MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

  • #581
There are a number of categories for legal immigration application and criteria for lawful immigration. Different categories have more or less applicants and the waiting time for application review, vetting, and decision varies with category, etc. For many of us who immigrated to the U.S. legally it sometimes took a few years, so it's hard to say, there are a lot of variables. The important point, though, is that illegals who voluntarily self-deport have that option. Illegals who continue to break the law by remaining in the U.S. will no longer have that option. It's their choice.

Just a few questions as I ponder this for those supporting ICE - is the loss of US citizens' lives and violence used to detain illegal immigrants worth it to deport illegal immigrants? If so, is there a limit to the number of deaths or the number of people seriously injured i.e. 2, 5, 20, 100, 1000? At what point would the risk outweigh the so-called benefits? I am genuinely curious.

And for those who support ICE, is there any part of their current powers that makes you feel uncomfortable? That there is a power displacement with lethal consequences? That they are masked? That they are easily distracted from their task at hand? What instructions they have been given and how to fulfil their task? Accountability? Transparency? Is there any part of this that feels uncomfortable or that things have gone too far? Is the death of US citizens just an unfortunate consequence of implementing this?
 
  • #582
Trump on Sunday also said he would eventually draw back the thousands of federal agents his administration flooded into the Twin Cities.

“At some point we will leave. We’ve done, they’ve done a phenomenal job,” he told the Journal.

He did not provide a timeline for their removal.


 
  • #583
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Too many people are missing the massive point made in this statement IMO.

Noem clearly said in the press conference after the shooting that Minnesota authorities are releasing violent illegal immigrants (instead of turning them over to the federal authorities) and this statement from DOC demonstrate that in fact federal authorities are the ones doing it.
The person they were looking for was never an inmate of Minnesota DOC, he was in fact a federal prisoner who was released by the same federal authorities who are now scrambling to find him (and killing innocent victims in the process).

What more do we need to admit that Noem (and her crew) are lying through their teeth? These lies are what people are protesting for: the lies that they use to justify ICE's actions.
Yes the mis/dis information is out of control. It gets so people don't know what to believe. So I don't just single source much - and tend to read across all platforms and mix it up with the providers. It helps to know who owns what as far as MSM etc. We've seen that recently with CBS censoring some of their 60 minutes episodes.

If I watch the tapes its very clear to me personally who is accurate and who is not accurate on this issue.
This victim was one of the "helpers"that Mr Rogers told us all to look for - his last act was trying to help a woman who had been pushed over onto the icy pavement. I then look to his profession - A VA emergency room nurse and before that a cancer researcher. He cared about people.
"Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man,” they said."
In the moment of his murder and the horror of it, that his family has to worry about people slandering his reputation and his good name seems beyond bizarre to me.
What have we come to if we seek to slander victims and tell untruths about them. Have we as Americans no Grace?

Just my opinion
 
  • #584
Per the media interview with the ICE department (linked upthread), he said that civilians should not interfere with the duties of federal officers. Observing is fine, taking video is fine. In both of these screen shots, it does not look like a friendly conversation. In my opinion, it looks like a confrontation.

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There's no question that excessive force was used, but it doesn't appear to start with excessive force. It appears to start with confrontations between protesters and ICE agents.

I'm sorry, but confronting the agents, protesting their actions, screaming at them, cussing at them -- it's all legal in the US. It may not be very nice (cussing them anyway), but it's not against the law, and it certainly isn't a felony offense. Much less a death penalty crime.

And officers/agents must be able to maintain their composure, follow their rules/training/protocol, and continue doing their job -- even in the face of any annoying words or hostility shown to them by civilians, who are there exercising their Constitutional rights as Americans, and expressing directly to them their disapproval of what the agents are there in their community to do.

That's why all these civilians were out on the street at that time -- to protest ICE actions and to voice their anger and disapproval. They shouted at the agents because they WANTED them to know what they thought about it. That's WHY they were there. They were doing what protesters do, all condoned by US laws. All in the hope that ICE would change their ways. They were there to cause a (peaceful, lawful) disruption.

ICE must be trained better to never react to protesters the way they have done recently. IMO, they're taking it personally, and violently attacking these lawful protesters, mostly because they made them mad, and they feel these mere civilians shouldn't have the right to talk to them like that. So when they do, they're compelled to "show them". But my god, the over the top, unrestrained, inhumane levels of violence and lack of care they show to their fellow human beings is outrageous. Unacceptable. Despicable. Bizarre. IMO.

Because like it or not, the civilians DO have the right to disrespect them and to let them know it.
 
  • #585
Just a few questions as I ponder this for those supporting ICE - is the loss of US citizens' lives and violence used to detain illegal immigrants worth it to deport illegal immigrants? If so, is there a limit to the number of deaths or the number of people seriously injured i.e. 2, 5, 20, 100, 1000? At what point would the risk outweigh the so-called benefits? I am genuinely curious.

And for those who support ICE, is there any part of their current powers that makes you feel uncomfortable? That there is a power displacement with lethal consequences? That they are masked? That they are easily distracted from their task at hand? What instructions they have been given and how to fulfil their task? Accountability? Transparency? Is there any part of this that feels uncomfortable or that things have gone too far? Is the death of US citizens just an unfortunate consequence of implementing this?
Enforcing the law is a basic responsibility of government. Law enforcement should be able to do its job without outside interference, and protesters shouldn’t be allowed to dictate whether or not the law is enforced. imo

Is there a point at which protesters should reconsider their approach?
 
  • #586
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE - it is their job to get illegals out! illegals were told to deport - free trip home and cash on arrival to your home and then you can come back legally! if they have to come and get you, you'll be banned for 10 years or more - leave ice alone to do their job, comply with the officers - respect the officers - all law enforcement should be supported & all law enforcement should be getting illegals out of this country - as its the law and illegals breed crime and are criminals due to the simple fact of them being here illegally💯
Please cite your sources for:

-free trip “home”
-cash upon their arrival
-they can come back legally (people are being arrested while showing up for their legal immigration hearings)
-illegals breed crime

Or you could always edit your post and add “IMO”?
 
  • #587
I can't imagine a scenario where I would think it wise to holster my Glock 19, strap an extra magazine or 2 on my belt, have foreknowledge of the time and location of Federal agent activity for a given day, arrive on scene, and insert myself into the situation such that I find myself face to face with armed Federal agents.
Tell me how this is in anyway relevant to the agents taking him down and shooting him in the back while he was incapacitated. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why he should have been shot/killed for having a weapon, which he wasn't even brandishing. So please stop raising irrelevant facts. So lets stick to the relevant facts around this murder. And, yes, in my opinion it was a murder.
 
  • #588
Once again the lies are found out, the picture of the gun that was supposedly Alex preeti’s was a stock image. Critical thinking over cognitive dissonance is so necessary.
 
  • #589
Enforcing the law is a basic responsibility of government. Law enforcement should be able to do its job without outside interference, and protesters shouldn’t be allowed to dictate whether or not the law is enforced. imo

Is there a point at which protesters should reconsider their approach?

So how many deaths would justify this thinking, really want to understand this
 
  • #590
Enforcing the law is a basic responsibility of government. Law enforcement should be able to do its job without outside interference, and protesters shouldn’t be allowed to dictate whether or not the law is enforced. imo

Is there a point at which protesters should reconsider their approach?
Protesting has been in the fabric of this country since the beginning - it’s literally how we became a country. If someone told the protestors during the Civil Rights era that they needed to “reconsider their approach”, then black people may not have the right to vote today and schools would still be segregated. Those protests were also considered “violent” and there were laws in this country that were unjust that were changed and repealed because of protests. Just because there is a law in this country, doesn’t mean that law is moral (see, slavery, segregation, women and minorities being unable to vote - those were all legal at one time) Protesting is how democratic countries were founded and I hope this never changes. All MOO.
 
  • #591
Enforcing the law is a basic responsibility of government. Law enforcement should be able to do its job without outside interference, and protesters shouldn’t be allowed to dictate whether or not the law is enforced. imo

Is there a point at which protesters should reconsider their approach?

So if protestors shouldn't be allowed to dictate whether or not the law is enforced in your opinion, how do you explain ICE being allowed to determine that an individual who is legally carrying a firearm is a threat, even though he never once put his hand anywhere near the gun during the altercation and his subsequent death? Is this not a contradiction?

Aren't ICE in this shooting dictating whether or not the law is enforced regarding legal right to carry?
 
  • #592

'Alex was taking care of our veterans', says president of American Nurses Association​


Woman wearing a white jumper and glasses

Image caption, Dr Jennifer Mensik Kennedy, president of the American Nurses Association.

Dr Jennifer Mensik Kennedy, president of the American Nurses Association (ANA), spoke to the BBC earlier and paid tribute to Alex Pretti, saying the organisation is "deeply saddened" by his death.

"Alex was taking care of our veterans, the people who served this country, he loved being nurse," she said.

While Kennedy says she didn't know Pretti personally, friends and family have described him as a "wonderful nurse" who was "following the code of ethics".

"In the moments up to his killing, he was taking care of a person who had fallen. Unfortunately, that's when people decided to kill him."

 
  • #593
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HSI leading federal investigation into shooting​

ICE's Homeland Security Investigations branch is leading the federal investigation into the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis, with assistance from the FBI, according to multiple U.S. officials briefed on the investigation.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection is also conducting an internal administrative review through its Office of Professional Responsibility, as per standard practice, the officials said.

The decision to place HSI in the lead investigative role is unusual and has raised questions among current and former federal law enforcement officials, given that HSI is not typically tasked with investigating officer-involved shootings and is not structured or equipped to handle core elements of such cases, including ballistics analysis, forensic processing, firearm examinations, video review and large-scale witness canvassing.

On Fox News, Kash Patel said, "all the pieces of the investigation are being led by DHS in HSI and I don't want to comment on their ongoing investigation." Patel added that investigators are focused on "mostly scientific evidence," including fingerprints, DNA, how many rounds were fired and other physical evidence associated with the firearm.

A former senior ICE and HSI official told CBS News that the approach marks a clear break from prior administrations and long-standing practice. The official said it makes little sense for the Department of Homeland Security to oversee a criminal investigation into a fatal shooting involving its own personnel rather than turning the matter over to an outside entity, describing the current setup as highly irregular.

"That's not the way it was done before this admin" one former senior ICE official told CBS News, calling the Trump administration's move "not normal."

The former official noted HSI agents are criminal investigators but said a probe into a Border Patrol shooting should be investigated by an entity outside of the Department of Homeland Security. Both ICE and Border Patrol are overseen by DHS.

By Camilo Montoya-Galvez, Sarah N. Lynch

 
  • #594
Here’s the transcript of an interview that the Minneapolis Police Chief gave today on Face the Nation. I’ve pulled out what I think is the biggest point that needs to be made. In 2025, the MPD pulled over 900 guns off the streets and arrested many violent criminals and there were zero instances of them ever shooting a citizen or suspect. ICE has now shot 3 people (US citizens, not suspects) in the first 3 weeks of 2026, 2 of which have died. Why is ICE unable to conduct themselves as effective law enforcement without endangering the lives of civilians? Why are they not de-escalating situations? And could this be why there are tens of thousands of Minnesotans who are protesting and speaking out against ICE - because they are witnessing this gross misuse of force and straight up ineffective law enforcement by ICE?

 

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  • #595
Maybe someone is trying foment an insurrection...imo
I agree that that is a possibility.
If there is a supposed 'insurrection' then it would be ok to impose martial law.

Create chaos and then be justified with arresting and/or killing people who don't follow orders from above.

This is what I fear is the objective. JMO.
 
  • #596
This has hit me hard. Alex Pretti did not deserve anything that happened to him. Period.

Our constitutional rights are nonnegotiable. The federal government is attacking them. Alex Pretti was a legal observer, breaking no laws, and exercising his first amendment rights. Alex Pretti was legally carrying a firearm that he had concealed, never touched, and had all the correct paper work for. Alex Pretti was a US citizen, an ICU nurse for veterans, and an active member of his community.

It shocks me to see Americans cheering on the trampling of rights we fought so hard for. The rights we created this country for to begin with. The rights that are supposed to make us great. There’s no excuse, justification, or spin that will make this anything less than what it was - a man was executed.

MOO

Rest in peace Alex Pretti, may his family see justice for what has happened to him.
 
  • #597
In any other crime on WS, we would analyze the perps' actions, but in this case, all the scrutiny seems to be focused on the victim.

Why did the agents aggressively approach members of the public (women, fwiw) and SHOVE them to the ground? Why were they so angry with Alex for helping the fallen women that they massed-tackled him?


jmopinion
Because the shooters are federal law enforcement agents, the situation gets viewed differently than an ordinary street crime.

If this had been a robbery, a fight, or a random shooting, we would all immediately recognize Alex as the victim. But ICE is claiming Alex was the aggressor and that the agents acted in lawful self-defense / justified use of force—and that claim is the starting point we have to examine.

So the first question has to be: Did ICE have a legitimate legal reason to shoot Alex?
Until we have a full STATE investigation and official findings, that’s the core issue the entire case will hinge on, and we may never all agree on it.

What I’m hoping is simple: if the state determines there is enough evidence to charge an officer, they will. But we are not there yet, and until we are, this discussion is going to remain divided.
 
  • #598
Because the shooters are federal law enforcement agents, the situation gets viewed differently than an ordinary street crime.

If this had been a robbery, a fight, or a random shooting, we would all immediately recognize Alex as the victim. But ICE is claiming Alex was the aggressor and that the agents acted in lawful self-defense / justified use of force—and that claim is the starting point we have to examine.

So the first question has to be: Did ICE have a legitimate legal reason to shoot Alex?
Until we have a full STATE investigation and official findings, that’s the core issue the entire case will hinge on, and we may never all agree on it.

What I’m hoping is simple: if the state determines there is enough evidence to charge an officer, they will. But we are not there yet, and until we are, this discussion is going to remain divided.
I appreciate that explanation.

jmo
 
  • #599
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE - it is their job to get illegals out! illegals were told to deport - free trip home and cash on arrival to your home and then you can come back legally! if they have to come and get you, you'll be banned for 10 years or more - leave ice alone to do their job, comply with the officers - respect the officers - all law enforcement should be supported & all law enforcement should be getting illegals out of this country - as its the law and illegals breed crime and are criminals due to the simple fact of them being here illegally💯
How were they supposed to know? I'll tell you how. He was face down on the ground with no access to his weapon. And then he was shot 10 times in the back. Not sure how you square this with 'reasonable force'. Please explain your view.

BTW it sounds like you are excessively angry with immigrants and presume that they are all illegals. Which I don't believe to be the case. I also don't believe that they are all horrible criminals. (and they're not eating your pets.) Have you actually met and chatted to immigrants of a different skin color to you? I'm curious.
 
  • #600
Because the shooters are federal law enforcement agents, the situation gets viewed differently than an ordinary street crime.

If this had been a robbery, a fight, or a random shooting, we would all immediately recognize Alex as the victim. But ICE is claiming Alex was the aggressor and that the agents acted in lawful self-defense / justified use of force—and that claim is the starting point we have to examine.

So the first question has to be: Did ICE have a legitimate legal reason to shoot Alex?
Until we have a full STATE investigation and official findings, that’s the core issue the entire case will hinge on, and we may never all agree on it.

What I’m hoping is simple: if the state determines there is enough evidence to charge an officer, they will. But we are not there yet, and until we are, this discussion is going to remain divided.
Thank you Tricia! You are amazing! I know these are challenging times and you are juggling everyone's interests.
My question is whether the state will actually be allowed to investigate this crime. It seems that the feds are trying to block them from investigating. They don't want a real investigation.
But we all saw what we saw. There's no denying that.
 

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