MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

  • #801
Maybe so.

It shows she wasn’t just pulling out of a driveway or some such thing. imo
No it doesn't. Nothing about what happened has changed. She was murdered by an ICE agent unjustly. Nothing about her actions justified being put to death by ICE. NOTHING. That's why MN will pursue legal action against the ICE agent because it was unjustified homicide. Not that convicting him will bring a mother back to her children. JMO
 
  • #802
  • #803
One video in this series of videos clearly shows an officer getting bumped by the front of the deceased woman's car as she very rapidly accelerates away. Though I still don't think she truly intended to run the officer over, what she decided to do was not a good idea.

This is the video I keep seeing. I didn't understand why so many people didn't think he was at the front when he was.
 
  • #804
No it doesn't. Nothing about what happened has changed. She was murdered by an ICE agent unjustly. Nothing about her actions justified being put to death by ICE. NOTHING. That's why MN will pursue legal action against the ICE agent because it was unjustified homicide. Not that convicting him will bring a mother back to her children. JMO
I simply linked an article that said she was an activist, basically the reason she was in that area.

It was news that was new to me. Earlier in the thread there was a lot of speculation as to what she was doing and why she was there. Now we know. That’s all. I’m not saying it changes anything.

imo
 
  • #805
This is the video I keep seeing. I didn't understand why so many people didn't think he was at the front when he was.
He was never in front of the car. The video you posted shows that. He was off to the left, but never directly in front of her car. Then he advances and shoots her 3 times in the face for no reason, actually chasing her car to do so.
 
  • #806
If it hasn't been mentioned here, the ICE agent who shot her has been identified as Jonathan Ross. (I sure wouldn't want to be a man with that name in the days to come, that's for sure.) You may need to enter an e-mail to read the whole story.

 
  • #807
I simply linked an article that said she was an activist, basically the reason she was in that area.

It was news that was new to me. Earlier in the thread there was a lot of speculation as to what she was doing and why she was there. Now we know. That’s all. I’m not saying it changes anything.

imo
It was stated early on, right after her murder, that she was a "legal observer". Here's an article about what that means. People there to help "stand in the gap" for others. Legal observers keep watch as ICE patrols the streets. Now one of them is dead
 
  • #808
Let's PRETEND she disobeyed ICE and tried to drive away, is ICE within the law to shoot at and kill a fleeing person? Is fleeing from police a death sentence offense? No. No it's not. That's the bottom line. We don't even need to debate this anymore. JMO
From what Homeland Security said she hit an officer with her SUV. Which as you know, is being debated.

If she did in fact strike an officer with her SUV. Intentionally striking an officer with a car is considered deadly force. An officer is legally authorized to use deadly force, which may include shooting, in situations where they have a reasonable belief that their life or the lives of others are in imminent danger.

Fleeing from police is not considered justified under law.
 
  • #809
Our country would be a better place if all citizens were as involved.
Agreed

Also a lot better off without the slanted journalism of the NYPost.
Just from the excerpt posted above "woke charter school" ? Seriously ?
Political and perjorative - talk about bias :rolleyes:
JMO
 
  • #810
R.I.P. Renee Good and my condolences to your wife and children. I hope the agents involved are held accountable.

MOO but I view the shooting as unjustified. The officers escalated the situation and made the scene more chaotic by pulling on the door handle, one agent putting his arm through the open window to seemingly unlock the door manually and agents confusingly yelling at her at the same time to both get out of the car and drive away. Considering her tires were facing towards the right after she reversed her vehicle, I don’t believe she had any intention of hitting Agent Ross.

I think instead due to the chaos going on and an agents arm appearing through the window of the car distracted Good and understandably she tried to drive away, or at least get away from the agent trying to unlock her door. She might not have even seen Agent Ross standing in front of her car before she pulled off considering it took him less than a second to step in front of it and the other agent’s movements were distracting. JMO

I also don’t understand why Agent Ross would take the risk to move and stand in the pathway of a moving vehicle, even if it is going in reverse, considering how quickly how quickly, as he himself experienced, a driver can just choose to speed off instead and end up not avoiding hitting anything in their path as they are driving too fast. His decision to move in front of the car during all that chaos contributed more than any Good made in terms of putting his safety and well-being at risk IMO.

Additionally, the last two shots appear to have gone through Good’s driver side window when the agent was to the side of the vehicle and angled away from it. Can those last two shots be justified if he was not in danger of getting hit at the time they were fired?

Also, IMO, Agent Ross was standing too close to Good’s car that shooting the driver would not have prevented him from getting hit as the vehicle would have still been in motion even if the driver was incapacitated.

This is just my speculation/opinion

Fatal ICE shooting in Minneapolis: Agent identified

 
  • #811
I’ve watched several videos and frame by frames. Stayed away from online commentary. Letting her leave was not a safe option. She was not complying with commands and once she used her vehicle in a way that created an immediate threat, the situation changed. LE are not required to step aside and hope no one gets hurt. The agent had seconds to act to protect himself and others (not just LE, bystanders on the road too) and the risk did not disappear because she was trying to leave. The impacts were from the drivers side front windshield. This was justified based on what I have seen so far. All my opinion.
 
  • #812
I’ve watched several videos and frame by frames. Stayed away from online commentary. Letting her leave was not a safe option. She was not complying with commands and once she used her vehicle in a way that created an immediate threat, the situation changed. LE are not required to step aside and hope no one gets hurt. The agent had seconds to act to protect himself and others (not just LE, bystanders on the road too) and the risk did not disappear because she was trying to leave. The impacts were from the drivers side front windshield. This was justified based on what I have seen so far. All my opinion.
So instead he shot her while driving a moving vehicle, causing her to speed up, and hoped no one got hurt…
 
  • #813
So instead he shot her while driving a moving vehicle, causing her to speed up, and hoped no one got hurt…
She had no control at that point, of the car as we see, she was shot in the face. No concern if any of his compadres got killed and def anyone else did he ? Nope, it was personal for his type of mind. Kill her. That was it. IMO
 
  • #814
So instead he shot her while driving a moving vehicle, causing her to speed up, and hoped no one got hurt…
IMO No. He did not hope anything. She ignored commands and then used her vehicle in a way that put the agent, and others, in immediate danger. At that point the threat already existed .
 
  • #815
She had no control at that point, of the car as we see, she was shot in the face. No concern if any of his compadres got killed and def anyone else did he ? Nope, it was personal for his type of mind. Kill her. That was it. IMO
Think of this all, what did he expect or prepare for as far as SAFETY for all in the area when he shot her in the face while BEHIND THE WHEEL of a moving car? WHAT did he expect the now probably dead body would do, have control of, steer safely to the side of the road or put the car in park?? He did this with NO sense of surroundings or safety which was the ICE propaganda defense for killing the driver. IMO
 
  • #816
She was not complying with commands
Witnesses say that agents were giving conflicting commands. Multiple witnesses stated agents told her to leave.

“Some of them were leaving, and they just went around her, but ICE gave her orders to leave, while at the same time, another ICE person said, ‘Get out of the car,’ and he reached for her door handle. And then there was an ICE agent in front of her vehicle. So it was difficult for her to leave, as she'd been ordered to do,” Callenson said.

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Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”


 
  • #817
IMO No. He did not hope anything. She ignored commands and then used her vehicle in a way that put the agent, and others, in immediate danger. At that point the threat already existed .
No videos out there in the public sphere we’ve all seen repeatedly show what you are alleging
 
  • #818
IMO No. He did not hope anything. She ignored commands and then used her vehicle in a way that put the agent, and others, in immediate danger. At that point the threat already existed .
ICE and corrupt admin propaganda on repeat. Used her vehicle to leave, wheels turned away to continue down the street. Video's do not lie at the very least. IMO
 
  • #819
Witnesses say that agents were giving conflicting commands. Multiple witnesses stated agents told her to leave.

“Some of them were leaving, and they just went around her, but ICE gave her orders to leave, while at the same time, another ICE person said, ‘Get out of the car,’ and he reached for her door handle. And then there was an ICE agent in front of her vehicle. So it was difficult for her to leave, as she'd been ordered to do,” Callenson said.

...
Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”


Exactly. Hence, car was moving approx 2 mph per visual report, watching in front of her in order leave, others moved out from in her area as they saw she was leaving the area and had no concern about them, BUT the killer had concern, kill her. IMO
 
  • #820
From what Homeland Security said she hit an officer with her SUV. Which as you know, is being debated.

If she did in fact strike an officer with her SUV. Intentionally striking an officer with a car is considered deadly force. An officer is legally authorized to use deadly force, which may include shooting, in situations where they have a reasonable belief that their life or the lives of others are in imminent danger.

Fleeing from police is not considered justified under law.
Fleeing from police is not legal reason for the police to shoot you. That’s why they have those foot chases instead of just putting snipers around arrest scenes.

If you are standing to the side of a moving vehicle, you are not entitled to claim your life is in danger.
 

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