MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

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My opinion. During the tussle, an agent removed his firearm, upon bringing it up and away from those present, for some reason it discharged. That Sig is known for accidental discharge, or the agent accidentally fired the weapon in the heat of the moment. That negligent discharge is part of what started the rest of the shooting.

Also, it's possible when the agent disarmed the man, in the chaos, another agent saw the weapon and not realizing who held it, yelled "gun". That, in conjunction with the negligent discharge, set the ball rolling.

My opinion. Had the armed man not inserted himself in to the situation he'd be alive today.

omg, wow.
The tussle
My opinion. Had the armed man not inserted himself in to the situation he'd be alive today.

I strongly believe it is not off-topic to remind us all of how LE can be just an extension of political motivation and design.

When do legally protesting civilians become fools?

I think History has shown us enough of what can happen with specifically trained militia searching for particular people, for political reasons.
History can repeat itself, and we have to understand this--hopefully sooner rather than later.
  • 1933: Early camps were established, and while mainly for political prisoners, torture and killings occurred.
  • 1939 (Invasion of Poland): Widespread, immediate killings of Polish civilians, including intellectuals and Jews, began.
  • 1941 (Systematic Genocide): The Holocaust began, with mass shootings and, later, gas chambers murdering millions.
  • Early violence, including the Reichstag Fire Decree in 1933, laid the foundation for mass civilian killings throughout the 1930s and 1940s
 
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A federal judge in Minnesota has blocked the Trump administration from "destroying or altering evidence" related to today's fatal shooting of Pretti.
[snip]
Judge Eric Tostrud's order includes any "evidence that Defendants and those working on their behalf removed from the scene and/or evidence that Defendants have taken into their exclusive custody," it states.
Judge orders Trump administration officials to preserve evidence from shooting

Unfortunately I dont think this will matter at all, there was plenty of time for those involved to have already destroyed evidence, and as we have seen for ourselves more then once this month, they dont follow rules if any kind, and especially not actual LE protocols, so I very much doubt there was any proper processing and securing of evidence happening at all.
More likely someone scooped up anything incriminating (apparently that included actual witnesses!) and walked away.
No documenting, no anything even slightly resembling correct procedure 🙁
MOO!
 
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The 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms, specifically against a tyrannical government. Considering the blatant lies we have ALL seen from numerous government officials today regarding this situation, I would say that tyrannical government is here. Also if you can be shot and killed in the street for simply having a gun on you (legally - per the 2nd Amendment and the permit he had), then we don’t actually have 2nd amendment rights anymore. And that goes for every single American. Look, I don’t even like guns, I don’t own guns, I don’t shoot guns. But I respect that people are legally allowed to have them and carry them in this country. And that right seemed to be taken away from someone today, who was breaking exactly ZERO laws. He was killed over it and I don’t understand how some people can still defend this. IMO.
Agree. One note though, they had taken his gun, beaten him, pistol whipped him, THEN TWO of they emptied their guns into his motionless body. So on top of no "just cause", they acted like utter demons, to both the woman Alex was trying to help and to Alex. We MUST speak to what this IS in no uncertain terms.
 
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My opinion, this is an important point. It isn't the right of a person to interfere with Federal authorities who are engaged in legal operations in the United States. To attempt to obstruct is dangerous, and to arm up and do so is insanity.

Those who perpetuate the idea that it's ok to do so are contributing to the madness. My opinion.
People have the right to peacefully protest. The woman that was thrown to the ground was not at fault. They are the ones that started it. Then they murdered a man who was trying to help.

IMO
 
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If it was about immigration ICE/CBP would be in Texas right now

They are operating in Texas and many other places that don't get the attention that Minneapolis is getting. This article says state and local authorities are assisting ICE in Texas, so I think it's possible they aren't getting attention there because ICE is able to operate, make arrests, and move on.

IMO
 
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the most dangerous weapon Alex Pretti had was a camera and THAT, not his legally owned concealed holstered firearm, is what got him killed MOO JMO IMO
 
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They are operating in Texas and many other places that don't get the attention that Minneapolis is getting. This article says state and local authorities are assisting ICE in Texas, so I think it's possible they aren't getting attention there because ICE is able to operate, make arrests, and move on.

IMO
because those on the border are there to control the border. Those in MN are there based on a completely different agenda. JMO
 
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Filming ICE/CBP or helping a fellow citizen is interfering with law enforcement.

Carrying a holstered weapon you have a permit for is brandishing a gun.

Up is down. Democracy is autocracy. All is meaningless.

The United States of Anything Goes.
If you watch independent journalists who have been out there in freezing temps since the protests began a month ago, you'll see the REAL America. They interview participants who represent us. We are smart, brave, compassionate, empathetic, strong, just. We know the constitution and we know the law. We have a moral compass. We look out for our neighbors. The current federal government is an abomination, and does not represent the majority.
 
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ICE has been in Portland, Oregon for months and months. They are masked, unnamed, armed. They stalk kids at school, they racially profile citizens driving in their cars or at their jobs. They attack, they harass, they kidnap. Their only purpose is chaos and fear. We've been protesting them for as long as they've been here, day after day. ICE violence escalates in Portland, but the movement to evict agents from the city grows

“This is Oregon. We do not need you. You’re not welcome. And you need to get the hell out of our community,” said Oregon State Senator Casey Jama, himself a former refugee from Somalia, at a press conference just hours after the shooting.

Within hours, organizations called for demonstrations. Labor unions and immigrant rights groups held a candlelight vigil in front of city hall, across a park from the Justice Center that had acted as the center of the city’s 2020 protest wave.

“It is infuriating that this administration thinks that they can send their armed goons into our community to spill blood and expect no accountability,” said City Councilor Candace Avalos, whose district is home to the largest number of immigrants and refugees in the City of Portland.
 
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Wait, do I read this well? You say the victim is to be blamed for the gross incompetence and blatant disregard of the procedures displayed in this scenario by the agents?
Hmmm.

MOO
"In the aftermath Doar says he would recommend concealed carry permit holders in Minneapolis think carefully about the situations they take their gun into."

I totally agree with Doar.

 
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If there's a charge of murder in this incident I'd be grateful to see definitive evidence of said charge.

If the decedent's firearm was holstered I'd be grateful to see definitive evidence therof.

My opinion is that there is much subjective speculation relative to this incident but at this juncture little factual evidence exists of what truly occurred in the tussell seen in the vids.
A 'tussle'?
 
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"In the aftermath Doar says he would recommend concealed carry permit holders in Minneapolis think carefully about the situations they take their gun into."

I totally agree with Doar.

So that Constitutional right of all Americans should just be considered suspended during certain times/in certain places, and you're ok with that.
 
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because those on the border are there to control the border. Those in MN are there based on a completely different agenda. JMO

The article I posted mentions Dallas and Houston and large operations there with support from state and local LE. Those places are not on the border. Houston and Dallas are both more than 5 hours from the border. It seems the locations where local LE are able to assist things are calmer and they conduct their operations and move on.


The most high-profile operations are street raids, where ICE agents, often accompanied by state troopers and local police, target a particular area or business and arrest groups of undocumented immigrants.

Some of the biggest raids have taken place in and around Houston: In May, ICE said it deported more than 500 people and arrested more than 400 suspected undocumented immigrants in and around the city in roughly one week. In October, ICE carried out another massive operation in Houston over the course of 10 days, in which they said they arrested more than 1,500 undocumented immigrants.
 
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They are operating in Texas and many other places that don't get the attention that Minneapolis is getting. This article says state and local authorities are assisting ICE in Texas, so I think it's possible they aren't getting attention there because ICE is able to operate, make arrests, and move on.

IMO
They certainly aren't doing the dog and pony show like in MN. Could it be because it's a red state?
 
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"In the aftermath Doar says he would recommend concealed carry permit holders in Minneapolis think carefully about the situations they take their gun into."

I totally agree with Doar.

The quote after the one you pulled is the more important quote from that article IMO. “Gun owners may now have to worry about being shot for exercising their 2nd amendment rights” You don’t see ANY problems with the fact that US citizens are being shot by federal agents for exercising their constitutional rights? That everyone should just give up their rights because the government may shoot them as they walk down the street? And we are supposed to be a free democratic country?? Hmmm. All MOO
 

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"Dog and pony show" is a colloquial term that has come to mean a highly promoted, often over-staged performance, presentation, or event designed to sway or convince opinion for political, or less often, commercial ends.

MOO the issue here is that there is a difference of opinion on exactly WHO is putting on a dog and pony show in MN.
 
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My opinion. During the tussle, an agent removed his firearm, upon bringing it up and away from those present, for some reason it discharged. That Sig is known for accidental discharge, or the agent accidentally fired the weapon in the heat of the moment. That negligent discharge is part of what started the rest of the shooting.

Also, it's possible when the agent disarmed the man, in the chaos, another agent saw the weapon and not realizing who held it, yelled "gun". That, in conjunction with the negligent discharge, set the ball rolling.

My opinion. Had the armed man not inserted himself in to the situation he'd be alive today.
How do you explain away two ICE agents emptying their clips into a man lying motionless on the ground? It's all on video. Both Renee and Alex would be alive today if not for ICE murdering and attacking American citizens on American soil. No reason. No just cause. Arbitrary violence and murder against American citizens in an American city. Who gave this order? jmo
 
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How do you explain away two ICE agents emptying their clips into a man lying motionless on the ground? It's all on video.
And I expect that when the autopsy report comes out about Alex’s death, every single one of those shots will in his back. His hands were flat on the ground as he was being shot and officers had him pressed down to the ground when they started shooting him.
 

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