to him. That is the reasoning that you don't seem to understand.

I posted my reply in the polivent forum so we wouldn't go OT here...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ce-shoot-and-kill-woman-who-called-911/page12

 

[katydid23]

No, it is your reasoning that is faulty. You are missing the point. Statistically taxicab drivers are far more at risk of being murdered or assaulted in their cab, then cops are to be killed or assaulted. The job of LEOs in America is only a moderately dangerous job at best, compared to other occupations. Cops are killing people who are unarmed and no threat to them, under the pretense that the person might be armed and dangerous. Well guess what? When a cop turns on his red and blue lights behind me, statistically I am in 20 times more danger then he is. I'm not thinking he is armed and dangerous, I know he is armed and dangerous. I can see his hand on his gun when he walks up to my car. I'm the one in more danger, than he is. Yet he can shoot me right there, and get away with it, even if I have no weapon and am of no threat to him. That is the reasoning that you don't seem to understand.

"deledted and posted it in polievent...'

 

[flourish]

Deleted as was responding to a post which was later deleted

 

[flourish]

Ditto

 

[Jax49]

Noor was making $20/hour to put his life on the line and that is after a raise. Sorry but my daughter sells cosmetics for an hourly rate close to that.

As of November 2015 he was making $26.97 an hour. The $19.63 was a training wage. moo

Officer Noor attending 29 weeks of cadet training before being hired on a 12-month probationary contract. His program started in March of 2015, with Noor receiving an entry level salary of $19.63 an hour with a standard pay increase that November to $26.97 an hour.

http://www.fox9.com/news/269897923-story

 

[turaj]

Didn't they indicate to the dispatcher that the area was clear and they were leaving?

yes they did.

 

[turaj]

As of November 2015 he was making $26.97 an hour. The $19.63 was a training wage. moo



http://www.fox9.com/news/269897923-story

sorry I got that wrong...my point still holds...not much to risk your life. I guess my problem with the recruits today is so few are entering law enforcement because it is a calling for them...they really want to do it...for so many it is they can get paid during the training and maybe they , like Noor, have tried other things and this just seems like a good idea. Some come on after military but not sure the force is made up of people really wanting to serve anymore. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Betty P]

No of course she was not floating. Everything seems to have happened so fast with this shooting. Starting with the first 911 call ending with CPR on Justine.

At this point, we don't know how quickly anything happened. For all we know, she could have been standing at the car window talking to Harrity. We don't know if she ran up behind the car, touched it or anything.

The officers turned off their bodycams and so far there are no witnesses. Best to wait until we see more details. Hopefully there's some video from nearby security cams.

 

[Betty P]

As of November 2015 he was making $26.97 an hour. The $19.63 was a training wage. moo


http://www.fox9.com/news/269897923-story

Also lots of overtime pay (double or time and a half), full benefits and a nice pension. Most workers today don't get ovetime pay or pensions. It's a pretty good deal for someone with a 2 yr degree.

 

[anonypotomous]

The other poster if you read back posted about getting out of their vehicle to search.
They had only just arrived in the alley and within 1 minute Justine was there and was shot. No time for anything else that LE could have done. It all happened very very quickly.

Can you link to the MSM link that mentions them getting out of their vehicle. I can't find it. Thanks!

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I've seen lots of police videos where the shooting is unjustifiable. Hands up or when following a request to get their license out, etc. I know (knew) an unarmed person here locally who was shot by police. In no time at all, and he was shot.
I totally respect police, but in my opinion there are cray cray ones out there.


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[Karinna]

Can you link to the MSM link that mentions them getting out of their vehicle. I can't find it. Thanks!

I am not the person that stated that. Read back a few pages and you will see it was posted as an opinion.There is no msm link because the poster was speculating.

 

[Karinna]

At this point, we don't know how quickly anything happened. For all we know, she could have been standing at the car window talking to Harrity. We don't know if she ran up behind the car, touched it or anything.

The officers turned off their bodycams and so far there are no witnesses. Best to wait until we see more details. Hopefully there's some video from nearby security cams.

We only have the timeline in msm to go by, and that is gathered from when the call to dispatch was logged until LE got to the alley. The timing is all provable from the start to when the victim gets shot.

 

[anonypotomous]

I am not the person that stated that. Read back a few pages and you will see it was posted as an opinion.There is no msm link because the poster was speculating.

Ah, ok. gotcha.


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[Betty P]

We only have the timeline in msm to go by, and that is gathered from when the call to dispatch was logged until LE got to the alley. The timing is all provable from the start to when the victim gets shot.

Yes, that's all that's available: a timeline for some activities. It doesn't provide much information about what was going on, what people were thinking, saying, doing or planning.

 

[Karinna]

Yes, that's all that's available: a timeline for some activities. It doesn't provide much information about what was going on, what people were thinking, saying, doing or planning.

I'm not really sure what you mean, but we can only go by the information we have so far.
Justine's first call to 911 was at 11:27 pm. Her second call was made 8 minutes later at 11:35 pm.
These are the Transcripts regarding her 911 calls
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...call-to-minneapolis-police-transcript/8726024
Going by her second call LE arrives 6 minutes later at 11:41 pm. By 11:42 pm. she has been shot and CPR performed.
So within one minute after LE arrived in the alley Noor had shot her, after Harrity states to investigators that a loud noise was heard just prior to Justine appearing on Harrity's side of the vehicle at the window.
I have no clue what anyone was thinking, saying or planning, but we certainly know what they were doing because of what happened in such a short space of time to cause Justine's death.
The purpose of LE arriving on scene was to check out the screaming in the alley that Justine reported hearing, and it all went very wrong after that.