MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

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IMHO JR was the terrorist. Let me explain why. He was already loaded with frustration and anger because what happened to him earlier that year. His mind only respondend with one thougt and that was this won’t happen with me again. He was a walking time bomb. It was just a matter of time that he would fatally killed someone. Unluckily it was RNG. It could have been anyone else. After the shooting he showed no remorse or regret so please US government take this man from the streets and put him in jail.
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I hope that if this thread stays on course, maybe we could have reaction emojis back? I just think it would make it easier to have actual discussion with them because having to quote every single person you agree with and saying “like/agree/yes” is sort of clogging up the thread and making it harder to follow. I completely understand why they were disabled and I respect how hard it is to moderate this thread based on the nature of the crime but hopefully maybe they could be turned back on in the near future if the discussion stays on track? Thank you all for your hard work in running the site 😄
 
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dbm

forgot that we are not supposed to use any emojis on this thread
 
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I find it interesting that the only video that seems to confirm that is the one shot from huge distance, where you can barely see anything.

The New York Times made a neat compilation of footage.
You van watch it here. It's plain as a day Ross put himself in front of already moving vehicle and wasn't even nicked by it.

MOO 🐄

Right. very Clear.
That other video (Fox news) is a much less clear angle view.
But I assume that Fox news has the same footage --Available to them-- that the NYT does. ?????
So why did they only post this video, if there are ones that are more clear?
Has Fox posted any of the other views.
 
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Where in that ruling does it say that the law enforcement is allowed to shoot someone if they don’t like what they are saying or if they feel like they are inferring with their order?

That ruling does not say that law enforcement may shoot someone for speech or for disobeying an order. That is not what it is being cited for.

What case law does is answer specific legal questions. In the cited case, the question was whether the First Amendment automatically protects speech when that speech is part of conduct that violates a valid criminal law. The Court said it does not.

That principle is then applied in other cases. It means that someone cannot rely on free speech as a defence if they are trespassing, obstructing an officer, or refusing a lawful order.

Citing this decision is not about justifying a shooting. It is about clarifying that free speech protections are not absolute and do not override other laws that may apply. Questions about use of force are a separate issue entirely.
 
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"The First Amendment does not protect free speech if it violates laws such as trespassing, disobeying or interfering with a lawful order by a law enforcement officer."


Source of Law:

"(a) The constitutional freedom of speech and press does not immunize speech or writing used as an integral part of conduct in violation of a valid criminal statute. P. 336 U. S. 498.

Also if we are just talking about free speech, what does Renee Good say at any point in the videos we’ve seen that is disobeying or interfering with law enforcement? We hear here say only 2 things total. The first is “go ahead” as she waves law enforcement past her. The second is “it’s ok, I’m not mad at you dude” Those are the only words we ever hear Renee say in any video. Her wife engages with them and is talking to them much more than Renee ever did. So what part of those 2 sentences she says in any way interferes with law enforcement doing their job?
 
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"The First Amendment does not protect free speech if it violates laws such as trespassing, disobeying or interfering with a lawful order by a law enforcement officer."


Source of Law:

"(a) The constitutional freedom of speech and press does not immunize speech or writing used as an integral part of conduct in violation of a valid criminal statute. P. 336 U. S. 498.

I'm a little confused. Are you saying the protest was unprotected speech and that's why ICE stopped after they went past them and went back to confront them?
 
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DBM because what is the point? This case makes me very sad.
 
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Agree w the BBM, even if one ascribes to the self defense theory for the first shot (I personally don't but understand that others do), how does one reconcile shots two and three, fired into the driver's side window well after the alleged threat had passed?

This statement must be stated over and over and over............thank you.... and keep posting it! moo

1. Him moving his cell phone to his non dominant hand as he’s still walking around her vehicle. Why would he do this unless he was considering and planning to have his right hand available to draw his weapon and shoot. This sets up premeditation for me.
 
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This statement must be stated over and over and over............thank you.... and keep posting it! moo

1. Him moving his cell phone to his non dominant hand as he’s still walking around her vehicle. Why would he do this unless he was considering and planning to have his right hand available to draw his weapon and shoot. This sets up premeditation for me.
I agree with you!
 
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1) she was not unequivocally instructed to get out of the car. This has been covered. There were conflicting orders.
2) Ross had no business passing her, leaving his car driverless in the street, and confronting her. He had no reason to tell her to leave her car. She was already leaving. She was not the subject of an ICE action.
3) No, bad things happen when so-called officers do not know how to control their emotions. In this case, the bad thing was a murder.

MOO
Anyway, still waiting for the video clip that shows there were conflicting orders.

MOO
 
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Anyway, still waiting for the video clip that shows there were conflicting orders.

MOO
Multiple witnesses stated agents told her to leave.

“Some of them were leaving, and they just went around her, but ICE gave her orders to leave, while at the same time, another ICE person said, ‘Get out of the car,’ and he reached for her door handle. And then there was an ICE agent in front of her vehicle. So it was difficult for her to leave, as she'd been ordered to do,” Callenson said.

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Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”


 
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"The videos I've seen from Minneapolis yesterday are deeply disturbing," said Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, in a statement.

"As we mourn this loss of life, we need a thorough and objective investigation into how and why this happened," she said. As part of the investigation, she said she is calling for policy changes, saying the situation "was devastating, and cannot happen again."
Congress debates possible consequences for ICE and Noem after Renee Good's killing
 
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Anyway, still waiting for the video clip that shows there were conflicting orders.

MOO
Ok if we ignore the witness statements that officers told Good to leave the scene, there is 5 seconds (I went and timed it from the video) from which the officer walks towards her car, yells “get the f out of the car” and tries to open her door handle to her being shot by Officer Ross. How could she have complied in that amount of time? That seems unreasonable to expect her to process being approached by 3 masked men and told to exit her car in less than 5 seconds and then being shot for not doing so. And it’s already been established that LE is not permitted to use deadly force against a fleeing suspect. IMO.
 
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"The videos I've seen from Minneapolis yesterday are deeply disturbing," said Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, in a statement.

"As we mourn this loss of life, we need a thorough and objective investigation into how and why this happened," she said. As part of the investigation, she said she is calling for policy changes, saying the situation "was devastating, and cannot happen again."
Congress debates possible consequences for ICE and Noem after Renee Good's killing
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How long had she been living in Minneapolis? Still had Missouri license plates.
long enough for her 6 year old son to be registered at and attending a MN school. per this article she moved to MN sometime in 2025.

Her third marriage was to Rebecca Good, with whom she moved to Minneapolis just last year, from Kansas City, a neighbour told the Washington Post.
Renee Nicole Good: Who was the woman killed by ICE in Minneapolis?

This one says almost (or just shy of) one year.

Renee Nicole Good, who was fatally shot by an ICE agent in Minneapolis on Wednesday, was a poet and a mother of 3. She moved to the city with her wife and 6-year-old son almost a year ago.
Renee Good, poet and mother of 3, was supporting neighbors when ICE shot her, wife says • Minnesota Reformer

ETA and yes, that would indicate they were tardy in registering their vehicle to show they were now MN residents since residents have 60 days to obtain a Minnesota registration for their passenger vehicle upon becoming a resident of the state. The consequence for such a failure would have been a fine.
 
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