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I never said it changed anything.I don't understand. How does her being politically active change anything?
I never said it changed anything.I don't understand. How does her being politically active change anything?
This is the video I keep seeing. I didn't understand why so many people didn't think he was at the front when he was.One video in this series of videos clearly shows an officer getting bumped by the front of the deceased woman's car as she very rapidly accelerates away. Though I still don't think she truly intended to run the officer over, what she decided to do was not a good idea.
I simply linked an article that said she was an activist, basically the reason she was in that area.No it doesn't. Nothing about what happened has changed. She was murdered by an ICE agent unjustly. Nothing about her actions justified being put to death by ICE. NOTHING. That's why MN will pursue legal action against the ICE agent because it was unjustified homicide. Not that convicting him will bring a mother back to her children. JMO
He was never in front of the car. The video you posted shows that. He was off to the left, but never directly in front of her car. Then he advances and shoots her 3 times in the face for no reason, actually chasing her car to do so.This is the video I keep seeing. I didn't understand why so many people didn't think he was at the front when he was.
It was stated early on, right after her murder, that she was a "legal observer". Here's an article about what that means. People there to help "stand in the gap" for others. Legal observers keep watch as ICE patrols the streets. Now one of them is deadI simply linked an article that said she was an activist, basically the reason she was in that area.
It was news that was new to me. Earlier in the thread there was a lot of speculation as to what she was doing and why she was there. Now we know. That’s all. I’m not saying it changes anything.
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From what Homeland Security said she hit an officer with her SUV. Which as you know, is being debated.Let's PRETEND she disobeyed ICE and tried to drive away, is ICE within the law to shoot at and kill a fleeing person? Is fleeing from police a death sentence offense? No. No it's not. That's the bottom line. We don't even need to debate this anymore. JMO
AgreedOur country would be a better place if all citizens were as involved.
So instead he shot her while driving a moving vehicle, causing her to speed up, and hoped no one got hurt…I’ve watched several videos and frame by frames. Stayed away from online commentary. Letting her leave was not a safe option. She was not complying with commands and once she used her vehicle in a way that created an immediate threat, the situation changed. LE are not required to step aside and hope no one gets hurt. The agent had seconds to act to protect himself and others (not just LE, bystanders on the road too) and the risk did not disappear because she was trying to leave. The impacts were from the drivers side front windshield. This was justified based on what I have seen so far. All my opinion.
She had no control at that point, of the car as we see, she was shot in the face. No concern if any of his compadres got killed and def anyone else did he ? Nope, it was personal for his type of mind. Kill her. That was it. IMOSo instead he shot her while driving a moving vehicle, causing her to speed up, and hoped no one got hurt…
IMO No. He did not hope anything. She ignored commands and then used her vehicle in a way that put the agent, and others, in immediate danger. At that point the threat already existed .So instead he shot her while driving a moving vehicle, causing her to speed up, and hoped no one got hurt…
Think of this all, what did he expect or prepare for as far as SAFETY for all in the area when he shot her in the face while BEHIND THE WHEEL of a moving car? WHAT did he expect the now probably dead body would do, have control of, steer safely to the side of the road or put the car in park?? He did this with NO sense of surroundings or safety which was the ICE propaganda defense for killing the driver. IMOShe had no control at that point, of the car as we see, she was shot in the face. No concern if any of his compadres got killed and def anyone else did he ? Nope, it was personal for his type of mind. Kill her. That was it. IMO
Witnesses say that agents were giving conflicting commands. Multiple witnesses stated agents told her to leave.She was not complying with commands
No videos out there in the public sphere we’ve all seen repeatedly show what you are allegingIMO No. He did not hope anything. She ignored commands and then used her vehicle in a way that put the agent, and others, in immediate danger. At that point the threat already existed .
ICE and corrupt admin propaganda on repeat. Used her vehicle to leave, wheels turned away to continue down the street. Video's do not lie at the very least. IMOIMO No. He did not hope anything. She ignored commands and then used her vehicle in a way that put the agent, and others, in immediate danger. At that point the threat already existed .
Exactly. Hence, car was moving approx 2 mph per visual report, watching in front of her in order leave, others moved out from in her area as they saw she was leaving the area and had no concern about them, BUT the killer had concern, kill her. IMOWitnesses say that agents were giving conflicting commands. Multiple witnesses stated agents told her to leave.
“Some of them were leaving, and they just went around her, but ICE gave her orders to leave, while at the same time, another ICE person said, ‘Get out of the car,’ and he reached for her door handle. And then there was an ICE agent in front of her vehicle. So it was difficult for her to leave, as she'd been ordered to do,” Callenson said.
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Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”
Fleeing from police is not legal reason for the police to shoot you. That’s why they have those foot chases instead of just putting snipers around arrest scenes.From what Homeland Security said she hit an officer with her SUV. Which as you know, is being debated.
If she did in fact strike an officer with her SUV. Intentionally striking an officer with a car is considered deadly force. An officer is legally authorized to use deadly force, which may include shooting, in situations where they have a reasonable belief that their life or the lives of others are in imminent danger.
Fleeing from police is not considered justified under law.
If the agent thought she trying to run him down, shooting is not the proper response. It doesn't stop the car. It actually eliminates the possibility of the car stopping.
However, according to witnesses one of the agents was ordering her to do so.Letting her leave was not a safe option.
No but they are allowed to step aside to secure their own safetyLE are not required to step aside and hope no one gets hurt.
But the risks didn’t disappear after she was shot either. If he didn’t move he still could have been struck by the vehicle and considering she was shot in the head, how much control could she have had over the vehicle and prevented it from potentially hitting any other pedestrians or agents near it?The agent had seconds to act to protect himself and others (not just LE, bystanders on the road too) and the risk did not disappear because she was trying to leave.