MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

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  • #1,461
After watching many videos of ICE protests across the nation, and what happened on Wednesday, my opinion is that some ICE agents do not see protestors as legitimate citizens. They respond as if the protestors are vermin to be eradicated, non-entities to be dispersed in whatever means possible. The dehumanization of protestors has been calculated. From the top down. MOO.
 
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Yes. Sadly, our country has changed. There is no decency in what's going on.

MOO.
There is some decency. I see it here. We recognize each other. Let's hold each other up.

jmo
 
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There is some decency. I see it here. We recognize each other. Let's hold each other up.

jmo

Oh, there's definitely decency in the country. I meant there's no decency in these operations/shootings.

MOO.
 
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I'm a foreigner who has heard all my life that the US is the greatest country in the world. Of course I assume that ICE agents are professionals.

Has the US changed so much in the past year that unprofessional officers patrolling the streets shoot people because they're emotionally upset by protesters?
Your response didn't answer my question.

There have been multiple incidents of ICE shooting people in vehicles, making accusations that are later shown to be false, and charges against the victims being thrown out. (Links posted previously)

Do you think this shows ICE agents as competent professionals?
 
  • #1,466
I have watched it. I mute the noise.
Well you won't be able to hear what was being said if the volume is off.
There is good and bad everywhere but we need to listen and think critically to decide what we think is happening and live with.
 
  • #1,467
Officers are trained to shoot to kill. Anything less, leaves them vulnerable. Once he was triggered to respond to a threat, he reacted.
And once he's "triggered", he can't un-trigger before he makes sure she's dead with shots #2 and #3?
 
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The president of the united states swears all the time. I assume that sort of language is normal and unrelated to emotion in the US.
Many people, such as myself, are regularly appalled by this and do not consider it the way a reasonable, rational, thoughtful person speaks unless under the temporary influence of strong emotion. JMO.
 
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I just saw the ring doorbell video from right where the vehicle came to rest.

Ms Good's wife was first to reach the victim (running).
Then the shooter sauntered up slowly , looked in the vehicle and walked away leaving the two women alone at the vehicle.

It did not show his ICE vehicle driving by/leaving as the woman he shot lay dying in the front seat of car.

I saw a video yesterday where the killer ICE person hopped into a light grey coloured vehicle - driven by someone else - and left the scene. I think it was in a video where people were yelling "Murderer, murderer, don't let him leave".

I will go back and get the link.

ETA: From about the 1:50 mark in the video in this link
 
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Officers are trained to shoot to kill. Anything less, leaves them vulnerable. Once he was triggered to respond to a threat, he reacted.
They are trained, or supposed to be trained, not to use excessive force, to only use lethal force when in (legitimate) fear for their life, and to deescalate tense situations. They are supposed to accurately assess situations.

No other agent had a gun out.

Seconds before the shooting the victim was smiling at him.
 
  • #1,471
I'm a foreigner who has heard all my life that the US is the greatest country in the world. Of course I assume that ICE agents are professionals.

Has the US changed so much in the past year that unprofessional officers patrolling the streets shoot people because they're emotionally upset by protesters?
IMO, yes. There has been an extreme shift in the very foundation of this country. As has been stated here, ICE agents have been hired very quickly and are not receiving adequate training. The recruitment for ICE agents is also geared towards a vigilante type position where they promise a lot of money and bonuses. The government has said they plan to ramp up deportations by any means necessary, no matter the law. They have been challenged in court over their tactics several times. The ICE of 2025/2026 is nothing like the ICE when it was founded 20 odd years ago. Nothing like this has ever been done before in this country. All MOO.
 
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Oh, there's definitely decency in the country. I meant there's no decency in these operations/shootings.

MOO.
Oops - sorry. I rushed to defend the remaining decency without seeing the specific reference. :)
 
  • #1,473
One video on NBC does not appear to show frightened women in the vehicle.

Rather, one woman gets out of the vehicle and challenges the ICE officer repeatedly as to why he is filming the licence plate, as she is filming the officer. The driver looks directly at his camera (phone) and says something.

Neither seems frightened to me. But.... other people can have different spins.


Neither am I. And, I agree, the videos are out there.
Jonathon Ross gets out of his vehicle and has his phone on.

The video is 47 seconds long.

At 3 seconds he exits the car. While he walks counterclockwise from the passenger side to the driver's side you hear RC say, 'It's okay, dude, I'm not mad at you.' Her left arm is outside the vehicle; her fingers aren't clenched; she seems relaxed. She's smiling. The time is 18 seconds. He says nothing.

He continues to walk around the car to the rear checking out the license plate. At 21 seconds, RC's wife makes some snarky remark about their license plate being the same one tomorrow as it is today, making reference to ICE's strategy to use rental vehicles and switching out the plates. No aggression, though. He says nothing.

As he continues to move counterclockwise the wife continues to made snide remarks about him getting some lunch. He says nothing. The time is 34 seconds.

At 39 seconds Becca Good attempts to get in the front passenger seat but because Renee has been moving the vehicle, the door is locked. At the same time Becca yells 'drive, baby, drive', I presume because she thought she could get the door open.

At almost exactly the same time, 40 seconds, you hear an ICE agent at the driver's door, yelling to RG to get out of the car. Again at almost exactly the same time (if you count how long a second is, at the 40 second mark) you count out loud, one thousand and one, JR is standing to the right of the Honda. You can see RG through the windscreen from the right, almost out of the frame. She appears to be looking right, not at JC, in the direction I presume she is leaving. He says nothing.

At 41 seconds, the angle changes completely, where you are looking over the hood of the vehicle and at the back of JR's SUV. Still during the 41 second period (remember the count - one thousand and one) now we're looking at the side of JR's vehicle including the back door. He says nothing.

At 42 seconds the angle changes abruptly and you hear someone verbalize, you are looking at sky. At 43 seconds you hear shots.

At 43 seconds, JR mutters f***ing b****h.

From the 43 second mark to the 47 second mark you see RG's vehicle driving away. The end of the video you are looking at the ground because I believe that is when JR holstered his weapon.

From the 18 second mark to the 43 second mark is 25 seconds. Twenty five seconds where a woman was pleasant to an ICE officer with no sign of aggression, anger or snark to being shot 3 times. The only time he spoke was to mutter a profanity.
 
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If we strip away all the politics, the opinions about the legitimacy of ICE, the emotions, the history, and just look at the facts ...

We have three officers. Two arrive and one orders the woman to get out of her vehicle. It doesn't matter why they did that, it must matters that it happened.

The woman did not get out of her vehicle. She chose to ignore the officers. It's well known that refusing to listen to an officer will escalate the situation.

While she was backing up her vehicle, one of the officers walked in front of her vehicle and towards the other two officers.

While that officer was walking in front of her vehicle, she reversed direction and started accelerating, spinning her front tires on the ice. He interpreted that decision as a threat. He reacted by pulling his weapon and aiming it at her. She didn't stop. He shot her.

Her vehicle continued in the direction she was steering and crashed into a parked vehicle with force.

Take away the noise, and what's left? Officers told a woman to do something, she refused, the situation escalated, the officer believed he was threatened, and we know how it ended.
It has been noted and cited and documented many times that there were conflicting orders. And, yes. It does matter why somebody enforcing immigration law is asking a citizen to get out of her car. The officer can't make that request at random people.

MOO
 
  • #1,475
I have always liked reading Orwell:

- "If Comrade Napoleon says it, it must be right," - George Orwell Animal Farm

- "Boxer and clover Could be brainwashed into believing whatever the pigs tell them because they are known as the most clever." - George Orwell Animal Farm


Today, "The Comrades" have imitated the same communist group thought that Orwell warns us about: The ICE agent must be at fault, because to be at fault, one must be an ICE agent.

I encourage all to resist this trend ala Orwell:

“If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

In the end, the driver accelerated at the officer.
So true, Cryptic.
 
  • #1,476
NO! They are trained to shoot to STOP. They are not trained to kill.

Come on, dude.

jmo


The police training is to hit the larger target.

It’s incredibly hard to STOP someone by shooting them in the knee, for example.

It’s a split second decision and they aim for either the chest or the head.

Usually the chest.
 
  • #1,477
I just saw the ring doorbell video from right where the vehicle came to rest.

Ms Good's wife was first to reach the victim (running).
Then the shooter sauntered up slowly , looked in the vehicle and walked away leaving the two women alone at the vehicle.

It did not show his ICE vehicle driving by/leaving as the woman he shot lay dying in the front seat of car.
Interesting how the "domestic terrorists" wife was able to run straight to her dead/dying loved one and into the car without being stopped by any of the ICE agents.
There could have been weapons in there, right? I mean, these "terrorists" were so dangerous that killing one of them was necessary.
Were the agents still in fear for their lives at that point?
Makes zero sense. No protocol was followed. No professionalism.
What a clustermuck.
IMO.
 
  • #1,478
I'm a foreigner who has heard all my life that the US is the greatest country in the world. Of course I assume that ICE agents are professionals.

Has the US changed so much in the past year that unprofessional officers patrolling the streets shoot people because they're emotionally upset by protesters?
Where did you hear that the US is the greatest country all your life? In Alberta? Anyway, good to put thinking cap on and judge for yourself whether the US is the greatest country in the world! According to whose criteria anyway? As a foreigner you have experience of living in other countries, which should give you means of comparison. I'd put Canada way ahead of the US any day, personally, and so would many people in Alberta. They're not all MAGA separatists.

I think in a number of countries, including the US, you will find that innocent people are unfortunately shot by LE, there are threads to that effect on WS. Whether the officers are emotionally upset by protestors or shoot for other reasons...

The US does seem to be changing and not for the better, I say as a foreigner.

All JMO
 
  • #1,479
I do believe that the only reason the officer pulled his weapon and aimed at the driver was to stop her, but she didn't stop.

I do not believe that the officer shot the driver because he has PTSD, anger against women, felt taunted, was emotional, or for any reason other than reasons associated with his job. That is, the only reason he would pull a weapon and shoot is because he felt threatened when a vehicle was heading towards him.
Not true, but if it were, ICE is explicitly trained

1) to not use deadly force to detain a suspect (and I guess that goes to non-suspects, like the victim, who was just there observing)

2) not to shoot a driver in attempt to stop a car.

Your assessment of the situation is not at all what I see with my eyes, but if it were what happened, the officer took the wrong deadly actions all the same.

MOO
 
  • #1,480
After watching many videos of ICE protests across the nation, and what happened on Wednesday, my opinion is that some ICE agents do not see protestors as legitimate citizens. They respond as if the protestors are vermin to be eradicated, non-entities to be dispersed in whatever means possible. The dehumanization of protestors has been calculated. From the top down. MOO.
Yes. There has been a very clear effort to dehumanize any opposition. From an historical perspective, that's terrifying.
 

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