GUILTY MO - Bobbi Jo Stinnett, 23, slain, fetus stolen, Skidmore, 16 Dec 2004

[englishleigh]

Graves does not have to offer her a plea deal - the only way I see him doing that is if the evidence doesn't support his case which we already know it does or the Feds are demanding that pleas be made to cut court costs.


I believe Graves has to consider the family wishes but is not necessarily bound to pursue them either way. I somehow get the feeling that Graves will pursue the female Dr. Lector to the end if not restricted by higher up government officials.

LOL at the female Dr. Lector...perfect!! And yes, I think Graves wants to prosecute Lisa Lector to the fullest extent of the law. He is very young, probably married and with young children himself...this case probably makes him as sick as it does us.

 

[englishleigh]

Prayers tonight especially, for Zeb Stinnett and the rest of the family, as they begin a new year, without Bobbie Jo. I can't imagine what they are going through. This is a time that was supposed to be filled with joy and anticipation, as they awaited the proper time for Victoria to be born, and they were supposed to share in that joy and wonder. It's just not fair. I pray that Zeb can concentrate on raising Tory and enjoy watching her grow this year, as bittersweet as that will be without his beloved wife, Tory's mommy.

 

[luvbeaches]

I wonder if she did clean the baby up in Bobbie's house?? I would think, though, that she'd want to skedaddle...after all, she had no idea if Zeb would be home soon or if anyone would just walk in, as Becky did soon after Lisa left. I wonder if LE has searched the dumpsters around the Long John Silver's in Topeka where she called Kevin? Maybe they would find bloody clothes and rags there, maybe??

I bet she didn't stay long in Bobbie's house...I think she walked in and was friendly at first, exchanged pleasantries, but the minute Bobbie turned her back, she attacked...I think they walked towards the back of the house, where she likely kept the kennels for the dogs, in the back yard, and Lisa was walking behind Bobbie and attacked her from behind and pulled her into a back bedroom and finished her off there and took the baby...the reason I think that is that the People magazine article said that Bobbie's body was found by her mom in a back room...I pictured it happening right inside the door, for some reason...but the article says Becky found her in the back of the house. I can just imagine Becky walking in the ajar front door, calling for Bobbie and getting no reply, walking through the house and finding her...just horrible.

Anyway, I bet it would have taken about 10-12 minutes to do the whole horrid thing...it takes 4-6 minutes to strangle someone to death or to cause brain death...then another 5 or 6 minutes to cut out the baby...I bet she flew out the door with Victoria wrapped in a blanket and drove like a moonbat out of hell, out of town. I bet she made Topeka pretty quickly...I agree about half-wishing for a trial to settle all the questions, but it would be best for both families if she would just plead...I wonder if Todd Graves, the U.S. Attorney, will let her, though?? Doesn't he make the ultimate decision as to whether to go to trial?? I wonder if Zeb and Becky will have any input? If I were them, I'd want the death penalty for that evil
*%&%!!

My brain is like mush right now...but didn't the neighbor say the red car was in the driveway for a couple of hours? I thought it was odd that she would hang around for that length of time, considering what she was doing.

I don't know why, but I don't think this is going to go to trial. I think she's going to go for a plea. This is just me...but if something like this happened to a loved one, I'd settle for a plea, just as long as I knew this person would be behind bars for the rest of her life. I would not want to go through a trial and relive this horrible event.

 

[englishleigh]

They were just talking about Lisa Montgomery on Fox News....they had 2 attorneys on, one a prosecutor and one a defense attorney. Basically the gist of it was, it's going to be really, really tough to defend LM. The heinousness of the crime, the fact that the baby was found in her care...they said her confession may negate an insanity defense, as well. I also think her attorneys will ask the government for a plea deal. As for Bobbie's family...they are grieving hard right now, but as time goes on, they are going to get really, really angry and may want the death penalty for LM. I just don't know what will happen.

 

[englishleigh]

I think this was uncalled for...and sad. Merely 3 weeks after the vicious murder of Bobbie Jo, her local paper, the Maryville (MO) Forum, splashes across their front page (I assume), the New Year's Baby for Nodaway County, and his happy parents. Their first baby, everyone wreathed in smiles. While this is probably a yearly feature that the paper does, I think putting it out there at this sad time in their area was in poor taste...it only serves to remind the family of what they have lost, especially the fact that Zeb and Bobbie Jo will never get to be a family together like that, with Victoria. I think this should have been avoided this year, because of the recent circumstances in their area...I realize life must go on, but it's a very small area and everyone knows or knows of the Stinnett/Harper families and what happened. Anyway...it's JMO. :slap: to the Maryville Forum.

 

[raisincharlie]

After reading this article I am even more confused - lots of conflicting stories. I am thinking no one knows who lisa montgomery really is.


http://www.demingheadlight.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=360&num=3532

 

[englishleigh]

After reading this article I am even more confused - lots of conflicting stories. I am thinking no one knows who lisa montgomery really is.


http://www.demingheadlight.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=360&num=3532

She's evil...I know that much.

Here's a blog I found today on the case:

http://patfish.blogspot.com/2004/12/tragic-death-of-bobbie-jo-stinnett.html

 

[englishleigh]

Lisa Montgomery's own sister describes her as "evil"...and her mother says she has to face what she has done and take the punishment, whatever it may be. Includes a quote from an interview with Bobbie Jo's mother.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/10600129.htm?1c

 

[luvbeaches]

I read the article this morning. It sure seems that the family was well aware of Lisa's lying ways, and tried to tell her husband and his family what they were dealing with (as early as December 2003).

Here's this part in the article...

In December 2003, Patty went to her sister's home, confronted Kevin Montgomery and told him his wife could not be pregnant because she had had a tubal ligation in 1990. Lisa told her to leave and never come back, Patty said.

About a week later, Jerri and their mother went to the home of Kevin Montgomery's parents, Roger and Joy Montgomery.

“My mom told them everything,” Jerri said. She warned that Lisa “was fooling you guys.”

They also strongly urged Lisa to tell her husband the truth, they said.

“You cannot keep lying to the man; he doesn't deserve it,” Judy recalled telling Lisa. “She ignored everything I said.”

While Roger Montgomery said he was advised by his lawyer not to comment on whether he and his wife had been warned about Lisa, he voiced doubt about the credibility of Lisa's sisters and mother. His lawyer did not return calls.

So if in fact Lisa's family did approach Lisa's husband (and his family)with this information, then I really have a hard time believing that Lisa's husband truly believed the child was theirs.

And Lisa's FIL voiced doubt about the credibility of Lisa's sisters and mother? Did they or did they not approach him and tell him this? What's to doubt? She wasn't able to have children, so where'd she get the little baby girl? Why would his lawyer tell him not to confirm this? If this did happen, then it certainly makes me wonder what her husband knew, and why he went along with this. The only thing that doesn't seem credible is her FIL. Sounds like Lisa's family tried to warn them, and they blew them off. Sounds like the Montgomery's are trying to cover their @##$#, if indeed they were warned by Lisa's family.

If the family (Lisa's) did approach Kevin and his family earlier, then how can they say they didn't know? How can they say they believed Lisa was pregnant? Could Lisa's husband be charged with a crime? And why is Roger and family lawyered-up?

 

[englishleigh]

If the family (Lisa's) did approach Kevin and his family earlier, then how can they say they didn't know? How can they say they believed Lisa was pregnant? Could Lisa's husband be charged with a crime? And why is Roger and family lawyered-up?

I think they are worried that Kevin may be eventually charged as an accessory, since he's been told repeatedly that Lisa couldn't be pregnant. Kevin didn't strike me as the brightest bulb, when I saw his impromptu interview he gave after Lisa was arrested. I think he wanted to believe Lisa was telling the truth and was truly pregnant...but one thing that I keep remembering from the initial reports of the Amber Alert for Victoria was that witnesses said that it was a blond woman and two men in the red car...who are these witnesses??? Did they actually see Lisa speeding away and if so, were there really 2 men in the car with her? Who were these men?? Was one of them Kevin? I doubt it and the report was likely erroneous, but it makes me wonder.

Edited to add: Did you read that blog at the link I posted above? It says there is speculation that Lisa practiced performing c-sections on her PREGNANT RAT TERRIERS...OMG.

 

[luvbeaches]

I think they are worried that Kevin may be eventually charged as an accessory, since he's been told repeatedly that Lisa couldn't be pregnant. Kevin didn't strike me as the brightest bulb, when I saw his impromptu interview he gave after Lisa was arrested. I think he wanted to believe Lisa was telling the truth and was truly pregnant...but one thing that I keep remembering from the initial reports of the Amber Alert for Victoria was that witnesses said that it was a blond woman and two men in the red car...who are these witnesses??? Did they actually see Lisa speeding away and if so, were there really 2 men in the car with her? Who were these men?? Was one of them Kevin? I doubt it and the report was likely erroneous, but it makes me wonder.

Edited to add: Did you read that blog at the link I posted above? It says there is speculation that Lisa practiced performing c-sections on her PREGNANT RAT TERRIERS...OMG.

I was thinking they may arrest her husband also (eventually). I remember hearing that when Bobbie was on the phone with her mom, she said "they" are here. I also remember hearing (in the beginning) that there was more than one person in the red car. It will be interesting to see to hear if she was alone, or not.

Sure seems interesting that Lisa's family is saying that they told her in-laws, and husband about Lisa's problems, and yet they somehow believed she had this baby? I think I remember the husband saying he actually "felt" the baby move. I can't understand that at all. There's no way. It just struck me as odd that the FIL had an attorney.

No...I didn't see the link...I'll check it out. Practicing c-sections on her dogs??? OMG!!!

 

[englishleigh]

I was thinking they may arrest her husband also (eventually). I remember hearing that when Bobbie was on the phone with her mom, she said "they" are here. I also remember hearing (in the beginning) that there was more than one person in the red car. It will be interesting to see to hear if she was alone, or not.

Sure seems interesting that Lisa's family is saying that they told her in-laws, and husband about Lisa's problems, and yet they somehow believed she had this baby? I think I remember the husband saying he actually "felt" the baby move. I can't understand that at all. There's no way. It just struck me as odd that the FIL had an attorney.

No...I didn't see the link...I'll check it out. Practicing c-sections on her dogs??? OMG!!!

I forgot about Bobbie saying "they" are here...that is definitely what she said. Now, did she just think there might be more than one person or were there actually more than one person that she saw?

It is possible they may arrest Kevin but right now they are saying he is not a suspect. I didn't get that about him feeling the baby moving, that is just WEIRD. Maybe Lisa made her stomach muscles "jump" when he put his hand on her belly? Someone very naive (read: not very intelligent) might actually believe it was a baby kicking...but I swear I don't see how she fooled him for 9 months into thinking she was actually pregnant.

Another thing that I think is SO weird....Zeb's friend Chris Law, their across-the-street neighbor, claims Lisa's red car was parked at the Stinnett home for 2 hours, from 12:30-2:30, b/c he said he was thinking of visiting Bobbie but saw she had company....but Becky Harper says it was 2:30 when she talked to Bobbie and Bobbie said, "Oh, they're here, I have to go." Was Lisa sitting in the car in front of Bobbie's house all that time??

 

[raisincharlie]

There is something very wierd going on with this whole deal. I know several MSHP officers who were involved in the search for Victoria. Two of these officers have told me that the car was spotted afterwards at 1230 am on Highway 59 headed south away from Rockport. The car was lost when the driver turned off the lights. These same two fellows went and looked at Montgomery's car after it was impounded and were fairly certain it was the same car they attempted to chase. Simple logic tells me that Lisa Montgomery may very well have not done this by herself. There is something screwy about this whole ordeal IMO. I'm not at all certain that she was by herself, too little time for all that transpired in that house.

 

[englishleigh]

There is something very wierd going on with this whole deal. I know several MSHP officers who were involved in the search for Victoria. Two of these officers have told me that the car was spotted afterwards at 1230 am on Highway 59 headed south away from Rockport. The car was lost when the driver turned off the lights. These same two fellows went and looked at Montgomery's car after it was impounded and were fairly certain it was the same car they attempted to chase. Simple logic tells me that Lisa Montgomery may very well have not done this by herself. There is something screwy about this whole ordeal IMO. I'm not at all certain that she was by herself, too little time for all that transpired in that house.

Agreed...that has bothered me, too, about the late night car chase...why would the driver of that car run from the police if something wasn't going on? And the more I think about Lisa overpowering Bobbie Jo in the house by herself...Lisa didn't look very big and granted, Bobbie was heavily pregnant, but I just don't think Lisa managed to strangle Bobbie by herself, unless she just went into a mad rage and the adrenalin helped her overpower Bobbie...Bobbie also was found with BLOND hair in her hands...Lisa Montgomery's hair does NOT look BLOND to me...it looks plain old brown, or brownish-blond. In fact, it looks about the same color as Bobbie's. I wonder if they have DNA-matched that hair to Lisa??

 

[raisincharlie]

No doubt there was/is some DNA testing ongoing. I know it goes beyond the hairs and some material removed from fingernails according to my sources but what all is going through testing, I honestly do not know.

 

[luvbeaches]

Another thing that I think is SO weird....Zeb's friend Chris Law, their across-the-street neighbor, claims Lisa's red car was parked at the Stinnett home for 2 hours, from 12:30-2:30, b/c he said he was thinking of visiting Bobbie but saw she had company....but Becky Harper says it was 2:30 when she talked to Bobbie and Bobbie said, "Oh, they're here, I have to go." Was Lisa sitting in the car in front of Bobbie's house all that time??

I knew about the neighbor stating the 2 hour time-frame, but I didn't remember that it was 2:30 when Becky says she was talking with Bobbie. That's interesting. I can't imagine Lisa sitting outside all that time, but there has to be an explanation for what the neighbor saw and what Becky was told by Bobbi. This whole thing is weird. There just has to be more than we are being told. It doesn't add up.

 

[luvbeaches]

There is something very wierd going on with this whole deal. I know several MSHP officers who were involved in the search for Victoria. Two of these officers have told me that the car was spotted afterwards at 1230 am on Highway 59 headed south away from Rockport. The car was lost when the driver turned off the lights. These same two fellows went and looked at Montgomery's car after it was impounded and were fairly certain it was the same car they attempted to chase. Simple logic tells me that Lisa Montgomery may very well have not done this by herself. There is something screwy about this whole ordeal IMO. I'm not at all certain that she was by herself, too little time for all that transpired in that house.

Hmmmm...It there sure seems to be more going on than we are being told by the media and police. I simply can't believe she pulled this off by herself...maybe she did, but to me it just doesn't add up.

I wonder if there were two red cars? I know the media reported it was one type (Honda maybe), and yet the car she drove was another. I wonder if she had help, and whoever it was went off in another red car, and Lisa went another direction. Of course, I probably watch too much TV! But it does seem like there is a lot more to this than we are being told.

 

[luvbeaches]

Agreed...that has bothered me, too, about the late night car chase...why would the driver of that car run from the police if something wasn't going on? And the more I think about Lisa overpowering Bobbie Jo in the house by herself...Lisa didn't look very big and granted, Bobbie was heavily pregnant, but I just don't think Lisa managed to strangle Bobbie by herself, unless she just went into a mad rage and the adrenalin helped her overpower Bobbie...Bobbie also was found with BLOND hair in her hands...Lisa Montgomery's hair does NOT look BLOND to me...it looks plain old brown, or brownish-blond. In fact, it looks about the same color as Bobbie's. I wonder if they have DNA-matched that hair to Lisa??

How long does it take to do a DNA profile on a sample? It seems like it takes a little bit of time. If the strand of hair that was found in Bobbi's hand was from a wig, they would have known it early on.

And Lisa didn't look that big to me either. I suppose she could have hit her on the head (from behind), catching Bobbi by surprise, but I still think there's more going on.

Also, when Lisa arrived, Bobbie had to have known who she was. She knew Lisa as Lisa, not the name Lisa was using when she set up the time to look at the puppies. I'm surprised Bobbie even let her in the house. The only explanation would be if Lisa was wearing a wig, and had somehow disguised herself enough to where Bobbie might not recogonize Lisa right off the bat.

 

[raisincharlie]

How long does it take to do a DNA profile on a sample? It seems like it takes a little bit of time. If the strand of hair that was found in Bobbi's hand was from a wig, they would have known it early on.

And Lisa didn't look that big to me either. I suppose she could have hit her on the head (from behind), catching Bobbi by surprise, but I still think there's more going on.

Also, when Lisa arrived, Bobbie had to have known who she was. She knew Lisa as Lisa, not the name Lisa was using when she set up the time to look at the puppies. I'm surprised Bobbie even let her in the house. The only explanation would be if Lisa was wearing a wig, and had somehow disguised herself enough to where Bobbie might not recogonize Lisa right off the bat.

DNA testing length depends on the type conducted and the strength of reliability required. Electrophoresis is often use for its ability for rapid turn around times - days, but the scientific reliability is significantly lower. Good for identifying people quickly but not necessarily totally defensible in court.

PCR testing on the other hand takes weeks but scientifically is basically irrefutable unless the lab screws up from the begining.

As for LM being little - I wouldn't rule her physical size as being anything to indicate she would have been incapable of what she did. Little people can be pretty mighty... especially when on a mission.

 

[luvbeaches]

DNA testing length depends on the type conducted and the strength of reliability required. Electrophoresis is often use for its ability for rapid turn around times - days, but the scientific reliability is significantly lower. Good for identifying people quickly but not necessarily totally defensible in court.

PCR testing on the other hand takes weeks but scientifically is basically irrefutable unless the lab screws up from the begining.

As for LM being little - I wouldn't rule her physical size as being anything to indicate she would have been incapable of what she did. Little people can be pretty mighty... especially when on a mission.

Thank you for the DNA info. I guess I won't be surprised if she did it by herself, nor will I be surprised that she had help. If alone, she could have easily hit Bobbi on the head. This is all so sad. I still can't believe how sick and evil some people are.