MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

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  • #441
WOW, color me shocked. The NRA has made a public statement about the shooting and defending Alex’s 2nd amendment rights, and called out the tweet from the States Attorney.

Well, I think we know why some people who were very vocally blaming Renee for her shooting are not blaming Alex for his.

Vance comes to mind. The NYPost comes to mind.

They don't want to annoy the NRA.

MOO
 
  • #442
Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over

“Do as we say or we’ll terrorize your citizens with federal agents”.

Remind me again, how is this not fascism? What do voting records and Medicaid files have to do with immigration enforcement? How is extorting local governments by use of federal forces anything but terrorism committed by our own government against us?
 
  • #443
Very likely what they were doing. Recently it came out that ICE stole a teenager’s phone after detaining him and his father because the teen recorded them abusing him and his father.

Link to that story: ICE Reportedly Stole a 10th Grader’s Phone, Then Seemingly Sold It for Cash
I was prepared to see the shooting, and the death, in the video. The ICE agents all stood back a few feet for a moment. Then they all approached the body, got on their hands and knees, and grabbed at him, shoved him, rifled him. It was as though they had no awareness of what they had done, and no respect for a deceased man. It looked like they were desperate to grab evidence and alter the scene.

Police officers are trained to preserve the scene and wait for an analysis of the shooting. These shooters did not appear to conduct themselves like police.
 
  • #444
Wait, what? Bondi is asking MN for its voter rolls. From the letter she sent Gov Walz, she wants MN to:

Allow the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division to access Minnesota’s voter rolls to confirm the state’s voter registration policies comply with federal law.

Remember, they have the data DOGE stole to cross reference and create very complete dossiers.

MOO
 
  • #445
I listen to Heather Cox Richardson, an expert on American history.
In this podcast she explains "these actions are based in racist beliefs that POC are invading and taking over white people who are going to destroy it. And anyone standing up for POC are also an enemy". [paraphrasing]

Demented and sick.
Thank you for posting. Very informative. Gives a bit of hope, and describes actions Americans can take now w/o resorting to violence.
 
  • #446
My opinion. During the tussle, an agent removed his firearm, upon bringing it up and away from those present, for some reason it discharged. That Sig is known for accidental discharge, or the agent accidentally fired the weapon in the heat of the moment. That negligent discharge is part of what started the rest of the shooting.

Also, it's possible when the agent disarmed the man, in the chaos, another agent saw the weapon and not realizing who held it, yelled "gun". That, in conjunction with the negligent discharge, set the ball rolling.

My opinion. Had the armed man not inserted himself in to the situation he'd be alive today.
With the first shooting (Renee Good), I was prepared to give the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was a possible misunderstanding at the time of the shooting. The one fact that did not fit was that the driver was no threat after the first shot. The ICE agent shot her two more times from a different angle. That could not be explained.

Now we have another shooting with similar circumstances. The first shot removed all threat to the ICE agents, but they kept shooting. That cannot be explained under any circumstances.

It is not an acceptable argument that 5-7 armed ICE agents are so confused and disorganized that, while one agent removes a gun and says "gun" - as it I have the gun, all the other agents don't know what is going on and start shooting up an unarmed man who has been tackled and beaten in the streets. Are they trained agents with protocol, or confused, trigger-happy, frightened men who shoot first and think later?
 
  • #447
An article here that references a statement made by the Minnesota Department of Corrections regarding the individal ICE was allegedly looking for at the time of the shooting:

Minnesota DOC launches new website to 'address ongoing misinformation by DHS'

"The DOC names Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino directly in a statement.

"In the hours following the shooting, U.S. Border Patrol Chief Gregory Bovino held a press conference asserting that the operation was targeting an individual named Jose Huerta-Chuma and characterized him as having a significant criminal history. Because federal statements have repeatedly included inaccurate information about Minnesota custody and criminal records, the DOC reviewed available records to determine whether the individual referenced had any connection to Minnesota state prison custody.
Based on DOC records and publicly available Minnesota court data:

  • The individual identified by federal officials has never been in Minnesota DOC custody.
  • DOC and court records show no felony commitments associated with this
  • Public Minnesota court records reflect only misdemeanor-level traffic offenses from more than a decade ago.
  • The individual is not currently under DOC supervision."
So not only did the man they killed not have a criminal record, seemingly the man they were targeting didn't either, and the head of a US federal agency went in front of the American public and lied about it (again).

All JMO.
 
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  • #448
The victim had a concealed carry permit. There was no visible presence of a gun.

The Ice agents forcibly pushed a woman over for no reason as they walked by her.
The victim went to her aid. The agents then pushed him, then tackled him and beat the hell out of him before they killed him.

I did not see anyone inserting themselves into any ICE operation. All was legal and above board.

Now bad enough his family is left without him - but they also have to be concerned with the false narratives being put out there by our own govt

The victim was by all accounts a “helper” and a good decent honest citizen.
May he rip.
Exactly.

The interference was border control agents against peaceful protesters, legal watchers, people with phone cameras. They were pushed, pepper-sprayed and shot.

In the event that protesters were interfering with something related to border enforcement (In Minneapolis? What border were they guarding?) then the border agents should have called the local LE to ask the police to ensue protesters to protest legally. But, the protesters and watchers were not violating any laws.

Border patrol is supposed to patrol the US border. ICE is supposed to enforce immigration law. And, if there had been any need to deal with protesters or watchers crossing lega lines, MN would have dealt with it themselves.

MOO
 
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  • #450
We MUST keep trying to show and listen to the REAL America.....
We ARE here, and we are so sick of all this.

Is this what THEY want? A Civil War....
THEY want an excuse to control MN militarily right through the midterms.

Or, enough information to control the election via voter data.

MN has been amazingly active and peaceful; they are not taking the bait and becoming violent. If the protests became illegal, THEY would be able to justify their presence with resorting to lies and myths of domestic terrorists.

MOO
 
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WOW, color me shocked. The NRA has made a public statement about the shooting and defending Alex’s 2nd amendment rights, and called out the tweet from the States Attorney.

If you're a Republican administration, and you've lost the NRA.........

As I understand it, the NRA is not the organisation it once was, but it does still have some influence amongst certain circles. In those circles there does seem to be a tendency to think 'the 2nd Amendment is for me but not for thee', and to be fair to the NRA, that isn't the line they take. They've recognised, quite rightly, that the 2nd Amendment either applies to everybody or it applies to nobody.

Now, being British, the idea that ordinary members of the public can walk about in the middle of town carrying concealed firearms is America at its most foreign, but at the end of the day, the right to bear arms is in your Constitution and concealed carry in the laws of various states. Alex Pretti availed himself of his rights under the Constitution of the United States and the laws of the State of Minnesota. If American LE officers have the right to just shot anybody they come into contact with who is legally carrying a firearm, then the 2nd Amendment becomes a fiction, hence the NRA's position.
 
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  • #453
This interview is bonkers. Lie after lie. And calling Alex Pretti "the suspect" is beyond the pale. He's the damn victim.

"Dana Bash presses Greg Bovino about video analysis that appears to contradict DHS account of fatal shooting of Alex Pretti"

per Bovino Pretti brought a fully loaded weapon to a RIOT.

definition: a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd. [I saw maybe four people who were not ICE agents and I saw no violence or escalation except on the part of those agents]

per Bovino Pretti INJECTED himself into a targeted law enforcement action

definition: introduce (a new or different element) into something, especially as a boost or interruption. [I saw nobody interrupting or boosting anything, unless we are now defining video taping in a public area as such]

per Bovino Pretti did so with a weapon in order to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement

[my eyes saw something entirely different]

The highly trained agents prevented any specific shootings of law enforcement

[bull 💩]

Bovino: did he accidently while walking down the street step into a LE situation where he directed traffic and then delayed and assaulted LE?

[this man is delusional]

Bovino: he fell victim to the violent rhetoric of Governor Walz. Fell victim to gestapo rhetoric from officials.

[walks like a goose talks like a goose, steps like a goose - goosestep here goosestep there, do si do]

I can't watch this crap anymore, I got less than halfway through it. basically the party line is apparently Pretti was violently assaulting LE by filming them and they deescalated the situation by using pepper spray and tackling him. It's Pretti's bad that he didn't leave the scene at that point, not the fault of the six or seven agents holding him down. He choose to stay there and die.

F this guy. I am closing the laptop for a while because I am so heated right now I just cannot.
 
  • #454
With the first shooting (Renee Good), I was prepared to give the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was a possible misunderstanding at the time of the shooting. The one fact that did not fit was that the driver was no threat after the first shot. The ICE agent shot her two more times from a different angle. That could not be explained.

Now we have another shooting with similar circumstances. The first shot removed all threat to the ICE agents, but they kept shooting. That cannot be explained under any circumstances.

It is not an acceptable argument that 5-7 armed ICE agents are so confused and disorganized that, while one agent removes a gun and says "gun" - as it I have the gun, all the other agents don't know what is going on and start shooting up an unarmed man who has been tackled and beaten in the streets. Are they trained agents with protocol, or confused, trigger-happy, frightened men who shoot first and think later?
Well, I'm glad you are opening your mind.

In both shootings, though, there is no doubt to gift to anyone in so far that shooters shot victims dead. Both shootings have multiple camera angles. While there is no doubts to be had about the shootings, there could be doubt about internal processes and motives. We can't see the intentions of the shooter, only infer them. Internal processes do matter in a court of law.

Statements right after the shootings and behaviors will be what juries have to consider. Someday, juries will be watching those videos for the behaviors of the shooters with scrutiny. I don't think walking away, going through pockets, denying or resisting Good Samaritan medical help, or mocking the victim will play well to a jury.

I'm so proud of MN so for peaceful, lawful, and vigorous protests, and to leadership in MN for not jumping to call these shootings murders, no matter how obvious it seems to me that they are murders. The shooters are entitled to a fair trial.

I do wish shooters were arrested already, but it is what it is.

MOO
 
  • #455
IMO If you’re in public recording from a safe distance, fine. If you are closing distance, refusing to move back, stepping into agents, blocking , surrounding, etc. you are not observing , you are interfering and you are going to get treated like a threat. The conceal carry angle is the dumbest part of the debate . A permit does not give you authority. I am very much pro 2A. It doesn’t give you a hall pass to “help” by inserting yourself into a legal federal chaotic enforcement operation . Federal agents will not play intent games. They will treat “I’m helping “ as noise if your body is in the wrong place , you are closing distance and your hands are doing the wrong thing.

Mr. Pretti made horribly foolish decisions that day. I would NEVER encourage anyone I love to take part in this nonsense. IMO
 
  • #456
per Bovino Pretti brought a fully loaded weapon to a RIOT.

definition: a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd. [I saw maybe four people who were not ICE agents and I saw no violence or escalation except on the part of those agents]

per Bovino Pretti INJECTED himself into a targeted law enforcement action

definition: introduce (a new or different element) into something, especially as a boost or interruption. [I saw nobody interrupting or boosting anything, unless we are now defining video taping in a public area as such]

per Bovino Pretti did so with a weapon in order to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement

[my eyes saw something entirely different]

The highly trained agents prevented any specific shootings of law enforcement

[bull 💩]

Bovino: did he accidently while walking down the street step into a LE situation where he directed traffic and then delayed and assaulted LE?

[this man is delusional]

Bovino: he fell victim to the violent rhetoric of Governor Walz. Fell victim to gestapo rhetoric from officials.

[walks like a goose talks like a goose, steps like a goose - goosestep here goosestep there, do si do]

I can't watch this crap anymore, I got less than halfway through it. basically the party line is apparently Pretti was violently assaulting LE by filming them and they deescalated the situation by using pepper spray and tackling him. It's Pretti's bad that he didn't leave the scene at that point, not the fault of the six or seven agents holding him down. He choose to stay there and die.

F this guy. I am closing the laptop for a while because I am so heated right now I just cannot.
Agree, it's impossible and painful to watch, I switched it off too. We can keep reposting Alex Pretti's parents statement on social media to keep who he truly is at the forefront. jmo
 

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IMO If you’re in public recording from a safe distance, fine. If you are closing distance, refusing to move back, stepping into agents, blocking , surrounding, etc. you are not observing , you are interfering and you are going to get treated like a threat. The conceal carry angle is the dumbest part of the debate . A permit does not give you authority. I am very much pro 2A. It doesn’t give you a hall pass to “help” by inserting yourself into a legal federal chaotic enforcement operation . Federal agents will not play intent games. They will treat “I’m helping “ as noise if your body is in the wrong place , you are closing distance and your hands are doing the wrong thing.

Mr. Pretti made horribly foolish decisions that day. I would NEVER encourage anyone I love to take part in this nonsense. IMO

It is probably better to try to understand that a polled US majority do not like what ICE are doing. That the US people will keep resisting. That the govt approach needs to change, and not be shoved down people's throats.

imo


"63 percent of registered voters disapprove of how ICE is handling its job"

 
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IMO If you’re in public recording from a safe distance, fine. If you are closing distance, refusing to move back, stepping into agents, blocking , surrounding, etc. you are not observing , you are interfering and you are going to get treated like a threat. The conceal carry angle is the dumbest part of the debate . A permit does not give you authority. I am very much pro 2A. It doesn’t give you a hall pass to “help” by inserting yourself into a legal federal chaotic enforcement operation . Federal agents will not play intent games. They will treat “I’m helping “ as noise if your body is in the wrong place , you are closing distance and your hands are doing the wrong thing.

Mr. Pretti made horribly foolish decisions that day. I would NEVER encourage anyone I love to take part in this nonsense. IMO
 

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  • #459
I had to come back to say this: at 5:59 in the Dana Bash presses Bovino interview I posted about above, Bovino says "you wouldn't want civilians injecting themselves into something that was none of their business"

and that right there is why Alex Pettri is dead. He refused to believe there was nothing to see there in his city and was filming. He was observing and gathering evidence of how very much there is to see in this administration's federal LE tactics. <modsnip>
 
  • #460
IMO If you’re in public recording from a safe distance, fine. If you are closing distance, refusing to move back, stepping into agents, blocking , surrounding, etc. you are not observing , you are interfering and you are going to get treated like a threat. The conceal carry angle is the dumbest part of the debate . A permit does not give you authority. I am very much pro 2A. It doesn’t give you a hall pass to “help” by inserting yourself into a legal federal chaotic enforcement operation . Federal agents will not play intent games. They will treat “I’m helping “ as noise if your body is in the wrong place , you are closing distance and your hands are doing the wrong thing.

Mr. Pretti made horribly foolish decisions that day. I would NEVER encourage anyone I love to take part in this nonsense. IMO
You are seriously blaming Pretti? He was filming from a safe distance. The agents approached Pretti. He tried to keep his distance, he tried to help a woman who was shoved and pepper sprayed, he was pepper sprayed and incapacitated, he was tackled, he was disarmed, then he was shot.

Never while he was being accosted by the agents did he "brandish" a weapon.
 
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