MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Damarna]

http://www.kare11.com/news/justine-damonds-home-searched-after-fatal-shooting/464560679

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Articles recently have brought up the search of Justine's home. But it is referring only to that initial search. This has probably been mentioned but this interested me:

<Snip> "... Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension obtained a search warrant for Damond's home. Those warrrants spell out how agents checked inside for blood, hair, guns, ammunition, knives, drugs or writings They took nothing from the home.

The Damond family attorney says the search was appropriate considering the circumstances.*"

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[turaj]

nothing new...so sad that this is taking so long but can't imagine the family having to wait. Noor sure has had enough time to come up with his story.

 

[turaj]

well as of yesterday we have a new police Chief...as you may recall the other one was asked to resign after this police shooting...one too many on her watch...so "Rondo" is now the chief...he was next in command. I have always assumed no announcements would come out until this new chief was in place...so now hoping they announce they are charging Noor.

 

[jjenny]

Well, if it was a regular citizen, and he shot a woman as she approached his car, hard to imagine how there would be no arrest by now, even if that citizen claimed he was spooked when the woman approached.

 

[katydid23]

Well, if it was a regular citizen, and he shot a woman as she approached his car, hard to imagine how there would be no arrest by now, even if that citizen claimed he was spooked when the woman approached.

There are different laws in place for Law Enforcement. And I think rightfully so.

When a 'regular' citizen is driving in an alley, they are just on their way home, not looking to arrest anyone.

When a police car is in an alley, they are usually there to look for criminal behavior, and thus they become targets. Six cops were shot Friday night in a 2 hour period. Cops ARE targeted. We cannot ignore that facet of their work.

 

[jjenny]

There are different laws in place for Law Enforcement. And I think rightfully so.

When a 'regular' citizen is driving in an alley, they are just on their way home, not looking to arrest anyone.

When a police car is in an alley, they are usually there to look for criminal behavior, and thus they become targets. Six cops were shot Friday night in a 2 hour period. Cops ARE targeted. We cannot ignore that facet of their work.

Different laws in place for police? So police are above the law?

 

[katydid23]

Different laws in place for police? So police are above the law?

No, not 'above' the law. They have a separate, specific set of laws because of their specific job requirements. They are allowed more benefit of the doubt because of the reality of their circumstances. And they are allowed a higher level of force in response to aggression.

If you or I see someone with their hands in their pockets or waistband, we have no reason to fear they are about to shoot us. Cops do have a valid concern because they are being asked to detain and arrest people running from warrants, etc.

We cannot ask them to wear badge and do that dangerous job, but then leave them hanging in the wind, if it all goes sideways.

 

[jjenny]

No, not 'above' the law. They have a separate, specific set of laws because of their specific job requirements. They are allowed more benefit of the doubt because of the reality of their circumstances. And they are allowed a higher level of force in response to aggression.

If you or I see someone with their hands in their pockets or waistband, we have no reason to fear they are about to shoot us. Cops do have a valid concern because they are being asked to detain and arrest people running from warrants, etc.

We cannot ask them to wear badge and do that dangerous job, but then leave them hanging in the wind, if it all goes sideways.

What laws say : such and such is a crime, unless a policeman did it? And nobody makes anyone to go become a policeman. If you are scared of your own shadow, by all means, find a different job. They take the job knowing it could be a dangerous job. It doesn't give them the right to shoot and kill un-armed people who aren't a danger to anyone.
What is know so far is:
A woman called police for help. The policeman who showed up shot and killed her (for no apparent reason as far as I am concerned). Since he hasn't given an interview to investigators, we don't even know what his motivation was in killing her. And you are suggesting it's all well and good because he is a policeman and they have a dangerous job?

 

[flourish]

Police already have different expectations. I can't go lawfully insist someone allow me entrance into their home, because no judge is going to grant random old me a warrant. I can't search people or their cars or turn on my special car lights only to get through an intersection quicker. I'm not arguing whether or not they should, but they already do...

 

[katydid23]

What laws say : such and such is a crime, unless a policeman did it? And nobody makes anyone to go become a policeman. If you are scared of your own shadow, by all means, find a different job. They take the job knowing it could be a dangerous job. It doesn't give them the right to shoot and kill un-armed people who aren't a danger to anyone.
What is know so far is:
A woman called police for help. The policeman who showed up shot and killed her (for no apparent reason as far as I am concerned). Since he hasn't given an interview to investigators, we don't even know what his motivation was in killing her. And you are suggesting it's all well and good because he is a policeman and they have a dangerous job?

I am not saying this cop shouldn't be charged. I think he should be and he will be.

I am just saying that there are different laws regarding lethal force and Law Enforcement officers as opposed to regular citizens.

 

[katydid23]

I know people will throw tomatoes and shoes at me for saying this, but I think Officer Noor is possibly a 'victim ' of governmental political correctness.

I think the political forces really wanted more Somali officers, so they took this Real Estate agent and FAST TRACKED him, then threw him out onto the streets with a total rookie, like the blind leading the blind.

So, although I do believe he should be arrested and charged criminally, I do have sympathy for his situation.

 

[turaj]

There are different laws in place for Law Enforcement. And I think rightfully so.

When a 'regular' citizen is driving in an alley, they are just on their way home, not looking to arrest anyone.

When a police car is in an alley, they are usually there to look for criminal behavior, and thus they become targets. Six cops were shot Friday night in a 2 hour period. Cops ARE targeted. We cannot ignore that facet of their work.

You know this story over the weekend really hit home...the word ambushed was used in these cases and in these cases the cops were targeted...I think some may have died...so I see Noor's attorney using this big time as his client will be pleading not guilty IF CHARGED>

 

[turaj]

No, not 'above' the law. They have a separate, specific set of laws because of their specific job requirements. They are allowed more benefit of the doubt because of the reality of their circumstances. And they are allowed a higher level of force in response to aggression.

If you or I see someone with their hands in their pockets or waistband, we have no reason to fear they are about to shoot us. Cops do have a valid concern because they are being asked to detain and arrest people running from warrants, etc.

We cannot ask them to wear badge and do that dangerous job, but then leave them hanging in the wind, if it all goes sideways.

In a discussion about all the shootings this weekend mention was made of these men/women being asked to make split second decisions sometimes non stop on a bad night...that is not what a regular citizen is faced with routinely and therefore yes I think it is a different standard. That said....Noor was not in the kind of places that these cops were over the weekend and your beat makes a big difference. His talk of ambush just had no reasonable explanation ...at least to me!!

 

[turaj]

I know people will throw tomatoes and shoes at me for saying this, but I think Officer Noor is possibly a 'victim ' of governmental political correctness.

I think the political forces really wanted more Somali officers, so they took this Real Estate agent and FAST TRACKED him, then threw him out onto the streets with a total rookie, like the blind leading the blind.

So, although I do believe he should be arrested and charged criminally, I do have sympathy for his situation.

katy...I have not exactly heard him described that way but you are correct...he only returned to Minneapolis and joined the force because he did not succeed in St. Louis in the real estate...he could get paid and go on the fast track...he had advantage by being Somali and they wanted to hire some...yep Katy has this right.

 

[jjenny]

Nobody made this guy to become a policeman. He would have to apply like everybody else.

 

[blue22]

Nobody made this guy to become a policeman. He would have to apply like everybody else.

They actually did fast track him, though. It's a program they have and he went through it. They way they paraded him around and made a huge deal about him being a Somali on the force...I do believe he was a diversity hire and nothing more. I think he was incredibly ill prepared, and obviously didn't have the mental aptitude for the job. Something they could have known, if he had gone through a normal hiring process.

Now, that doesn't assuage any guilt or personal responsibility. It's something his lawyers can (and I think will) use in defense. I hope he gets charged with the stiffest penalty under the law. But I see this issue being a sticking point if/when a trial happens.

 

[Jennifer17]

They actually did fast track him, though. It's a program they have and he went through it. They way they paraded him around and made a huge deal about him being a Somali on the force...I do believe he was a diversity hire and nothing more. I think he was incredibly ill prepared, and obviously didn't have the mental aptitude for the job. Something they could have known, if he had gone through a normal hiring process.

Now, that doesn't assuage any guilt or personal responsibility. It's something his lawyers can (and I think will) use in defense. I hope he gets charged with the stiffest penalty under the law. But I see this issue being a sticking point if/when a trial happens.

Then if his lawyer goes that way, Justine's family will have great material to sue the Police Department.

 

[blue22]

Then if his lawyer goes that way, Justine's family will have great material to sue the Police Department.

The will likely sue anyway. (as they should, IMO.) His lawyers would have nothing to lose with that angle. It wouldn't be about protecting the department, anyway. It would be about protecting him. I don't think a lawyer would give a care about her family suing the department.

 

[human]

Then if his lawyer goes that way, Justine's family will have great material to sue the Police Department.

I am wondering how that would work. I think the only ones that could sue would be the parents? Her fiancee, I think, would have no standing.

Lawyers in the US charge just to speak with them so to coordinate with someone in Australia would be really hard. Of course, they could Skype or Facetime or even Magic Jack. The difference in time zones would add difficulty . Would an attorney take this on contingency?

 

[turaj]

I am wondering how that would work. I think the only ones that could sue would be the parents? Her fiancee, I think, would have no standing.

Lawyers in the US charge just to speak with them so to coordinate with someone in Australia would be really hard. Of course, they could Skype or Facetime or even Magic Jack. The difference in time zones would add difficulty . Would an attorney take this on contingency?

I am sure Bennett is taking this case on contingency...he got a 4 mil settlement in the Castile case and should do even better on this one. I do think it will have to be the father that has to bring it and he will sign documents so that Don Damond can handle the day to day stuff here...having clients on another continent is not a big deal and I would have to think the father in Australia has a lawyer that will handle what is sure to be a complicated international case. Lots of lawyers involved who will all get well paid at the end of the day.