GUILTY MO - Clauddinnea 'Dee Dee' Blancharde, 48, Springfield, 10 June 2015 - #3

[LinasK]

Of course it isn’t the baby’s fault. It’s just sad that the baby’s Mom will probably use her for publicity and is ill-equipped to be a healthy mother without extensive therapy. All we can do is wish them well and hope for the best.

JMO

I fear for this child with a mother who was willing to kill her grandmother. Hope CPS steps in and removes her.

 

[ilovewings]

I fear for this child with a mother who was willing to kill her grandmother. Hope CPS steps in and removes her.

I don't think CPS will remove the child from its mother unless there is a solid reason, like some type of abuse. I share your concerns though about this emotionally damaged woman having a baby-- she seems to go thru men kind of quickly--- I wish I had more hope for this baby, but alas, I don't.

 

[LinasK]

I don't think CPS will remove the child from its mother unless there is a solid reason, like some type of abuse. I share your concerns though about this emotionally damaged woman having a baby-- she seems to go thru men kind of quickly--- I wish I had more hope for this baby, but alas, I don't.

Isn't a murder conviction reason enough? For all her previous well-wishers, I've seen no positive changes in Gypsy's behavior following her release. Just more narcissism on her part. She's an adult now. At what point do you stop excusing her behavior with "she's being manipulated by the press" and make her take responsibility for her own actions?

 

[ilovewings]

Isn't a murder conviction reason enough? For all her previous well-wishers, I've seen no positive changes in Gypsy's behavior following her release. Just more narcissism on her part. She's an adult now. At what point do you stop excusing her behavior with "she's being manipulated by the press" and make her take responsibility for her own actions?

I don't believe a murder conviction will result in her baby being taken away: she was tried, convicted and served time--

 

[Tower]

Isn't a murder conviction reason enough? For all her previous well-wishers, I've seen no positive changes in Gypsy's behavior following her release. Just more narcissism on her part. She's an adult now. At what point do you stop excusing her behavior with "she's being manipulated by the press" and make her take responsibility for her own actions?

She served her sentence. Should everyone in prison be locked up for life and sterilized? I think she’s very damaged, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that someone with her history has no right to have children of her own. Of course I am hugely sympathetic to her mom who did not deserve a death sentence, but Gypsy had a horrible lot in life. There are far worse examples of parents on these threads.

 

[LinasK]

She served her sentence. Should everyone in prison be locked up for life and sterilized? I think she’s very damaged, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that someone with her history has no right to have children of her own. Of course I am hugely sympathetic to her mom who did not deserve a death sentence, but Gypsy had a horrible lot in life. There are far worse examples of parents on these threads.

Considering that she put out a hit on her own mother, I don't think she's fit to be a mother. Heather Mack finally lost custody of her daughter for that very reason. And being a victim of Munchausen's doesn't justify murder either- she could have easily exposed her.

 

[Tower]

Considering that she put out a hit on her own mother, I don't think she's fit to be a mother. Heather Mack finally lost custody of her daughter for that very reason. And being a victim of Munchausen's doesn't justify murder either- she could have easily exposed her.

Your judgment of a young person who was abused her whole life, committed a terrible crime and then served her time is very different than mine. There are certain unforgivable crimes and I don’t think this is one of them.

I’ve seen you say she should have just stood up dramatically and exposed the lie. You don’t think her manipulative mom wouldn’t come up with an excuse and then imprison her again the second they got home? She felt her situation was inescapable. We can see that she had other alternatives, but we didn’t live in that abusive lifestyle.

I don’t wish to live in a world where we sterilize people for being guilty of a crime committed as a young person. She has already served her sentence. I think there is room for forgiveness. Let’s see if she can prove herself and be the excellent mom she herself deserved.

I find it fascinating that Gypsy is the line you draw for not deserving parenthood. Should we call a sterilizing tribunal and decide who is worthy? There is no barrier at all for many violent criminals to become parents. Maybe we should have better societal support so most people can be good parents instead of sterilizing anyone who commits a felony.

 

[LinasK]

Your judgment of a young person who was abused her whole life, committed a terrible crime and then served her time is very different than mine. There are certain unforgivable crimes and I don’t think this is one of them.

I’ve seen you say she should have just stood up dramatically and exposed the lie. You don’t think her manipulative mom wouldn’t come up with an excuse and then imprison her again the second they got home? She felt her situation was inescapable. We can see that she had other alternatives, but we didn’t live in that abusive lifestyle.

I don’t wish to live in a world where we sterilize people for being guilty of a crime committed as a young person. She has already served her sentence. I think there is room for forgiveness. Let’s see if she can prove herself and be the excellent mom she herself deserved.

I find it fascinating that Gypsy is the line you draw for not deserving parenthood. Should we call a sterilizing tribunal and decide who is worthy? There is no barrier at all for many violent criminals to become parents. Maybe we should have better societal support so most people can be good parents instead of sterilizing anyone who commits a felony.

Not if she did it publicly, like standing up in front of the cameras when she was in her wheelchair. Her mother would have been publicly exposed, and the charade ended at that point. It was that easy. PS- you brought up the term sterilization. I never said that.

 

[LinasK]

Your judgment of a young person who was abused her whole life, committed a terrible crime and then served her time is very different than mine. There are certain unforgivable crimes and I don’t think this is one of them.

I’ve seen you say she should have just stood up dramatically and exposed the lie. You don’t think her manipulative mom wouldn’t come up with an excuse and then imprison her again the second they got home? She felt her situation was inescapable. We can see that she had other alternatives, but we didn’t live in that abusive lifestyle.

I don’t wish to live in a world where we sterilize people for being guilty of a crime committed as a young person. She has already served her sentence. I think there is room for forgiveness. Let’s see if she can prove herself and be the excellent mom she herself deserved.

I find it fascinating that Gypsy is the line you draw for not deserving parenthood. Should we call a sterilizing tribunal and decide who is worthy? There is no barrier at all for many violent criminals to become parents. Maybe we should have better societal support so most people can be good parents instead of sterilizing anyone who commits a felony.

Are you familiar with Heather Mack? She was pregnant when she was arrested for her mother's murder. Also a young mother. She had her baby in prison and was allowed to keep her baby with her for two whole years in prison! Fortunately when she was extradicted to the United States to face charges, she finally permanently lost custody. I care what's in the best interest of the child- not the murderous parent.

 

[Tower]

Not if she did it publicly, like standing up in front of the cameras when she was in her wheelchair. Her mother would have been publicly exposed, and the charade ended at that point. It was that easy. PS- you brought up the term sterilization. I never said that.

You are assigning her power and agency when she had been beaten down her entire life. Why didn’t Elizabeth Smart call for help in public? Stockholm syndrome is well-studied, as is Munchausen by proxy. Who could she run to to care for her after standing up from that wheelchair? She had been taught to believe her mother controlled every part of her life and she convinced herself she could only be free by ridding herself of her mother. Of course it’s heinous, but they were both victims.

If she is not allowed to have an admittedly unplanned pregnancy after a fully completed felony sentence, you are advocating for sterilization. Or advocating for immediate government removal of babies from their parents. Because that is the opposite goal of our current foster and adoption system in the US, you’ll have to research why that is good for babies and convince our family court system to take away all babies from felons who have already served their sentences.

 

[LinasK]

You are assigning her power and agency when she had been beaten down her entire life. Why didn’t Elizabeth Smart call for help in public? Stockholm syndrome is well-studied, as is Munchausen by proxy. Who could she run to to care for her after standing up from that wheelchair? She had been taught to believe her mother controlled every part of her life and she convinced herself she could only be free by ridding herself of her mother. Of course it’s heinous, but they were both victims.

If she is not allowed to have an admittedly unplanned pregnancy after a fully completed felony sentence, you are advocating for sterilization. Or advocating for immediate government removal of babies from their parents. Because that is the opposite goal of our current foster and adoption system in the US, you’ll have to research why that is good for babies and convince our family court system to take away all babies from felons who have already served their sentences.

Once again, I never said that I was "advocating for sterilization". That's your assumption, not mine. I don't believe that felons are good parent material. They've already exhibited selfishness and poor judgement by becoming criminals.

 

[Tower]

Are you familiar with Heather Mack? She was pregnant when she was arrested for her mother's murder. Also a young mother. She had her baby in prison and was allowed to keep her baby with her for two whole years in prison! Fortunately when she was extradicted to the United States to face charges, she finally permanently lost custody. I care what's in the best interest of the child- not the murderous parent.

I’m very familiar. Mack could not keep the baby because babies are allowed to live in prison only until a max of age 3 in the US. We do not imprison babies.

The two situations have nothing at all to do with one another. Gypsy has fully completed her sentence.

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/child-custody-lawyers/can-parental-rights-be-terminated-when-a-pare.html

 

[LinasK]

I’m very familiar. Mack could not keep the baby because babies are allowed to live in prison only until a max of age 3 in the US. We do not imprison babies.

The two situations have nothing at all to do with one another. Gypsy has fully completed her sentence.

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/child-custody-lawyers/can-parental-rights-be-terminated-when-a-pare.html

BBM. Thank God for that. As I stated, I care what's in the best interest of the child- not the criminal parent. Many criminals kill over custody of their children, only to lose them once they are convicted. So what's the point of them killing?

 

[Tower]

Once again, I never said that I was "advocating for sterilization". That's your assumption, not mine. I don't believe that felons are good parent material. They've already exhibited selfishness and poor judgement by becoming criminals.

You may advocate for the permanent removal of all rights from felons. That would be a job for our politicians. I prefer to advocate for improved rehabilitation, when possible.

She may become a better person after becoming a parent and she may be an empathetic mother due to her own experiences. We cannot know and I don’t believe it’s our place as a society to remove all rights from people who have already served their time. You obviously do not agree that she was also a victim in this case or that she has the right to become a mother when she has never proven herself an unfit parent.

Our legal system requires proof and evidence before removing a baby and there is no proof at all that the baby will come to harm or have a bad life in any way.

 

[LinasK]

You may advocate for the permanent removal of all rights from felons. That would be a job for our politicians. I prefer to advocate for improved rehabilitation, when possible.

She may become a better person after becoming a parent and she may be an empathetic mother due to her own experiences. We cannot know and I don’t believe it’s our place as a society to remove all rights from people who have already served their time. You obviously do not agree that she was also a victim in this case or that she has the right to become a mother when she has never proven herself an unfit parent.

Our legal system requires proof and evidence before removing a baby and there is no proof at all that the baby will come to harm or have a bad life in any way.

Never did I say permanent removal of ALL rights. Once again you are putting words in my mouth. I'm talking about parental rights. Stick to the topic. I don't believe that Gypsy Rose Blanchard is rehabable. I'd say killing your own parent is a good indicator that you won't be a good parent to your own child.

 

[Tower]

BBM. Thank God for that. As I stated, I care what's in the best interest of the child- not the criminal parent. Many criminals kill over custody of their children, only to lose them once they are convicted. So what's the point of them killing?

I also care about innocent babies much more than their parents. But our foster system in the US is based on research-driven evidence that babies are better off with their biological family than taken away. I think some of this research is VERY flawed. But foster and adoptive situations can also be abusive. There is simply no guarantee Gypsy’s baby would be better off without her.

You are advocating for punishing her a second time with a life sentence of childlessness, taking this child away from her and placing it with another who may not be a better parent. Your desire to keep punishing her beyond her sentence is simply not supported by our legal system.

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[LinasK]

I also care about innocent babies much more than their parents. But our foster system in the US is based on research-driven evidence that babies are better off with their biological family than taken away. I think some of this research is VERY flawed. But foster and adoptive situations can also be abusive. There is simply no guarantee Gypsy’s baby would be better off without her.

You are advocating for punishing her a second time with a life sentence of childlessness, taking this child away from her and placing it with another who may not be a better parent. Your desire to keep punishing her beyond her sentence is simply not supported by our legal system.

Third-Party Custody: What Is It and How It Can Protect Your Family - BCNTRlaw.com

Custody matters can be some of the hardest issues families face when going through divorce. Determining which parent has legal and/or physical custody, developing a compliant parenting plan and effectively communicating parental needs while placing the child’s well-being above all else is a...

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Yes, I'd have given her a Life Sentence. She got off too easily for murdering her mother. She's no saint just because she was a victim of Munchausen's. Seems her mother taught her to grift very well.

 

[LinasK]

I’m very familiar. Mack could not keep the baby because babies are allowed to live in prison only until a max of age 3 in the US. We do not imprison babies.

The two situations have nothing at all to do with one another. Gypsy has fully completed her sentence.

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/child-custody-lawyers/can-parental-rights-be-terminated-when-a-pare.html

Actually the two cases are very similar. Both of them convinced their boyfriends to murder their mothers for them. Both very selfish and immature. And both are young mothers. Who she isn't like at all is Elizabeth Smart. Elizabeth was kidnapped and raped. Elizabeth also went for counseling when she was rescued.

 

[Tower]

Yes, I'd have given her a Life Sentence. She got off too easily for murdering her mother. She's no saint just because she was a victim of Munchausen's. Seems her mother taught her to grift very well.

Yes, I gathered that was your stance. She did a terrible thing, but as a person with no violent history and a victim herself, she was unlikely to get a life sentence. I hope she contributes to society.

 

[Tower]

Actually the two cases are very similar. Both of them convinced their boyfriends to murder their mothers for them. Both very selfish and immature. And both are young mothers.

In the removal of the child, there is no similarity at all. The baby could not stay in prison while Mack finished her sentence. Gypsy’s baby did not exist during her sentence.

I am looking at this from the legal aspect, you are looking to punish Gypsy because you do not believe she was punished enough and I totally understand your stance. There’s just no legal basis to take custody of her child as there was for an imprisoned Mack.