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What do you think justifies the shooting?That’s your opinion.
What do you think justifies the shooting?That’s your opinion.
Exactly. A fellow commenter told me to be more logical and less emotional over it. With that sentiment, what's more logical here?The conversation ender for me is the fact that in the time it took to draw his gun, he could have stepped away from the vehicle. He chose not to.
Please post source that she was stationary and sideways for 3 minutes before the murder.IMO she was the lead car in a protest. She had her vehicle positioned that way to block people, cars, ICE and whoever else from getting by.
The vehicle she was driving was stationary and sideways across the road for about three minutes before the fatal confrontation.
What makes you think that?What do you think justifies the shooting?
And logic would eliminate option B... It wouldn't stop the car.Exactly. A fellow commenter told me to be more logical and less emotional over it. With that sentiment, what's more logical here?
If you feel like a car is coming towards you and might hit you, is your natural reaction to A) step back out the way or B) stand still and shoot multiple times. jmo.
That tactic won’t work on me.Based on your words, the victim deserved to die?
Apparently federal officers don’t need to act rationally, just all of us civilian peons. And we certainly see even before the shooting they were not acting rationally - they were ordering her to do different things without ANY clear CoC. The whole scene was a nonsensical mess, as so often seems to be the case when ICE shows up.Exactly. A fellow commenter told me to be more logical and less emotional over it. With that sentiment, what's more logical here?
If you feel like a car is coming towards you and might hit you, is your natural reaction to A) step back out the way or B) stand still and shoot multiple times. jmo.
He stepped TOWARD the car. Also, he has a dragging incident from June. It appears he mishandles interactions, escalates, rather than defuse like good LE do. He was seeking retribution. JMOThe conversation ender for me is the fact that in the time it took to draw his gun, he could have stepped away from the vehicle. He chose not to.
What tactic? Critical thought?That tactic won’t work on me.
Here’s the quote from the article I linked several times.Please post source that she was stationary and sideways for 3 minutes before the murder.
Also it was proven multiple times that she was not blocking any cars / ICE agents as you can see vehicles getting around her before she is ultimately blocked by the gray SUV / person who murders her.
If the agent thought she trying to run him down, shooting is not the proper response. It doesn't stop the car. It actually eliminates the possibility of the car stopping.How sad this young woman lost her life. I truly think she was trying to extract her self from the situation. I however also think the agent thought she was trying to run him down. I don’t think he started his day thinking I’m going to shoot any one in my way. She didn’t start her day thinking I am going to run over an Ice Agent. It all happened in a split second and was truly a heartbreaking tragedy. As far as all the brainwashing comments being made imho this cuts both ways. Tensions are running high in these situations and here as well. What’s the answer I don’t know. I just wish peace and love to everyone.
This is where I have to respectfully disagree. It seems that many ICE agents feel they have the right to shoot first and … in my opinion, make up stories later. There are two other cases on page 1 of ICE shooting someone, making up a false claim of vehicle ramming, and the charges being dropped against the shot civilian because ICE flat out lied to cover their asses.I don’t think he started his day thinking I’m going to shoot any one in my way.
You are correct. The gray ICE car zoomed past her, she was yielding to ICE. Then they yelled at her to move, which is what she was in the process of doing and instead of letting her obey their command, they lunged at her car door attempting to open it, she pulled away, heading toward the right, when the other ICE agent shot her, and chased her car, shooting her several times. This is cold blooded murder, and the shooter needs to be brought to justice. JMO (based on video evidence)
Yes, they were giving her opposing orders at the same time. No chain of command. Clearly not well trained. And jumpy and trigger happy. Bad combination.Re: "Then they yelled at her to move, which is what she was in the process of doing and instead of letting her obey their command..."
They told her to get out of the car: "Out of the car" "Out of the car" "Get out of the f****ing car".
The VP is promoting personal truth, not factual truth.
He is asking people to have faith in his truth, and emphasizing that critical thinking is unnecessary.
~ in my humble opinion ~
Hate to break this to you but the America you knew was lost years ago. You aren’t nearing a fascist dictatorship, you are living in it.I fear for my children and grandchildren. Unless something changes real soon, my grands will never know the America I knew. And I truly hate that.
What other orders were given?Yes, they were giving her opposing orders at the same time. No chain of command. Clearly not well trained. And jumpy and trigger happy. Bad combination.