MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

[Tippy Lynn]

I wonder if it is ICE's job to manage the behavior of protestors? Should local law enforcement be called in, instead? I am wondering if this is too far outside of their duties, and outside of their training? These are honest questions, I am not baiting or being snarky.

My understanding is ICE agents are trained for enforcement, not managing hostile crowds. Local police are legally restricted from interfering with federal actions. I think that’s part of the problem when these instances arise.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I agree we need to look at the information presented to us. So knowing that her car was not blocking all lanes of traffic and that there was room for all the ICE vehicles to drive past her and continue on with their jobs, why do you think several of them parked their cars around her and got out and confronted her? This is an honest question, I’m not trying to be snarky. We’ve acknowledged that she wasn’t fully blocking the road and that ICE does not have jurisdiction over traffic violations such as an incorrectly parked car so why do they continue to engage with her?

My understanding is that police are legally restricted from interfering with federal actions so that’s the million dollar question. The agents and the people are all set up for failure in these situations.

 

[SouthAussie]

My understanding is ICE agents are trained for enforcement, not managing hostile crowds. Local police are legally restricted from interfering with federal actions. I think that’s part of the problem when these instances arise.

I am pretty sure that ICE can request police assistance.


During an ICE raid, ICE agents appear at a worksite, without previous notice, as part of an investigation. ICE agents are not police officers, although their uniforms may say “police” or “federal agent.” Sometimes local police or other law enforcement accompany ICE agents on raids.

Dealing with ICE in the workplace

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ag.ny.gov

 

[Summerliz03]

I’m not sure if this article has been shared here yet or not but here’s an article about de-escalation and the policy for DHS agents that deadly force cannot be used to stop someone from fleeing. It also states that even if a vehicle itself is being used in a manner that poses an imminent threat, and no other objectionable reasonable defensive option exists - explicitly including “moving out of the path of the vehicle”

DHS policy on use-of-force says it "must be objectively reasonable," can't be used to stop one fleeing without serious threat

As conflicting accounts about what happened in Minneapolis swirl, state and federal investigators are now taking a closer look at Wednesday's ICE-involved shooting. WCCO looked at the Department of Homeland Security policy on the use of force.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I am pretty sure that ICE can request police assistance.


During an ICE raid, ICE agents appear at a worksite, without previous notice, as part of an investigation. ICE agents are not police officers, although their uniforms may say “police” or “federal agent.” Sometimes local police or other law enforcement accompany ICE agents on raids.

Dealing with ICE in the workplace

Dealing with ICE in the workplace Employers’ and workers’ rights and obligations , Dealing with ICE in the workplace Employers’ and workers’ rights and

ag.ny.gov

If ICE called LE to assist in this situation would they agree to assist? And if they agreed, how long would they take to get to the scene? Response times in Minneapolis for emergencies have been known to take a long time. The MPD is significantly understaffed. Again, everyone is set up for failure in these situations. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

If ICE called LE to assist in this situation would they agree to assist? And if they agreed, how long would they take to get to the scene? Response times in Minneapolis for emergencies have been known to take a long time. The MPD is significantly understaffed. Again, everyone is set up for failure in these situations. IMO

The police chief said they gave Renee CPR at the scene, so they must have arrived pretty quickly, once they were called.

Who cares anyway. ICE could have reported Renee's partially blocking the road to the police, got into their vehicles, and gone on their merry way - as they did after the ICE person shot and killed her.

There was absolutely no need for the confrontation.

imo

 

[Mickey Mouse]

If ICE called LE to assist in this situation would they agree to assist? And if they agreed, how long would they take to get to the scene? Response times in Minneapolis for emergencies have been known to take a long time. The MPD is significantly understaffed. Again, everyone is set up for failure in these situations. IMO

Does a parking violation constitute an emergency? As noted above, cars were able to pass. ICE could have just noted her license number and passed it onto local LE and went on their way.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I’m not sure if this article has been shared here yet or not but here’s an article about de-escalation and the policy for DHS agents that deadly force cannot be used to stop someone from fleeing. It also states that even if a vehicle itself is being used in a manner that poses an imminent threat, and no other objectionable reasonable defensive option exists - explicitly including “moving out of the path of the vehicle”

DHS policy on use-of-force says it "must be objectively reasonable," can't be used to stop one fleeing without serious threat

As conflicting accounts about what happened in Minneapolis swirl, state and federal investigators are now taking a closer look at Wednesday's ICE-involved shooting. WCCO looked at the Department of Homeland Security policy on the use of force.

www.cbsnews.com

This is where it get slippery for me. Some are saying Ross made a split second decision because he thought his life was endangered by her vehicle and he fired in self defense. From what I’ve seen up to this point, I think the situation could have ended without Good being shot. At the same time, I can understand why he would feel like his life was endangered. It’s terrifying to see a scene turn into complete chaos and death within a very short amount of time.

I know I’m in the minority in seeing both sides. That’s where I usually end up getting rolled when I get involved in these types of discussions. Plus I’m terrible at explaining my thoughts in writing.

 

[Sundog]

They frequently engage with protesters during immigration crackdowns. Which often times leads to confrontations and clashes. The day Ms Good was shot to death is one example.

They have no choice because some cities have "leaders" who refuse to allow local police officers to do their job and provide crowd control regarding protesters who show up.

 

[SouthAussie]

They have no choice because some cities have "leaders" who refuse to allow local police officers to do their job and provide crowd control regarding protesters who show up.

They had a choice.

imo

 

[Summerliz03]

This is where it get slippery for me. Some are saying Ross made a split second decision because he thought his life was endangered by her vehicle and he fired in self defense. From what I’ve seen up to this point, I think the situation could have ended without Good being shot. At the same time, I can understand why he would feel like his life was endangered. It’s terrifying to see a scene turn into complete chaos and death within a very short amount of time.

What it comes down to for me (besides the fact that all the ICE officers had plenty of room on the road to just drive past Renee’s car and had zero need to stop and engage with her at all) is 2 things:

1. Him moving his cell phone to his non dominant hand as he’s still walking around her vehicle. Why would he do this unless he was considering and planning to have his right hand available to draw his weapon and shoot. This sets up premeditation for me.

2. The self defense thing pretty much falls apart when he takes shots 2 and 3 from the complete side of her vehicle, into her open drivers side car window. He was standing next to her car at that point so there was zero danger to him at that point. Firing more shots into her car just puts him, his colleagues and every citizen on that street in more danger. As a trained agent with over 10 years of experience, he had to know that shooting into a car does not make it stop.

All MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

What it comes down to for me (besides the fact that all the ICE officers had plenty of room on the road to just drive past Renee’s car and had zero need to stop and engage with her at all) is 2 things:

1. Him moving his cell phone to his non dominant hand as he’s still walking around her vehicle. Why would he do this unless he was considering and planning to have his right hand available to draw his weapon and shoot. This sets up premeditation for me.

2. The self defense thing pretty much falls apart when he takes shots 2 and 3 from the complete side of her vehicle, into her open drivers side car window. He was standing next to her car at that point so there was zero danger to him at that point. Firing more shots into her car just puts him, his colleagues and every citizen on that street in more danger. As a trained agent with over 10 years of experience, he had to know that shooting into a car does not make it stop.

All MOO.

Exactly!

He decided to stand in front of the car, shoot at Renee, then continue to shoot as she drove by.
We can't even tell if his first shot killed her, or if it was his 2nd or his 3rd shot that killed her.
Though I am pretty sure an autopsy will tell by the trajectory of the injuries.

imo

 

[Ruminations]

She was instructed to get out of the car! When you back up and hit an officer while not following direct orders from an officer bad things happen!

1) she was not unequivocally instructed to get out of the car. This has been covered. There were conflicting orders.
2) Ross had no business passing her, leaving his car driverless in the street, and confronting her. He had no reason to tell her to leave her car. She was already leaving. She was not the subject of an ICE action.
3) No, bad things happen when so-called officers do not know how to control their emotions. In this case, the bad thing was a murder.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

She didn't hit Ross. None of the video evidence from multiple angles supports your claim.

Thank you. Good heavens, Ross was not hit by the victims car. The victim was not the problem. The shooter was the problem.

MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

What it comes down to for me (besides the fact that all the ICE officers had plenty of room on the road to just drive past Renee’s car and had zero need to stop and engage with her at all) is 2 things:

1. Him moving his cell phone to his non dominant hand as he’s still walking around her vehicle. Why would he do this unless he was considering and planning to have his right hand available to draw his weapon and shoot. This sets up premeditation for me.

2. The self defense thing pretty much falls apart when he takes shots 2 and 3 from the complete side of her vehicle, into her open drivers side car window. He was standing next to her car at that point so there was zero danger to him at that point. Firing more shots into her car just puts him, his colleagues and every citizen on that street in more danger. As a trained agent with over 10 years of experience, he had to know that shooting into a car does not make it stop.

All MOO.

I can see all of this as well. There are so many pieces that play into this. Along with this I also see things that the other agents, Renee and Becca could have done differently. I’m in no way blaming her or saying she deserved to be shot and killed. It’s all so sad. More information will come out at some point.

 

[Ruminations]

Exactly!

He decided to stand in front of the car, shoot at Renee, then continue to shoot as she drove by.
We can't even tell if his first shot killed her, or if it was his 2nd or his 3rd shot that killed her.
Though I am pretty sure an autopsy will tell by the trajectory of the injuries.

imo

Or, did she bleed out while a physician was begging to be "allowed" to check for a pulse or while the EMTs were unable to drive to her because ICE blocked the road.

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Good question about the legality or illlegality of Ross shooting Good.

It seems that there was disorganization on both sides, tbh, but this article, that I have already linked, seems to explain things better.

https://www.startribune.com/what-ice-agents-can-and-cant-do-and-what-legal-rights-the-public-has-during-encounters/601560316

On the one hand, it is not ICE job to deal with traffic violation of the US citizens. We have police; if it is far, maybe register the license plate and forward it to the police. ICE can approach the car if they have reasons to believe that the person is in the country illegally.

In this case, there was no evidence that Good was in the country illegally. Moreover, her partner explained that she herself was an ex- US military. But what I also don’t see is Ross or any of ICE agents introducing themselves as such. They are not mandated to show the documents but by law, they have to introduce themselves as ICE agents before they interact with civilians, legal or illegal.

Now, there are also legal representatives of COPAL, ICE watch, who have to introduce themselves. I don’t see it done here either.

With a moving car, we all have to be careful. So if three ICE agents are giving a civilian driving a car with toys, not guns (and they are super close! They can see that these are toys) conflicting instructions while standing very close to the car, they act unsafely.

Now, legal COPAL members have the right to film ICE. I don’t think that blocking the road is their job. They can register ICE’s work, they can’t interfere with it. Plus, it is a one-way road used by other citizens. JMO, it was a poorly thought over decision.

Good’s partner. For an ex-military whom we have to thank for her service, btw, she is not professional. It is her personal business what she thinks of Ross’s size. If she is the legal representative of COPAL, this is all she needs to say.

Ross shoots. I have already written that “inertia - the natural tendency of an object to resist changes in its state of motion” - will prevent a heavy car from stopping, even if you kill the driver. You need to apply external force (in this case, collision with the white car) to stop
Good’s car. What if there were no car on its way? Then Good’s car would stop sooner or later due to friction forces, but on a snowy and icy road it might take some time. Ross could have attempted to stop the car by shooting both front tires or the radiator. His first shot through the front window indicates that he has zero understanding of mechanics. It also raises a question: you served in Iraq in machine gun team. You have to know Newtonian laws, what were you thinking you were doing?

So the first shot can’t be explained. At all. The other two obviously don’t make any more sense because he sees that the car continues to drive. It is an overkill.

Now, using the “b….” word on camera effectively deprives the situation of any professionalism and reveals Ross for what he is. He acts not as an agent representing a federal organization, but an insecure, impulsive, petty man. That effectively shifts the focus from “confronting an agent” to road rage, or job violence, or hate crime, or misogyny.

So IMHO, for an ICE agent to shoot a civilian who, while naive and inexperienced, IMHO did not present danger on the road, was illegal and totally overstepping the agent’s boundaries. Even if Ross thought that Good’s car presented a danger to him, his choice of action did not minimize the danger, rather, the opposite. He will have a hard time explaining his goal to any judge because IMHO he acted senselessly.

Ross got federal immunity, we heard. Now the ball is in the corner of Minnesota court.

 

[Charlot123]

@Sundog

If you Google “Ross and Muños”, you will see what he did. Not only it looked like a failed Hollywood stint, but law enforcement is taught how to preserve themselves, at least. I see no self-preservation in his actions. So he either should have retired and got treatment or transferred somewhere.

 

[Bats]

As far as i know, in a trial situation, for "self defence", it's the first action that will be judged. So, shot number 1. After the initial shot, it can't change from murder to self defence, or vice versa. So, if a jury/judge thinks the first shot was an act of murder, the 2nd and 3rd shots can't be acts of self defence. Nor if it is judged that the 1st shot was an act of self defence can the subsequent shots be deemed murderous.

Also in a trial situation, a jury or judge don't decide if an act of self defence is fair in their minds. They need to decide if they think if in the accused's mind, they thought they were acting in self defence.

An interesting hypothetical....
If the roles were reversed and an ICE agent was driving a car in exactly the same way, how would people feel if a citizen pulled out gun and shot the agent in "self defence"?

 

[southgoldengirl]

Good question about the legality or illlegality of Ross shooting Good.

It seems that there was disorganization on both sides, tbh, but this article, that I have already linked, seems to explain things better.

https://www.startribune.com/what-ice-agents-can-and-cant-do-and-what-legal-rights-the-public-has-during-encounters/601560316

On the one hand, it is not ICE job to deal with traffic violation of the US citizens. We have police; if it is far, maybe register the license plate and forward it to the police. ICE can approach the car if they have reasons to believe that the person is in the country illegally.

In this case, there was no evidence that Good was in the country illegally. Moreover, her partner explained that she herself was an ex- US military. But what I also don’t see is Ross or any of ICE agents introducing themselves as such. They are not mandated to show the documents but by law, they have to introduce themselves as ICE agents before they interact with civilians, legal or illegal.

Now, there are also legal representatives of COPAL, ICE watch, who have to introduce themselves. I don’t see it done here either.

With a moving car, we all have to be careful. So if three ICE agents are giving a civilian driving a car with toys, not guns (and they are super close! They can see that these are toys) conflicting instructions while standing very close to the car, they act unsafely.

Now, legal COPAL members have the right to film ICE. I don’t think that blocking the road is their job. They can register ICE’s work, they can’t interfere with it. Plus, it is a one-way road used by other citizens. JMO, it was a poorly thought over decision.

Good’s partner. For an ex-military whom we have to thank for her service, btw, she is not professional. It is her personal business what she thinks of Ross’s size. If she is the legal representative of COPAL, this is all she needs to say.

Ross shoots. I have already written that “inertia - the natural tendency of an object to resist changes in its state of motion” - will prevent a heavy car from stopping, even if you kill the driver. You need to apply external force (in this case, collision with the white car) to stop
Good’s car. What if there were no car on its way? Then Good’s car would stop sooner or later due to friction forces, but on a snowy and icy road it might take some time. Ross could have attempted to stop the car by shooting both front tires or the radiator. His first shot through the front window indicates that he has zero understanding of mechanics. It also raises a question: you served in Iraq in machine gun team. You have to know Newtonian laws, what were you thinking you were doing?

So the first shot can’t be explained. At all. The other two obviously don’t make any more sense because he sees that the car continues to drive. It is an overkill.

Now, using the “b….” word on camera effectively deprives the situation of any professionalism and reveals Ross for what he is. He acts not as an agent representing a federal organization, but an insecure, impulsive, petty man. That effectively shifts the focus from “confronting an agent” to road rage, or job violence, or hate crime, or misogyny.

So IMHO, for an ICE agent to shoot a civilian who, while naive and inexperienced, IMHO did not present danger on the road, was illegal and totally overstepping the agent’s boundaries. Even if Ross thought that Good’s car presented a danger to him, his choice of action did not minimize the danger, rather, the opposite. He will have a hard time explaining his goal to any judge because IMHO he acted senselessly.

Ross got federal immunity, we heard. Now the ball is in the corner of Minnesota court.

Excellent post