GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #4

[Lizbetbathory]

Yeah that is what I mean by flood control the whole place was like a lake when I was there,and the bushes are thick and so is the debris in the river

 

[LCoastMom]

We don't know the type of vehicle SM owns. I was trying to find out if he actually owns a white van and the purpose of the search early on regarding the white van.

As I read some of the posts, it appears perhaps a white van was spotted in the area.

I am trying to figure out how they got to SM in the first place and was it via a vehicle etc.

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense for a neighbor to say there was a white van lurking around (or whatever) when your neighbor has a white van sitting in his driveway/carport; does it?

Possibly SM sent them on a wild goose chase, or he doesn't have one but coincidentally there was one in the neighborhood. Interesting with his arrest LE cancelled the BOLO. :waitasec:

 

[hollye]

Holy cow. That looks more like a small river than a floodway ditch, IMO...

Going off the date that that video was posted, the waters would have been pretty high then and in flood stage (as they are in the google maps street view), which may be why the person recorded the video. If they are in a drought now, the water should be lower. How much lower, I don't know. Has anyone seen any MSM photos from 5 Rivers area of the searches?

 

[Deleted member 718]

While the brush where the training wheels were found was thick, it would be much easier to find a child in the brush than in a moving body of water - the water is also going to destroy evidence faster.

Anyone know the average water temps in the area? It takes awhile for a body to rise in cold water, but if she is there and not weighed down, her body should come to the surface.



I cannot wrap my head around this SOB who killed this baby, removed the training wheels from her bike, du

mped the bike and little body in the water and later planted the training wheels (and something else?). LE said the evidence went in a circle (ie; nowhere) when the training wheels were found. How do these cretins come up with the things they do? Not in my wildest imagination could I try to "fake a crime scene" or plant evidence or whatever the hades he was trying to do!!

The water temperature would be in the mid 70s to mid 80s by this weekly fishing report for SE MO. http://extra.mdc.mo.gov/fish/fishrt/

If her body is in a drainage ditch, at least there wouldn't be as many fish etc, to hamper evidence.

CNN is reporting on Breeann now. Coming up after the commercial!

 

[dsntslp]

http://www.mo.gov/missouri-river-flooding/

"Beginning June 12, 2010, heavy rainfall in northwest Missouri and in the upstream Missouri River basin caused flooding in our region. Several agencies of Missouri state government maintain significant information regarding these issues. Links to that information may be found here."

Me: I'll see if I can figure out if the water is still receding or rising due to current rainfall or runoff from areas N of there. I'll also see if I can figure out if any Levees N of there broke during the floods. BBL

 

[Mirage]

I am fairly confident that the "seemed like an hour" comment was greatly exaggerated. I recall when BTK gave his confessions, he also remarked how it took a great deal more time and effort than he had anticipated before hand. So, my assumption is that these sickos get a preconceived notion of what this experience will be like, then it is much uglier than their fantasy was... therefore, it seems like it takes a long time to them. I'm only bringing this up as it applies to the timeline of how long he had her in his house.

 

[vjlaw]

While the brush where the training wheels were found was thick, it would be much easier to find a child in the brush than in a moving body of water - the water is also going to destroy evidence faster.

Anyone know the average water temps in the area? It takes awhile for a body to rise in cold water, but if she is there and not weighed down, her body should come to the surface.



I cannot wrap my head around this SOB who killed this baby, removed the training wheels from her bike, dumped the bike and little body in the water and later planted the training wheels (and something else?). LE said the evidence went in a circle (ie; nowhere) when the training wheels were found. How do these cretins come up with the things they do? Not in my wildest imagination could I try to "fake a crime scene" or plant evidence or whatever the hades he was trying to do!!

I have no idea, either. I have no answers. From the looks of all the water, they may never find her little body. They are dragging the waters and using divers, but the task appears to be almost impossible. I would think if he threw her off the bridge, it would have to be at night when less chance someone drove by. I guess its possible he doesn't even know where he threw her body into the water. He did seem to know where he threw the bike though.

 

[JeannaT]

Don't property fanatics usually have something worth protecting? If the Google map photos are an indication of his property - his yard is undeveloped (no grass, plants etc) we had a set of "yard nazi's" three doors down when I was growing up, the yard was always perfect and they would threaten to call the cops when we roller skated past on the street! But they never killed any kids to the best of my knowledge.

He maybe a bit of a racist but I still think he lured that baby into his house for evil purposes before he murdered her.

Well, not in my experience. I've seen people with the crappiest little hovels posting "KEEP OUT" "NO TRESPASSING" "PROTECTED BY SMITH AND WESSON" where people with lovely homes and well cared for lawns are normal about people in their yard.

 

[belimom]

I am fairly confident that the "seemed like an hour" comment was greatly exaggerated. I recall when BTK gave his confessions, he also remarked how it took a great deal more time and effort than he had anticipated before hand. So, my assumption is that these sickos get a preconceived notion of what this experience will be like, then it is much uglier than their fantasy was... therefore, it seems like it takes a long time to them. I'm only bringing this up as it applies to the timeline of how long he had her in his house.

He could be biding some time in his story if it really was an hour that he had her inside, meaning - he had time to do much more than suffocate her.

 

[Jo in Calif]

For the mere fact, that it was very specifically stated in the affidavit, that he stated that there was a Mexican on his pool ladder, I think this was racially motivated.
Because of the time frame, brother going in the house, her peddling down the street, 3 year old's can move fast, riding her bike in his back yard, climbing up the pool ladder, he probably saw her out his window. This could have been a matter of 5 minutes.
I'll bet he thought and I'm only speculating and being graphic, "I'm tired of all these Mexicans taking over, I am going to get rid of this one, before she can make more of them."
The suffocation would have only taken about 3 minutes, even though he stated it seemed like an hour. Put her body in the bag, put her in his vehicle, drove to the disposal location. This could have all occurred in under an hour. Dismantled the bike, put it in his vehicle and drove off to get rid of it, this could have been the time he was not at home, when LE were making their door to door searches.
IMO this was not sexually motivated.

 

[CuriousHousewife]

Well, not in my experience. I've seen people with the crappiest little hovels posting "KEEP OUT" "NO TRESPASSING" "PROTECTED BY SMITH AND WESSON" where people with lovely homes and well cared for lawns are normal about people in their yard.

Yep. We live in a small town and especially some of the "locals" who have been here forever are incredibly possessive, even if they live in a veritable shack and sad to say, many here are very mean about the "Spanish" or as the rest of the world calls them "Hispanic" population.

 

[MarthaM]

My impression about him saying that he felt it took an hour for her to die is that he's saying that it took her longer to die than he thought, or that she wasn't dying fast enough for him. He thought it would be quicker. I don't think he was telling the officer that she died an hour after he started suffocating her, just that it felt that way to him--a few minutes felt like a long time.

Are we allowed to post the Courts page for this case?

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/header.do

 

[STEADFAST]

Most definitely agree, but when you live in the middle of nowhere and live on a street with only 26 houses on it and, from what I gather, a very family friendly neighborhood with lots of kids and older people, families probably felt real safe...safe enough to allow their kids to ride their bikes up and down the street without having an eye on them at all times.

I am not saying that this is something I would do in this day and age, but is something I did as a kid, and something I am sure happened with frequency in this small little town, until Aug 6, 2011.

When your long-time neighbor, who has lived in the community most of his life. as have most of his family members, and has not exhibited violent tendencies grabs and murders your daughter at high noon, you were never going to be able to protect her from him no matter what. You'd be more likely to ask him to watch her.

 

[MsFacetious]

Have any of the families from any side spoken about anything yet?

I don't think I've seen anything in the media?
They have been very vocal on facebook... and understandably very angry.
This guy is lucky he was arrested before he was named, otherwise I don't think he would have made it long enough to be arrested. :twocents:

 

[katydid23]

For the mere fact, that it was very specifically stated in the affidavit, that he stated that there was a Mexican on his pool ladder, I think this was racially motivated.
Because of the time frame, brother going in the house, her peddling down the street, 3 year old's can move fast, riding her bike in his back yard, climbing up the pool ladder, he probably saw her out his window. This could have been a matter of 5 minutes.
I'll bet he thought and I'm only speculating and being graphic, "I'm tired of all these Mexicans taking over, I am going to get rid of this one, before she can make more of them."
The suffocation would have only taken about 3 minutes, even though he stated it seemed like an hour. Put her body in the bag, put her in his vehicle, drove to the disposal location. This could have all occurred in under an hour. Dismantled the bike, put it in his vehicle and drove off to get rid of it, this could have been the time he was not at home, when LE were making their door to door searches.
IMO this was not sexually motivated.

BBM
Are we sure those were HIS words? I thought the 'mexican female' was 'cop-speak.' It sounds more like the way LE writes up their reports, imo.

I think this was sexually motivated. He found a vulnerable little girl in his yard and acted upon the opportunity, imo.

 

[~n/t~]

When your long-time neighbor, who has lived in the community most of his life. as have most of his family members, and has not exhibited violent tendencies grabs and murders your daughter at high noon, you were never going to be able to protect her from him no matter what. You'd be more likely to ask him to watch her.

Breeann's mom was concerned about the new neighbours in the front. I bet she never suspected this monster to murder her baby.

 

[milanj]

You can see on my map the area called 5 Rivers and the area called Elk Chute Levee. These are both areas that 164 crosses. It is believed that he used one of these bridges to throw this sweet girl and her bike off into the waters.

I don't understand if he told them exactly where he put her in the water, why they haven't been able to find her yet?

I was wondering that too. Anyone live near these ditches? Or have similar irrigation/drainage ditches where they live? Is it possible that the flow could have carried her out to the Big Lake area already?? Because it has been over a week. Could that explain why she is not where he says? Arkansas is not that far away, and that is where Big Lake is. These systems seem to run right into that area.

Also can she be snagged up somewhere along the way and they are missing her in their searches? Because once those waterways hit the Hornersville area it is ALL swamp down to Pettyville Arkansas.

Here's something else to think about. Hypothetically speaking, let's say that a body would move in these watersystems at the same rate of walking. If you were to map directions from the Cotton Plant in Hornersville at 164 and Highway Y down to Pettyville Arkansas and change the directions on the map to walking distance.... it would only take you 6 1/2 hours! She's been missing over a week. Of course I have NO idea how fast a body would move. It make be quicker, it may be slower.

Also, anyone think he could have possibly taken her elsewhere? Perhaps somewhere along the way to work? I looked but didn't really see any other waterways. Or maybe nowhere along the way to work? For instance, using hollye's map if you look to the east of where something appeared to have been dragged across the road, there is another little conservation area with a reservoir.

 

[hollye]

When your long-time neighbor, who has lived in the community most of his life. as have most of his family members, and has not exhibited violent tendencies grabs and murders your daughter at high noon, you were never going to be able to protect her from him no matter what. You'd be more likely to ask him to watch her.

Exactly, and I would not be surprised if his daughters may have watched Breeann and her siblings at some point.

 

[BeanE]

BBM
Are we sure those were HIS words? I thought the 'mexican female' was 'cop-speak.' It sounds more like the way LE writes up their reports, imo.

We know it is the LEO documenting, in his affidavit, what the perp stated. It's not a transcription of what the perp said, but the LEOs swear in their affidavits their best good faith accurate recollection of what the perps say.

 

[Jo in Calif]

BBM
Are we sure those were HIS words? I thought the 'mexican female' was 'cop-speak.' It sounds more like the way LE writes up their reports, imo.

I think this was sexually motivated. He found a vulnerable little girl in his yard and acted upon the opportunity, imo.

I don't know, kat, I just can't imagine why a LE officer would put that in there, if that's not what he said, what would the purpose of that be?