MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

[Ruminations]

I'm not the OP, but if charges are brought, and he is given a fair trial, which we are all entitled to (even the folks who are being deported without due process), with no shenanigans, and is found not guilty, I'll accept the verdict.
I don't have to agree with it, or be happy about it, but I'll accept it.
Been through too many trials that went opposite of what I'd hoped for.
This young womans loved ones deserve a chance to obtain justice for her death.
IMO.

Exactly. The reason most people who are appalled by Renee Good's being shot is because there was no due process, no orderly law enforcement. No proper warrant before clawing at her car. No proper reason to detain her. Just because she did not get due process does not mean we want Ross to be mistreated.

The shooter should be charged, IMO. Being that he was so easily triggered, I think there is a case to be made for keeping him in jail, or at least removing his gun(s) and setting a bond. This decision would be made by a judge. And he deserves a trial before a jury.

Civil rights are for everyone. Including accused murderers.


MOO

 

[PrairieWind]

I'm not the OP, but if charges are brought, and he is given a fair trial, which we are all entitled to (even the folks who are being deported without due process), with no shenanigans, and is found not guilty, I'll accept the verdict.
I don't have to agree with it, or be happy about it, but I'll accept it.
Been through too many trials that went opposite of what I'd hoped for.
This young womans loved ones deserve a chance to obtain justice for her death.
IMO.

Would he be entitled to a trial without a mob outside chanting for his conviction within earshot of the jury?

And do you do know that illegal immigrants are not entitled to a jury trial before removal? And there is NOTHING a state government can do about that?

 

[SouthAussie]

Exactly. The reason most people who are appalled by Renee Good's being shot is because there was no due process, no orderly law enforcement. No proper warrant before clawing at her car. No proper reason to detain her. Just because she did not get due process does not mean we want Ross to be mistreated.

The shooter should be charged, IMO. Being that he was so easily triggered, I think there is a case to be made for keeping him in jail, or at least removing his gun(s) and setting a bond. This decision would be made by a judge. And he deserves a trial before a jury.

Civil rights are for everyone. Including accused murderers.


MOO

I have been wondering if he is on administrative leave now. Does that happen in the US?

I think that is what is commonly done in Australia during the investigation of law enforcement killing someone (in this case, Renee).

imo

 

[Ruminations]

And if a jury finds him not guilty you will accept that, correct?

Of course! That's the point. Legal process is good. Rogue, emotional shootings are bad.

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

Exactly. The reason most people who are appalled by Renee Good's being shot is because there was no due process, no orderly law enforcement. No proper warrant before clawing at her car. No proper reason to detain her. Just because she did not get due process does not mean we want Ross to be mistreated.

The shooter should be charged, IMO. Being that he was so easily triggered, I think there is a case to be made for keeping him in jail, or at least removing his gun(s) and setting a bond. This decision would be made by a judge. And he deserves a trial before a jury.

Civil rights are for everyone. Including accused murderers.


MOO

Absolutely!

There should be an investigation that follows established rules and is fair.

If there is cause, there should be a fair trial with the defendant entitled the rights in a U.S. court that all defendants in a U.S. court are entitled to.

We have the rule of law in this country and I am assuming we all want to keep it.

jmo

 

[LibraStarr]

So your thinking is that ICE agents just kill everyone they don't like? He just didn't like being heckled and decided to execute her?

Not OP, but I don’t think ICE agents “just kill people they don’t like.” That’s a straw-man.

I also don’t think this agent woke up planning to kill someone. What I do think is that the current climate, hiring practices, and training encourage aggressive engagement, and in this case he got angry and overreacted.

I don’t think it was an execution, I think it was a needless escalation from an angry agent that didn’t have to happen.

All MOO

 

[Sundog]

I have been wondering if he is on administrative leave now. Does that happen in the US?

I think that is what is commonly done in Australia during the investigation of law enforcement killing someone (in this case, Renee).

imo

My understanding is that when law enforcement are involved in a fatal shooting then there is an internal review. I suspect that is what is happening now. The Department of Homeland Security would be conducting an internal review, IMO.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Not OP, but I don’t think ICE agents “just kill people they don’t like.” That’s a straw-man.

I also don’t think this agent woke up planning to kill someone. What I do think is that the current climate, hiring practices, and training encourage aggressive engagement, and in this case he got angry and overreacted.

I don’t think it was an execution, I think it was a needless escalation from an angry agent that didn’t have to happen.

All MOO

Well the way the person I was responding to framed it sounded like first degree murder to me. So I was just asking if they thought he went out and just killed her because he didn't like the heckling.

I do agree with you on the needless escalation. None of this needed to happen. He was quick on the trigger and I think she just panicked with so much going on at once. Her spouse shouting, the agent shouting and grabbing at her door handle. A lot happened in a split second.

 

[SouthAussie]

My understanding is that when law enforcement are involved in a fatal shooting then there is an internal review. I suspect that is what is happening now. The Department of Homeland Security would be conducting an internal review, IMO.

And he stays on the job during the review process?

I think they put our officers on admin leave so there can be no whiff of their potential to interfere with witnesses and/or evidence during the investigation. (Just to explain why we do it.)

imo

 

[Ruminations]

Illinois is also suing.

Chicago, Illinois sue Department of Homeland Security, Trump administration for dangerous tactics, unlawful use of force by ICE and Border Patrol agents

The state of Illinois and city of Chicago are suing the Trump administration and Department of Homeland Security for unlawful use of force and dangerous tactics in immigration raids.

www.cbsnews.com

Yay!

MOO

 

[Sundog]

Would he be entitled to a trial without a mob outside chanting for his conviction within earshot of the jury?

And do you do know that illegal immigrants are not entitled to a jury trial before removal? And there is NOTHING a state government can do about that?

It would be impossible for JR to get a fair trial in the state of Minnesota, given the rhetoric of the state and local leadership.

On the issue of illegal immigrants and the law, my understanding is that illegal immigrants have due process following detainment before an administrative judge. That is federal law, as you say, nothing to do with state government.

 

[Oakland CA]

Yeah i don't hear it in any of the videos at all. I'm sure no one will share a video of that because i also asked for video or audio of them telling her to leave or get "out of here" several pages back on the thread and "still waiting" for it to be shared. I don't think it happened but that's MOO.

Of course it doesn't matter that that isn't heard in any of the videos because "witnesses said" it happened and it fits the overwhelming sentiment in this forum that ICE agents are literally gestapo nazi racists who kill anyone who gets in their way.

I agree 100% with your second paragraph. Thanks for that.

As for your first paragraph, I'm not sure anyone on the forum said they saw/heard a video of the victim being told to leave or "get out of here".
Doesn't mean it didn't happen. You know what they say......... Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I believe someone did post a link to a witness that heard the ice guys bark out conflicting ORDERS.

 

[Ruminations]

I have been wondering if he is on administrative leave now. Does that happen in the US?

I think that is what is commonly done in Australia during the investigation of law enforcement killing someone (in this case, Renee).

imo

Maybe, but it is not public.

Administrative leave after an apparently justified shooting or any horrific LE experience makes sense. It must be extremely horrific to a normal, empathic human being to take a life under any circumstances.

While I think this shooting appears to be unjustified, I'd support the shooter going on administrative leave if the facts were very different and it looked like self-defense. I can't imagine the trauma.

MOO

 

[PrairieWind]

Mr. or Mrs. Callenson is top of my prosecution witness list for the trial

except the orders to leave were minutes earlier. Agent Ross was quite calm despite the goading. He is actually walking away when Ms Good is taunting "are you coming at us? are you coming at us? go get lunch big boy." Then when the last group of agents arrived he moves back to the front of the vehicle and the OTHER agents instruct Good to get out several times. It is then that Good decides to leave in a hurry, with an agent in front of her car and another attempting to open her door. She is NOT calmly "trying to leave as instructed". She and her wife escalated a situation unnecessarily and then acted violently in trying to flee an order to surrender.

 

[Sundog]

And he stays on the job during the review process?

I think they put our officers on admin leave so there can be no whiff of their potential to interfere with witnesses and/or evidence during the investigation. (Just to explain why we do it.)

imo

I suspect that is what they do in this case, as well. I know this is the protocol in public agencies I have worked in. Administrative leave, still being paid because they have not been found guilty of anything while the internal investigation is ongoing. It's an internal matter.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

except the orders to leave were minutes earlier. Agent Ross was quite calm despite the goading. He is actually walking away when Ms Good is taunting "are you coming at us? are you coming at us? go get lunch big boy." Then when the last group of agents arrived he moves back to the front of the vehicle and the OTHER agents instruct Good to get out several times. It is then that Good decides to leave in a hurry, with an agent in front of her car and another attempting to open her door. She is NOT calmly "trying to leave as instructed". She and her wife escalated a situation unnecessarily and then acted violently in trying to flee an order to surrender.

Why did he step in front of the car? LE are trained not to walk in front of running vehicles.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

It's easy for me. I'm not baffled.

Some people are against oppression by shooting, and they see oppression by shooting and call it out. Some people are against oppression by shooting, but they just can't believe it could happen to them. So they tell themselves it's the victims fault and lie to themselves so they do not have to accept that we are living in oppression.

A few people actually wish to live in an oppressive regime. They could move to an oppressive country. Or they can help this country become oppressive by gaslighting people into accepting oppression and martial law.

How you view the shooting of Renee Good is a test for your tolerance of oppression.

MOO

I don't think it is a measure of my tolerance of oppression. What was he "oppressing" by killing her? This is why I ask because the way this is being framed by some people sounds a lot like first degree murder to me.

Did he shoot her to shut her up? I am just trying to understand what you think the motivation was here. Oppression makes it sound like these agents are just going around killing everybody that gets in their way.

 

[CrocWearer]

At 0:11 I clearly hear a lawful order to get out of the car. I clearly see her decide to ignore the lawful order and drive into agents.

Do you still feel this way or have you had any further thoughts?

 

[Leilei]

Would he be entitled to a trial without a mob outside chanting for his conviction within earshot of the jury?

And do you do know that illegal immigrants are not entitled to a jury trial before removal? And there is NOTHING a state government can do about that?

Protestors can be moved away from where the jury can hear. The courthouse that I used to work at was huge, and you could not hear anything from outside, in both the State and Superior buildings. We've seen it happen over and over here. I'm fairly certain that there would be "mobs" from both sides wanting to be heard.
As far as immigrants go, they are still entitled to due process in this country. If they committed a crime here, they are entitled to a trial by jury or a bench trial. That is what I meant, but I'm sure folks understood that.
IMO.

 

[303gmf]

when she attempted to run him over....Yes.

She didn’t attempt to to run him over, she attempted to move her car until bullets stopped her