MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

[Sillybilly]

Okay folks ... thread is closed for the night.

Check back tomorrow and we'll see how it all goes.

G'night

 

[Sillybilly]

Has the Medical Examiner ruled on the manner of death?

There is frequent use of the word “murder” in this thread. Murder is a specific legal determination, generally defined as the unlawful and premeditated killing of one person by another. While that may ultimately be the conclusion, it has not been established at this point. IMO until the Medical Examiner and the appropriate legal authorities have made their findings, the manner of death remains undetermined.

Manners of Death are Natural, Accidental, Homicide, Suicide, or Undetermined. IMO, this could only be classified as Homicide.

Homicide just means caused by another person, whether intentional or through negligence. Under homicide, classifications of murder vary somewhat. Minnesota Statutes, Ch. 609.18 through 609.22 show a range from 1st degree which is premeditated, down to 2nd and 3rd degree, then manslaughter 1 or manslaughter 2 etc. It appears that federal only has 1st and 2nd degree with no additional categories.

(Sorry for the Wiki on federal, but I'm too tired to find it right now and am gone for the night)

 

[Sillybilly]

Sorry it's so late, but the thread is open again folks.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

‘A soft and beautiful spirit’ – Renee Nicole Good remembered by friends in Northern Ireland after her visits there as a teenager

Woman shot dead by ICE agent spent time in Co Down and Co Derry on Christian youth missions in the early 2000s, which friends recall fondly

‘A soft and beautiful spirit’ – Renee Nicole Good remembered by friends in Northern Ireland after her visits there as a teenager

Northern Irish friends of a woman who was shot dead by an ICE enforcement officer have spoken about her “soft and beautiful spirit”.

m.independent.ie

 

[SouthAussie]

Noval Noir is painting a portrait of Renee Nicole Good at the memorial in Minneapolis after Good was fatally shot by an ICE officer earlier this week.

"Just to continue her legacy, continue what she believed in, uplift her family, especially her children"

 

[LibraStarr]

Minneapolis ICE shooting live updates: Protests remain peaceful despite arrests: Officials

The Minneapolis mayor and police chief said demonstrations against ICE have been mostly peaceful, however, there were some arrests.

abcnews.go.com

“Three House members from Minnesota, Ilhan Omar, Angie Craig and Kelly Morrison, claimed they were asked to leave a federal building Saturday morning after they requested an oversight visit.”

 

[north_west]

Manners of Death are Natural, Accidental, Homicide, Suicide, or Undetermined. IMO, this could only be classified as Homicide.

Homicide just means caused by another person, whether intentional or through negligence. Under homicide, classifications of murder vary somewhat. Minnesota Statutes, Ch. 609.18 through 609.22 show a range from 1st degree which is premeditated, down to 2nd and 3rd degree, then manslaughter 1 or manslaughter 2 etc. It appears that federal only has 1st and 2nd degree with no additional categories.

(Sorry for the Wiki on federal, but I'm too tired to find it right now and am gone for the night)

My point was really about timing and precision. IMO homicide will end up being the official classification, but that determination belongs to the Medical Examiner. Legal authorities will decide on any additional charges. <modsnip>

 

[zleuther]

It has everything to do with the conduct of ICE agents, which is absolutely relevant. There have been many incidents that are remarkably similar of ICE agents shooting (into cars) and making accusations that are later shown to be false.

It also is relevant to the discussion of bias against LE and whether or not these types of actions by LE are ok.

I would like to see proof of this.

My phone's AI (indispensable sleuth tool FYI) gathered this one, straight outta Keystone Cops...

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/21/us/marimar-martinez-shooting-case-what-we-know

Noem/DHS false accusations were:

domestic terrorist with a
semi-automatic weapon
ramming ICE

The agent who sideswiped her, wrote

"The defense attorney in the shooting case is wanting [my Tahoe] held as evidence and the judge signed off on it...The FBI has also requested the reasoning behind why the scuff marks were buffed off the Tahoe from Chicago. The defense attorney will be asking so they want to have an answer ready."

The case was adjudicated 11/20/25 with US Attorney Boutros (representing the people via Noem/DHS) saying nevermind with the charges after all. Proof...

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71561860/united-states-v-martinez/

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487595/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487595.62.0_1.pdf

More generally...
Source: www.cbp.gov

67 case files related to Border Patrol agents’ use of deadly force revealed on page 8, "It is suspected that in many vehicle shooting cases, the subject driver was attempting to flee from the agents who intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force."

Source: www.cbp.gov https://share.google/Ekg3QhMeOvfsZXTtg

 

[southgoldengirl]

My point was really about timing and precision. IMO homicide will end up being the official classification, but that determination belongs to the Medical Examiner. Legal authorities will decide on any additional charges. <modsnip>

All very good points.
So what do you think about the President, Noem and the administration immediately stating that it was self-defense and he was well within his rights to shoot her?
Do you think that is good and responsible leadership?
It looks to me that they are trying to control the narrative, lay blame on her and tell everyone this is how you should view this incident no matter what the truth might be.

It's all about controlling the narrative by this govt
IMO

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Certainly getting expensive

Deportations to Add Almost $1 Trillion in Costs to the “Big Beautiful Bill”

https://www.cato.org/blog/deportations-add-almost-1-trillion-costs-gops-big-beautiful-bill

 

[north_west]

All very good points.
So what do you think about the President, Noem and the administration immediately stating that it was self-defense and he was well within his rights to shoot her?
Do you think that is good and responsible leadership?
It looks to me that they are trying to control the narrative, lay blame on her and tell everyone this is how you should view this incident no matter what the truth might be.

It's all about controlling the narrative by this govt
IMO

If I could I would tell them the same thing: Don't use definite terms until the facts have been determined. But they are not in this thread AFAIK.

The amount of certainty being asserted on all sides is making it difficult to examine the evidence objectively.

I come to WS to examine the evidence. I'm finding it very difficult in this case.

 

[zleuther]

Flip side of that is, we know so much here cuz of all the cameras, and my conclusion (and kinda the conclusion of the US CBP Report I link upthread) is ..

How often do these murders go down without anybody even finding out???!!!

 

[seasideForest]

The amount of certainty being asserted on all sides is making it difficult to examine the evidence objectively.

I found this analysis on CBC quite good, not overly emotional. JMO

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.7039072

 

[Yellowbelly]

A process question. We know that Mr Vance thinks that federal agents have absolute criminal immunity for their actions while on duty, and that the Minnesota police don't feel themselves able to investigate, leaving the FBI as the sole body investigating. There is another branch of investigation that I would like to ask about. In England & Wales all unexplained and violent deaths are examined by a coroner in an inquest. An inquest jury can return various verdicts, including unlawful killing. The original colonies that became the United States inherited their legal systems from England. Was the principle of coroner's inquests a part of that, and do they exist in Minnesota?

There is not much likelihood of there being a state criminal legal process here, given the present circumstances, but will there be a state level inquest into the death that could at least reach a view on whether the homicide was justified or unlawful?

 

[southgoldengirl]

If I could I would tell them the same thing: Don't use definite terms until the facts have been determined. But they are not in this thread AFAIK.

The amount of certainty being asserted on all sides is making it difficult to examine the evidence objectively.

I come to WS to examine the evidence. I'm finding it very difficult in this case.

But they are your leaders who you voted in to serve you responsibly...I hope. Their job should be to be impartial until there is a thorough investigation.
Instead the powers that be are telling you what to think, which is my main point.
So if they are already telling you what happened then it's unlikely that they are impartial or interested in what really happened
You don't just wave away their influence like they're another poster on WS

 

[Elley Mae]

Renee Nicole Good seen ‘dancing’ as she blocks ICE agents for several minutes before fatal Minneapolis shooting

Renee Nicole Good seen ‘dancing’ as she blocks ICE agents for several minutes before fatal Minneapolis shooting

The 31/2-minute clip, posted on X Saturday, was shot from high up and shows Good’s vehicle stopped diagonally across the street, obstructing one lane of traffic.

nypost.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010037103665787019

 

[SouthAussie]

If I could I would tell them the same thing: Don't use definite terms until the facts have been determined. But they are not in this thread AFAIK.

The amount of certainty being asserted on all sides is making it difficult to examine the evidence objectively.

I come to WS to examine the evidence. I'm finding it very difficult in this case.

Even if the govt 'justifies' the publicly-accused ICE officer as having had trauma from a previous incident, was scared of being run over, the vehicle lightly brushed him while he retained his balance .... I am not seeing any justification for two shots through the driver's side window. When the ICE person was clearly out of harm's way.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Renee Nicole Good seen ‘dancing’ as she blocks ICE agents for several minutes before fatal Minneapolis shooting

Renee Nicole Good seen ‘dancing’ as she blocks ICE agents for several minutes before fatal Minneapolis shooting

The 31/2-minute clip, posted on X Saturday, was shot from high up and shows Good’s vehicle stopped diagonally across the street, obstructing one lane of traffic.

nypost.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010037103665787019

If you have followed what is happening at ICE operations around the US, dancing and music (and funny light-hearted costumes) are a big part of the protests.

imo

 

[303gmf]

Renee Nicole Good seen ‘dancing’ as she blocks ICE agents for several minutes before fatal Minneapolis shooting

Renee Nicole Good seen ‘dancing’ as she blocks ICE agents for several minutes before fatal Minneapolis shooting

The 31/2-minute clip, posted on X Saturday, was shot from high up and shows Good’s vehicle stopped diagonally across the street, obstructing one lane of traffic.

nypost.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010037103665787019

Not by any stretch of one’s imagination would that matter what she was or not doing. Facts are she was killed, brutally in public

 

[seasideForest]

Even if the govt 'justifies' the publicly-accused ICE officer as having had trauma from a previous incident,

If you're still that reactive due to trauma from a previous incident, then you should be in therapy and on sick leave or at the most have a desk job. MOO