MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

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ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News.

Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said.

ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer.

That makes it even more obvious that Ross didn't consider Good a threat. He casually strolls around her car filming with his phone in his shooting hand.

He switches it to free his shooting hand when Good's wife gives him lip.
 
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That makes it even more obvious that Ross didn't consider Good a threat. He casually strolls around her car filming with his phone in his shooting hand.

He switches it to free his shooting hand when Good's wife gives him lip.
He really didn't like being called 'big boy', it seems.
 
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If you ask "why put yourself in the middle of a situation" and not "why it is so dangerous to be anywhere around American law enforcement?" you ask wrong question, IMO.

Protesting is the citisen's right. Shooting protesters is a gross abuse of power. How comes things like that happen in a country that once put sanctions on my country for shooting at the protesters? Oh the irony...

MOO.

Anyone can protest from a distance. If she had been a block or even half a block away, not blocking the street with her car this wouldn't have happened. That's what I mean by "in the middle".

Everyone has a right to protest. No one has a right to impede or obstruct law enforcement operations.
 
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The two shots through the driver's side window were caused by his finger deliberately pulling the trigger.
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IMO, a professional does not shoot a fleeing suspect on purpose per public ICE protocols. And, IMO, there is no evidence the gun went off accidentally any of the three times it was shot.
 
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He had a gun in one hand and his phone recording in the other. That alone was super super unsafe and there is no way that was protocol. It was during the day with, as you said, many officer's around. Their mandate is to detain illegal immigrants, not US citizens, and she was not being threatening.
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ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News.

Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said.

ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer.

In the first press conference Kristi Noem gave after the murder, she asserted several times that Ross "followed his training". Was she (a) ignorant of the rules, or (b) lying through her cowboy hat?
 
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Anyone can protest from a distance. If she had been a block or even half a block away, not blocking the street with her car this wouldn't have happened. That's what I mean by "in the middle".

Everyone has a right to protest. No one has a right to impede or obstruct law enforcement operations.
The killer literally drove around the victim. He was moving freely and was able to document his dangerous actions on his cell phone. There was no impediment. There was no obstruction. As far as I know, there were no suspected undocumented immigrants in the area; it appears to me that there was a suspect a distance away, and Ross the trigger man and the other ICE agents he endangered were just there because there were protesters there. Managing protesters and keeping them safe and legal is the job of the local police.

MOO
 
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Interesting that according to a Wall Street Journal report, agents putting themselves behind vehicles to stop them is not condoned, and essentially seen as a sort of a set up for a shooting. https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-show-how-ice-vehicle-stops-can-escalate-to-shootings-caf17601
Interesting indeed. It's almost as though they are promoting conflict.

If we believe what they say was the motive for ICE being in this neighborhood - to go into a school to detain an illegal alien - then why would that simple act require so many ICE agents in military garb and face coverings, in so many vehicles to storm the area. It's ridiculous, isn't it? We've seen this before in history. It does not end well.
 
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The killer literally drove around the victim. He was moving freely and was able to document his dangerous actions on his cell phone. There was no impediment. There was no obstruction. As far as I know, there were no suspected undocumented immigrants in the area; it appears to me that there was a suspect a distance away, and Ross the trigger man and the other ICE agents he endangered were just there because there were protesters there. Managing protesters and keeping them safe and legal is the job of the local police.

MOO
Exactly, spot on 💯
 
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Interesting indeed. It's almost as though they are promoting conflict.

If we believe what they say was the motive for ICE being in this neighborhood - to go into a school to detain an illegal alien - then why would that simple act require so many ICE agents in military garb and face coverings, in so many vehicles to storm the area. It's ridiculous, isn't it? We've seen this before in history. It does not end well.
Right. There were way too many ICE agents for the job. That alone escalated the situation unnecessarily. Ross was already known to be out of control of his emotions. Not excusing Ross for the murder, but why he was allowed on the job, and why so ,many ice agents were dispatched escapes me. There were ICE problems as well as Ross problems there. If I were Ross, that would be my defense.

MOO
 
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The killer literally drove around the victim. He was moving freely and was able to document his dangerous actions on his cell phone. There was no impediment. There was no obstruction. As far as I know, there were no suspected undocumented immigrants in the area; it appears to me that there was a suspect a distance away, and Ross the trigger man and the other ICE agents he endangered were just there because there were protesters there. Managing protesters and keeping them safe and legal is the job of the local police.

MOO

He was filming because these agents have been subject to assault, harassment and obstruction constantly in the course of doing their job.

When have you ever seen a Law Enforcement officer drive around a car blocking the street and not stop to investigate or offer assistance?

Should Law Enforcement, during the course of their duties have to drive around people blocking the road with their car?

In this case it was clear these women didn't need assistance and were agitators. Impeding a law enforcement operation.

Still shouldn't have gotten shot.
 
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Their mission is to enforce immigration laws. There's really no reason for them to be interacting at all with citizens or protesters. .. especially in this case where the agents drove past her, then stopped their car to go back and engage her.
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In the first press conference Kristi Noem gave after the murder, she asserted several times that Ross "followed his training". Was she (a) ignorant of the rules, or (b) lying through her cowboy hat?
All of the above, spin is in
 
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He was filming because these agents have been subject to assault, harassment and obstruction constantly in the course of doing their job.

When have you ever seen a Law Enforcement officer drive around a car blocking the street and not stop to investigate or offer assistance?

Should Law Enforcement, during the course of their duties have to drive around people blocking the road with their car?

Frankly if they really wanted to go there, all of these people who are PHYSICALLY impeding or assaulting these agents should be charged with interfering or obstruction.

I don't know why everyone is so supportive of people who have factually commited a crime by entering our country illegally. America can't support everyone in the world just because the circumstances are bad in their home countries. It is costing billions or probably trillions of dollars.

In this case it was clear these women didn't need assistance and were agitators. Impeding a law enforcement operation.

Still shouldn't have gotten shot.
Well, what exactly was ICE doing on the street? They didn't even have a job there. I disagree with you in three ways. 1) ICE had no business there. They had a suspect that could have been visited/questioned by one or two unmasked agents a distance away. The murderer had no official business there. 2) there is no evidence that being an ICE agent is a dangerous job. Statistics have been posted up thread. 3) There is no evidence that there was any impediment or assaulting of agents. There is no evidence that Renee Good or anyone on the street broke the law. (Except the murderer).

Also, we are not discussing immigration policy here. Nobody posted about their support or lack of support for undocumented immigrants because it is off-topic. So, you should not know how anybody feels about that subject.

MOO
 
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A thought experiment.

How would things have gone had the Administration come out immediately and said

1. They are sending thoughts and prayers to Ms. Good's family and they are sorry for her loss.
2. They agree that the video looks bad for Mr. Ross, but
3. They will await the official results from a joint state-FBI investigation
4. And if it comes out that Mr. Ross was at fault he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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In the first press conference Kristi Noem gave after the murder, she asserted several times that Ross "followed his training". Was she (a) ignorant of the rules, or (b) lying through her cowboy hat?
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(Also option A)
 
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All my posts were deleted.
Anyway i won't comment anymore but it's sad that people are thinking an ICE staff can do no wrong but other people are fallible.
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The videos are clear. Ms. Good literally smiled at the person about to murder her and said she was not mad at him. Then, the murderer shot her 3 times, killing her and recklessly endangering other civilians and his coworkers. On this day it is clear; Ross, and ICE agent, did wrong.

There was no obstruction of ICE. There was mild, legal heckling of ICE, such as making fun of their illegal tactic of swapping license plates. On this day, it is clear, civilians did no wrong.

MOO
 
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