Found Deceased MO - Clauddinnea 'Dee Dee' Blancharde, 48, Springfield, 10 June 2015 - #2 *Arrests*

[DexterMorgan]

I totally agree with your post.

Lol. Just flash the kid a boob and he will kill your hubby for free. No kisses required. Lol

But seriously. I think the boy is slow. And he took on a protector role until he thought about the raping of moms.

This tells me that he is too dangerous. The mentioned thought of rape will seal his fate. Which it should.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

When is the trial for these two please?

 

[jjenny]

I frankly think mother brought it on herself and I don't consider her a victim. Sounds like she tried to control every aspect of Gypsy's life, not even allowing Gypsy to see her own medical records. Gypsy was an adult woman pretending to be a sick child for a long, long time, and I don't believe for a second she wanted to live that way.
As Gypsy grew, it sounds like her desire to lead a normal life also grew, but she couldn't figure out how to escape her mother if mother was still alive. If Gypsy wasn't this woman's bio child but a kidnapped child, would that child still go on trial, or would it be considered self-defense? Seems like Gypsy is being punished more severely for actually being related to the woman.

 

[Lilibet]

I frankly think mother brought it on herself and I don't consider her a victim. Sounds like she tried to control every aspect of Gypsy's life, not even allowing Gypsy to see her own medical records. Gypsy was an adult woman pretending to be a sick child for a long, long time, and I don't believe for a second she wanted to live that way.
As Gypsy grew, it sounds like her desire to lead a normal life also grew, but she couldn't figure out how to escape her mother if mother was still alive. If Gypsy wasn't this woman's bio child but a kidnapped child, would that child still go on trial, or would it be considered self-defense? Seems like Gypsy is being punished more severely for actually being related to the woman.

BBM
Just to clarify, Gypsy hasn't been punished yet. She has been arrested and charged with murder and her case will work its way through the justice system, as it should. It's possible to feel terrible for what Gypsy endured, and hope that she gets help, while still recognizing that she is legally and morally responsible for taking someone's life. Time will tell whether there is a trial and what her punishment is, if any. Perhaps her actions will be considered self defense.

But Gypsy did plot with and influence someone to kill her mother, another human being, in cold blood while she lay sleeping, not while she herself was in immediate danger of death. Being kidnapped, adopted or related does not in itself change this into self defense IMO. However, the justice system will decide whether she acted in self defense. I certainly can see that Gypsy may have felt that she had no other choice but to kill if she wanted to be independent. But that does not necessarily make the murder justifiable or self defense in the eyes of law or morally. And if Gypsy had her mother killed because she was angry at the life she had been forced to lead, that may be understandable on an emotional level, but again, that would not make the murder justifiable legally or morally.

Her mother is definitely a victim of murder, regardless of her previous actions. I think when we say that a victim of a crime "brought it on themselves" we are treading very dangerous territory, legally and morally. Yes, our own actions may make us vulnerable to a crime or murder. Certainly Dee's actions were reprehensible and she deserved prison time, but she did not "bring upon herself" the death penalty her daughter imposed on her. That is not the punishment the legal system would have imposed on her, had she been charged. Gypsy had no legal or moral right to have her mother executed. JMO

Again, it is possible to feel awful for what Gypsy endured, realize that "the system" let her down, and recognize her limitations, but at the same time acknowledge and accept that she lives under the same laws and generally fair justice system we all do. I expect that she will be treated fairly and receive the help she needs, somehow.

MOO

 

[LaLaw2000]

BBM
Just to clarify, Gypsy hasn't been punished yet. She has been arrested and charged with murder and her case will work its way through the justice system, as it should. It's possible to feel terrible for what Gypsy endured, and hope that she gets help, while still recognizing that she is legally and morally responsible for taking someone's life. Time will tell whether there is a trial and what her punishment is, if any. Perhaps her actions will be considered self defense.

But Gypsy did plot with and influence someone to kill her mother, another human being, in cold blood while she lay sleeping, not while she herself was in immediate danger of death. Being kidnapped, adopted or related does not in itself change this into self defense IMO. However, the justice system will decide whether she acted in self defense. I certainly can see that Gypsy may have felt that she had no other choice but to kill if she wanted to be independent. But that does not necessarily make the murder justifiable or self defense in the eyes of law or morally. And if Gypsy had her mother killed because she was angry at the life she had been forced to lead, that may be understandable on an emotional level, but again, that would not make the murder justifiable legally or morally.

Her mother is definitely a victim of murder, regardless of her previous actions. I think when we say that a victim of a crime "brought it on themselves" we are treading very dangerous territory, legally and morally. Yes, our own actions may make us vulnerable to a crime or murder. Certainly Dee's actions were reprehensible and she deserved prison time, but she did not "bring upon herself" the death penalty her daughter imposed on her. That is not the punishment the legal system would have imposed on her, had she been charged. Gypsy had no legal or moral right to have her mother executed. JMO

Again, it is possible to feel awful for what Gypsy endured, realize that "the system" let her down, and recognize her limitations, but at the same time acknowledge and accept that she lives under the same laws and generally fair justice system we all do. I expect that she will be treated fairly and receive the help she needs, somehow.

MOO

Beautifully stated, Lilibet, and I agree completely.

 

[Tealgrove]

It's a shame that Gypsy didn't go to the Police and spill the beans. My guess is that there was a fear that if she did, Gypsy herself would end up in prison. I'm not sure that she would have, but what's done is done and now we wait to see what happens.

 

[BlueShoe]

I think their point was that plenty of people have awful childhoods, but don't grow up to be murderers... Hell, some have speculated that Dee herself had an awful upbringing - if she did, how could she ever know what normal behavior was, etc etc.... But it still wouldn't excuse what she did to Gypsy, IMO. Many serial killers had the most horrific childhood imaginable, being beaten, raped and abused by their family from an early age. How could they ever know what normal behaviour is, and how could they grow up to show compassion or mercy to anyone when they never experienced it growing up? Yet I never see many people defending the likes of John Wayne Gacy, Albert Fish or Richard Ramirez. That's because we recognise that one they are adults, they make their own choices and should be held responsible for them.

Indeed, I don't think we would have much sympathy for Gypsy if she had her own baby and treated it the same way her mother treated her. Why not, if we insist that poor Gypsy can't possibly know right from wrong after her own upbringing?

At least for me, if those killers has been kept at home all their lives and their parent had brought them back to abuse them each time they tried to escape, I would not feel nearly as bad if they killed said parent. If Gypsy had moved out, spent some time on her own in non-internet contact with the real world and then returned to kill her mother, I would have no sympathy for her. Similarly, if she becomes a serial killer in the future and murders someone else--no sympathy. IMO

 

[jjenny]

BBM
Just to clarify, Gypsy hasn't been punished yet. She has been arrested and charged with murder and her case will work its way through the justice system, as it should. It's possible to feel terrible for what Gypsy endured, and hope that she gets help, while still recognizing that she is legally and morally responsible for taking someone's life. Time will tell whether there is a trial and what her punishment is, if any. Perhaps her actions will be considered self defense.

But Gypsy did plot with and influence someone to kill her mother, another human being, in cold blood while she lay sleeping, not while she herself was in immediate danger of death. Being kidnapped, adopted or related does not in itself change this into self defense IMO. However, the justice system will decide whether she acted in self defense. I certainly can see that Gypsy may have felt that she had no other choice but to kill if she wanted to be independent. But that does not necessarily make the murder justifiable or self defense in the eyes of law or morally. And if Gypsy had her mother killed because she was angry at the life she had been forced to lead, that may be understandable on an emotional level, but again, that would not make the murder justifiable legally or morally.

Her mother is definitely a victim of murder, regardless of her previous actions. I think when we say that a victim of a crime "brought it on themselves" we are treading very dangerous territory, legally and morally. Yes, our own actions may make us vulnerable to a crime or murder. Certainly Dee's actions were reprehensible and she deserved prison time, but she did not "bring upon herself" the death penalty her daughter imposed on her. That is not the punishment the legal system would have imposed on her, had she been charged. Gypsy had no legal or moral right to have her mother executed. JMO

Again, it is possible to feel awful for what Gypsy endured, realize that "the system" let her down, and recognize her limitations, but at the same time acknowledge and accept that she lives under the same laws and generally fair justice system we all do. I expect that she will be treated fairly and receive the help she needs, somehow.

MOO

From where I stand, she abused her daughter from the time this daughter was a small child and continued on even as that daughter turned an adult. Daughter was not allowed to have a normal life, had to pretend to be disabled, retarded, wheelchair bound, etc. And from what has been reported, when daughter tried to escape previously, mother found her and brought her back. I feel the way I feel, regardless of how law views this matter.

 

[Lilibet]

From where I stand, she abused her daughter from the time this daughter was a small child and continued on even as that daughter turned an adult. Daughter was not allowed to have a normal life, had to pretend to be disabled, retarded, wheelchair bound, etc. And from what has been reported, when daughter tried to escape previously, mother found her and brought her back. I feel the way I feel, regardless of how law views this matter.

We are in absolute agreement about what Dee did to Gypsy. It was horrendous and Gypsy had been unable to escape so far. I feel anger and sadness about what Gypsy endured and what she now faces. As for the law, you are certainly entitled to your feelings and we will have to agree to disagree.

I will always bring the law into the discussion regardless of my emotions, because I'm grateful that our legal system is there to discourage individuals from taking the law into their own hands, no matter how justified it may seem emotionally. I will keep beating that drum when we are understandably caught up in big feelings. Laws and courts aren't perfect, but without individuals maintaining respect and support for the legal system, despite their emotions, we would have anarchy, and you and I could be victims. Sadly, I think our society is slowly heading that way. JMO

 

[human]

We are in absolute agreement about what Dee did to Gypsy. It was horrendous and Gypsy had been unable to escape so far. I feel anger and sadness about what Gypsy endured and what she now faces. As for the law, you are certainly entitled to your feelings and we will have to agree to disagree.

I will always bring the law into the discussion regardless of my emotions, because I'm grateful that our legal system is there to discourage individuals from taking the law into their own hands, no matter how justified it may seem emotionally. I will keep beating that drum when we are understandably caught up in big feelings. Laws and courts aren't perfect, but without individuals maintaining respect and support for the legal system, despite their emotions, we would have anarchy, and you and I could be victims. Sadly, I think our society is slowly heading that way. JMO

The law has degrees to deal with issues, Manslaughter, justfiable homicide, first degree, etc, It is not black and white

 

[Lilibet]

The law has degrees to deal with issues, Manslaughter, justfiable homicide, first degree, etc, It is not black and white

I'm not sure what part of my post this comment relates to, but I think if you read my previous post(s) you will see that we don't disagree. Of course the law is not black and white and has levels or degrees that apply when someone kills someone. I have never said otherwise.

 

[MissUnderstood]

We know gypsy tried to leave before and momster bought her back. I don't think gypsy had the ability to make decisions on her own. Imagine how much she wanted to get away from her mum that this is the option she took! Murder is never right, but I think mum is to blame for this. She never gave her child the chance to live life and learn as she grew.


MOO!!

 

[Renee110]

You are referring to one of my posts no doubt, and if you are, it is a blatant insult. I stand by my comment that Gypsy had been around medical personnel in the business of saving lives all of her life and knew it was wrong to murder or have someone murdered. I do not believe I stated that Gypsy's mother was a victim, but she was a murder victim. That is a fact.

My heart absolutely breaks for a small child who was or is being abused, and Gypsy was abused to the extreme. Empathy? No, I have a tremendous amount of deep sympathy for her. Did she know better? Yes, I think she did. I think Gypsy really hated her 'mother' and wanted her gone. I would have hated her also had I been in Gypsy's position. Murder? I think she and her 'boyfriend' absolutely did know better.

BBM:
I think Gypsy and her murdering friend do need to pay for what they did and I certainly stand by that opinion. You certainly do not have to agree with me and I am not asking that you do, but an insulting post is not the way to go, IMO.

*A judge once stated on live TV that having emotional or mental problems does not give one a license to kill. Childhood abuse does not give one a license to kill.

I do hope Gypsy gets the help she needs. I do not advocate a life sentence or even a long one, but they both need to do some time in a facility where they also get mental health help.

MOO

No, I wasn't referring to one of your posts. I've blocked the poster I was referring to.

I still don't believe that someone who from such an early age was controlled the way Gypsy was for the entirety of her life could be expected to understand she could just do things differently. Who knows how many times she may have tried to talk to someone "official", such as a doctor, or nurse and was shut off because the mother was so convincing? She tried leaving, and her mother brought her back. Her mom had everyone believing she was mentally incompetent and her mother had power of attorney over her life. I imagine that she felt like, and not only felt it, but KNEW she could never escape.

Anyway, sorry you read my post and for some reason that it was aimed at you. I've actually tried to go back and edit my post but the option to edit is not there.

 

[jjenny]

No, I wasn't referring to one of your posts. I've blocked the poster I was referring to.

I still don't believe that someone who from such an early age was controlled the way Gypsy was for the entirety of her life could be expected to understand she could just do things differently. Who knows how many times she may have tried to talk to someone "official", such as a doctor, or nurse and was shut off because the mother was so convincing? She tried leaving, and her mother brought her back. Her mom had everyone believing she was mentally incompetent and her mother had power of attorney over her life. I imagine that she felt like, and not only felt it, but KNEW she could never escape.

Anyway, sorry you read my post and for some reason that it was aimed at you. I've actually tried to go back and edit my post but the option to edit is not there.

Exactly. We know that somebody did report suspected wrongdoing to the police. Police was told Gypsy didn't appear to have any of the diseases her mother claimed Gypsy had. Police showed up, decided Gypsy was mentally deficient, and nothing was done. If she tried to run away or report it, it wouldn't have surprised me if police delivered her right back to her mother instead of helping her.

 

[Cyan]

I myself am nor sure. Greene County is notorious for dragging crap out much longer than it ever needs to be.

 

[Lulu14]

Disturbing how an abused woman has every right to crack and kill her abuser, yet we don't extend the same grace to an abused child. Why? Because it was her "mother"? Because - like a poster claimed - it wasn't too bad, she could walk indoors and sneak out using a wig now and then? Because she found help killing her twice as large abuser?

 

[Lilibet]

Disturbing how an abused woman has every right to crack and kill her abuser, yet we don't extend the same grace to an abused child. Why? Because it was her "mother"? Because - like a poster claimed - it wasn't too bad, she could walk indoors and sneak out using a wig now and then? Because she found help killing her twice as large abuser?

BBM

I realize we have vastly different opinions about the killing of DB. I can only speak for myself, but I do not believe that an abused woman has "every right to crack and kill her abuser" (drugged, in his sleep--Google Liysa Northon) and I would certainly not "extend grace" to a woman who persuades someone else to kill her drugged husband while he is sleeping. That is my issue with what Gypsy did, not that she was an abused child/young adult who killed her mother. I can have heartfelt sympathy for a horrible, seemingly hopeless situation of an abused woman or Gypsy, and at the same time believe that killing is not a legal or moral "right" except in immediate self-defense. Plotting murder takes it to a different level. The judicial system generally agrees and will sort this out. My hope, as I have stated repeatedly, is that Gypsy will get the help she needs...finally. JMO

 

[DexterMorgan]

BBM

I realize we have vastly different opinions about the killing of DB. I can only speak for myself, but I do not believe that an abused woman has "every right to crack and kill her abuser" (drugged, in his sleep--Google Liysa Northon) and I would certainly not "extend grace" to a woman who persuades someone else to kill her drugged husband while he is sleeping. That is my issue with what Gypsy did, not that she was an abused child/young adult who killed her mother. I can have heartfelt sympathy for a horrible, seemingly hopeless situation of an abused woman or Gypsy, and at the same time believe that killing is not a legal or moral "right" except in immediate self-defense. Plotting murder takes it to a different level. The judicial system generally agrees and will sort this out. My hope, as I have stated repeatedly, is that Gypsy will get the help she needs...finally. JMO

But please remember that the girl is mentally still or was still a child when that decision of the killing was made.

In all honesty. She should have been tried as a juvenile since her mental state was never allowed to blossom. Her lawyer should be doing more imo.

Lol. Now where are the tutus that I ordered. I have been waiting for the shipment across the pond for weeks now. My meerkats are getting chilli over here. -Hugs-

 

[Lilibet]

But please remember that the girl is mentally still or was still a child when that decision of the killing was made.

In all honesty. She should have been tried as a juvenile since her mental state was never allowed to blossom. Her lawyer should be doing more imo.

Lol. Now where are the tutus that I ordered. I have been waiting for the shipment across the pond for weeks now. My meerkats are getting chilli over here. -Hugs-

You're right about Gypsy's apparent limitations, Dex. Lulu felt that people were cutting Gypsy less slack because she killed her mother than they would an adult woman killing her abuser. My point is that were it not for the planning and having someone else do the killing, I would cut her more slack than an adult abused woman. As it stands now, the planning and persuading someone to do the killing in cold blood is something that some children would be capable of doing, and raises the crime to a different level for me.

I'm glad that the court will handle this. I would expect and hope that Gypsy's developmental level and mental health to be taken into consideration as her case works its way through the justice system. Whether the court sees her as childlike or mentally ill remains to be seen. All of the things her Mom did to her will be mitigating circumstances during sentencing (if she is found guilty) or in any plea deal that is reached before trial. I imagine her attorney is doing a lot behind the scenes. I hope she is being examined by psychiatrists. This case is really complex and emotionally fraught and I would hate to have a part in sorting it out. IMO

As for the tutus...oops, for some reason I thought they were supposed to go to the east coast, not across the pond! :doh: I will change the address labels immediately. It's not shown in the photo, but I made matching sweaters to keep them warm. I think they will fit your chihuahuas too. I thought gray was a good color, since this case isn't black and white IMO. Hugs back.

 

[DexterMorgan]

You're right about Gypsy's apparent limitations, Dex. Lulu felt that people were cutting Gypsy less slack because she killed her mother than they would an adult woman killing her abuser. My point is that were it not for the planning and having someone else do the killing, I would cut her more slack than an adult abused woman. As it stands now, the planning and persuading someone to do the killing in cold blood is something that some children would be capable of doing, and raises the crime to a different level for me.

I'm glad that the court will handle this. I would expect and hope that Gypsy's developmental level and mental health to be taken into consideration as her case works its way through the justice system. Whether the court sees her as childlike or mentally ill remains to be seen. All of the things her Mom did to her will be mitigating circumstances during sentencing (if she is found guilty) or in any plea deal that is reached before trial. I imagine her attorney is doing a lot behind the scenes. I hope she is being examined by psychiatrists. This case is really complex and emotionally fraught and I would hate to have a part in sorting it out. IMO

As for the tutus...oops, for some reason I thought they were supposed to go to the east coast, not across the pond! :doh: I will change the address labels immediately. It's not shown in the photo, but I made matching sweaters to keep them warm. I think they will fit your chihuahuas too. I thought gray was a good color, since this case isn't black and white IMO. Hugs back.

Simply marvelous darling. Your tutus are fabo. Lol

But on a serious note. I agree. The case is complexed. But i don't think that she has a jose baez or Johnnie Cochran on her side. Now even though I hate jose baez for getting casey off scott free. I would love to see him consulting on this case.



I truly think that she is too slow to help her defense. And I think she will get too many years due to a bull crap lawyer.