MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

[CrimeDawg123]

How can he see that she is a US citizen? Because she is white and speaking English with no accent? That really doesn't mean much. Skin color, language spoken or accent have nothing to do with legal citizenship. But then it didn't seem like anyone was disputing her citizenship. She was blocking the road, obstructing a law enforcement operation. That's why they approached and instructed her to exit her vehicle.

Trust me. Having lived near the southern border for 40+ years being white with no accent is exactly how they determine US citizenship.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

A thought experiment.

How would things have gone had the Administration come out immediately and said

1. They are sending thoughts and prayers to Ms. Good's family and they are sorry for her loss.
2. They agree that the video looks bad for Mr. Ross, but
3. They will await the official results from a joint state-FBI investigation
4. And if it comes out that Mr. Ross was at fault he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Well, yes, that's exactly what you would have expected in normal times.

 

[Hexe]

And then he walked off to where Renee's vehicle had crashed. Took a look inside, and walked back ... saying "Call 911" (presumably to other ICE workers) and giving the 'wrap it up' hand sign.


This is him part way through the 'wrap it up' command, as he walks back. This bystander got some good footage of him.
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An ICE shooting was filmed from multiple angles. No-one agrees on what happened

ICE agents shot a woman in Minnesota. The president says it was self-defence while protesters claim it was murder. Here's what the vision shows.

www.abc.net.au

The picture I am going to post comes from the article linked above:

You can see the wheels changed direction because the driver was trying to turn around in order to drive away. You can also see the shooter, approaching the car from the front (therefore creating that potentially dangerous situation) and then shooting at the car while not being in front of it, not even in a distance to be, say, clipped by the side of it.

How can anyone claim self defence after seeing that is beyond my comprehension.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't know if people think that by getting in the agent's faces filming, heckling them and blocking roads is going to make them cease operations, but if so that is delusional. These are law enforcement actions that have been sanctioned by the US Government to occur. Nobody is going to stop what is happening by being an agitator.

I think they know they are not going to stop ICE, but they want ICE, the govt, and the world to know they don't agree with what they are doing. They want the world to know what is going on. That is what protesting and being observers is about.

When people see govt actions that they feel are wrong, they protest. Only about 1/3 of the voting population mandated these actions.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

The picture I am going to post comes from the article linked above:

You can see the wheels changed direction because the driver was trying to turn around in order to drive away. You can also see the shooter, approaching the car from the front (therefore creating that potentially dangerous situation) and then shooting at the car while not being in front of it, not even in a distance to be, say, clipped by the side of it.

How can anyone claim self defence after seeing that is beyond my comprehension.

You can also see the moment he pulls his gun.

 

[Hexe]

The question i will always have is why put yourself in the middle of a situation like that. Protest from a distance. Observe from a distance.

If you ask "why put yourself in the middle of a situation" and not "why it is so dangerous to be anywhere around American law enforcement?" you ask wrong question, IMO.

Protesting is the citisen's right. Shooting protesters is a gross abuse of power. How comes things like that happen in a country that once put sanctions on my country for shooting at the protesters? Oh the irony...

MOO.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

It's very telling to me that the leaked cell phone video (whether by Ross himself as suspected or someone else) that in thinking it would exonerate him, they didn't cut out the f*ng b*ch comment.

That somehow calling her an f*ing b*ch draws people to your side.

She was dancing though. Extremely provocative apparently. That behaviour deserves all the expletives from a good Christian officer.

 

[Hexe]

I think they know they are not going to stop ICE, but they want ICE, the govt, and the world to know they don't agree with what they are doing. They want the world to know what is going on. That is what protesting and being observers is about.

When people see govt actions that they feel are wrong, they protest. Only about 1/3 of the voting population mandated these actions.

imo

Agree.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

With his time with ICE, he can perfectly well see that she was a US citizen.

For ice to engage with legal US citizen makers as much sense as, for example, for TSA to chase illegal immigrants on highways. Different organizations. Different "target groups". He went onto the police's area of expertise, to think of.

A badge is a badge. Obey or die

 

[Mo Thuairim]

If you ask "why put yourself in the middle of a situation" and not "why it is so dangerous to be anywhere around American law enforcement?" you ask wrong question, IMO.

Protesting is the citisen's right. Shooting protesters is a gross abuse of power. How comes things like that happen in a country that once put sanctions on my country for shooting at the protesters? Oh the irony...

MOO.

Agree. Shooting protesters only happens in undemocratic countries.

 

[LibraStarr]

I think they know they are not going to stop ICE, but they want ICE, the govt, and the world to know they don't agree with what they are doing. They want the world to know what is going on. That is what protesting and being observers is about.

When people see govt actions that they feel are wrong, they protest. Only about 1/3 of the voting population mandated these actions.

imo

To add to this… the whistles and horns are sort of like an alert system. Communities around the country have been using them for weeks to alert people when ICE shows up so vulnerable residents know agents are in the area and can take cover or be aware of what’s happening.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

To add to this… the whistles and horns are sort of like an alert system. Communities around the country have been using them for weeks to alert people when ICE shows up so vulnerable residents know agents are in the area and can take cover or be aware of what’s happening.

There are historical precedents for this.

 

[Yellowbelly]

So how is this relevant to the case? I've seen lots of political stickers on cars and homes, or signs and flags, not sure what this has to do with this case.

Because it raises questions as to how Officer Ross sees himself. Does he see himself as a politically neutral law enforcement officer, or does he see himself as one of Mr Trump's stormtroopers?

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Because it raises questions as to how Officer Ross sees himself. Does he see himself as a politically neutral law enforcement officer, or does he see himself as one of Mr Trump's stormtroopers?

Exactly. Similarly a Hamas or Isis flag in a suspect's home would help point to motive after a terrorist attack.

 

[DonAntonio]

What really worries me is that JR immediately pulled his gun and shot 2 or 3 times in a split second to RNG who had no malice intentions to physically harm anybody. Maybe she gets no justice by this government but I really hope this case will come to justice in the near future. This kind of murder or intentional killing can never happen without severe consequences for JR. The calmness of JR after the shooting is really an alarming message for all American citizens who should always be safe under any government.

 

[K9Enzo]

A vehicle moving with a snail pace and trying to turn around. Two steps back and he would be safe. Also, the LE rules were quoted in this thread multiple times. Shooting the driver of a running car is a big no-no, because it does not magically stop the car, as we saw in this case. The ICE agent broke multiple rules here. Also, he was later literally chasing the car as it moved away, and shooting into it. How's that a self defence?

MOO

I disagree. That argument relies on hindsight and assumptions. LE is not required to guess speed, step back perfectly, assume tire angles, wheel position or speculate about overall intent in real time. The 4000 + vechicle driven by Ms. Good backed up (she ignores commands to exit her vehicle. She should have left earlier but made the choice to park perpendicular in the road to obstruct) , then accelerated her vehicle coming in contact with the federal agent. IMO that is a deadly threat in that moment. Use of force is judged at the instant it occurs, not later by slow motion replay or armchair “he could have stepped aside” theories or calling it a big “no no” ignores, IMO, how self defense law and real world dynamics work.

I would never encourage anyone to act in the way Ms. Good did that day. If you oppose US Immigration policy , protest where the policy is made , such as the White House , or with lawmakers , not in the middle of an active federal LE operation . It’s insanely dangerous . You are putting your own life at risk and endangering everyone around you , including LE and bystanders.

Respectfully, all my opinion.

 

[SouthAussie]

ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News.

Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said.

ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20260108/118805/HMKP-119-JU00-20260108-SD003.pdf

 

[Mo Thuairim]

ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News.

Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said.

ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20260108/118805/HMKP-119-JU00-20260108-SD003.pdf

This seems very sensible.

These very clear official instructions were not followed in this instance, however

 

[SouthAussie]

This seems very sensible.

These very clear official instructions were not followed in this instance, however

Interesting that the piece from NBC News is on a govt website (notice the link to their public documents).

Looks like some authorised person has submitted it at a meeting on 8th January?

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20260108/118805/HMKP-119-JU00-20260108-SD003.pdf

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Interesting that the piece from NBC News is on a govt website (notice the link to their public documents).

Looks like some authorised person has submitted it at a meeting on 8th January?

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20260108/118805/HMKP-119-JU00-20260108-SD003.pdf

That is extremely interesting.