MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

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They absolutely are armed federal law enforcement with real federal authority. imo
Their mission is to enforce immigration laws. There's really no reason for them to be interacting at all with citizens or protesters. .. especially in this case where the agents drove past her, then stopped their car to go back and engage her.
 
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A thought experiment.

How would things have gone had the Administration come out immediately and said

1. They are sending thoughts and prayers to Ms. Good's family and they are sorry for her loss.
2. They agree that the video looks bad for Mr. Ross, but
3. They will await the official results from a joint state-FBI investigation
4. And if it comes out that Mr. Ross was at fault he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
 
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A thought experiment.

How would things have gone had the Administration come out immediately and said

1. They are sending thoughts and prayers to Ms. Good's family and they are sorry for her loss.
2. They agree that the video looks bad for Mr. Ross, but
3. They will await the official results from a joint state-FBI investigation
4. And if it comes out that Mr. Ross was at fault he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Or said nothing at all as it's an active investigation. But the spinning began immediately. Why would anyone be confident that the FBI will conduct an unbiased and independent investigation?
 
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Yes. See Fraize's post HERE

Hi Tricia,
Since you're here, might you be willing to talk about why, paraphrasing Fraize's words, freezing reactions might tone down the conversation?

As I said in my above post, I use them simply as shorthand for "I agree" with this post. If there's an "I disagree" reaction, I'm not even aware of it lol!

I feel I must be missing something.

As always, thank you to you and Websleuths for all you do to bring justice for crime victims.
 
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Their mission is to enforce immigration laws. There's really no reason for them to be interacting at all with citizens or protesters. .. especially in this case where the agents drove past her, then stopped their car to go back and engage her.
Exactly this. 👍
 
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Or said nothing at all as it's an active investigation. But the spinning began immediately. Why would anyone be confident that the FBI will conduct an unbiased and independent investigation?

I think the situation this egregious required a statement from the White House. I don't think saying nothing at all was an option.
 
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I think the situation this egregious required a statement from the White House. I don't think saying nothing at all was an option.
I suppose that's true. Perhaps just NOT the statements they actually made. Noem's statements have been particularly disturbing. IMHO.
 
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That’s an emotional distortion of what happened from my perspective. This isn’t about being fine with killing, dancing or personality. She was interfering in a federal operation (like it or not, they are doing their jobs), parked her car perpendicular in the darn road, she refused commands, she backed up, again she’s being told to get out of the car, she backs up, then accelerates, a four thousand pound moving vehicle coming at the agent, her vehicle then made contact with the agent. In that split second it became a perceived lethal threat assessment. Multiple shots are fired because officers are trained to shoot until the threat stops. There is no rule that one shot is enough. His aim was deliberate and targeted.

It’s incredibly sad that Ms. Good* has been killed. It is. I’m also relieved this agent was not injured. He was doing his job.

Si now what. This could be a civil case, that I strongly believe goes no where. Perhaps criminal charges, again that I believe goes no where.

Tennessee vs Gardner is the standard that likely rules in favor of the agent.

All my opinion

Edited: *name spelling correction
Well stated. 👍
 
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Did you watch the hundred of videos? She was shot by his gun pointed at her face, dud you hear what he called her afterwards??
:(
 
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My point was that had the White House responded immediately with respect and condolences for Ms. Good, and a neutral tone about the investigation, and a promise to punish the ICE officer if he were found guilty of any wrongdoing...

How many people here would still be arguing that the ICE officer's actions were justified?

If you would, I would appreciate your views.
 
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LE authority does not turn off because someone is a US citizen, a mother, unarmed in the sense of not holding a gun. A moving 4000 pound vehicle used against an officer is a deadly weapon . His job in that moment was not immigration enforcement , it was self defense. IMO
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My definitive answer is..... I don't really know- but maybe. I mainly shoot .22s and shy away from bigger calibres that are designed for use against people.

The full calibre guns that I am familiar with are older, "double action" design. These guns have a longer trigger pull because mechanically, one needs to bring the hammer back via pulling the trigger before it falls and fires the gun.

A jolt, shove, even a brushing car hit like what happened to the Agent would likely not cause this type of gun to go off via flinching (assuming that the trigger had to been staged back)

Other guns are "single action". They have a shorter trigger pull as mechanically, pulling the trigger releases the hammer to fall. More modern designs are "striker" fired. I am not familiar with these.

But... I believe that nearly all modern law enforcement guns are striker fired. I have heard that these can have very short trigger pulls, especially if one is not used to it. I just have never fired one.
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dbm
 
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:confused:
 
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I would be very interested to know if the first shot through the front windscreen was a killing shot. Or if it missed Renee. Or if it non-fatally injured Renee.

Because, to me, it seems inarguable that the 2nd shot and 3rd shot through the driver's side window (at very close range) were fired with deliberate intent to kill.

Perhaps if those two shots were not fired, Renee would be alive today.

imo
 
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A thought experiment.

How would things have gone had the Administration come out immediately and said

1. They are sending thoughts and prayers to Ms. Good's family and they are sorry for her loss.
2. They agree that the video looks bad for Mr. Ross, but
3. They will await the official results from a joint state-FBI investigation
4. And if it comes out that Mr. Ross was at fault he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

This is exactly what *should* have been said.
 
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