MO MO - Earl Anthony "Jay" Joggerst, 15, Arnold, 4 August 1972 *NamUs #MP43261*

[Daphne1972]

On a couple of the Corll/Houston Mass Murder threads, they basically shut down any discussion of this image from the trailer, which I find bizarre, they say it's a proven hoax.

To my knowledge, that is not true, it may be contested, but to my knowledge it's not a proven hoax. I still consider that image as I search.

What? That's totally unknown to me. Let me do do some digging.

Edit: Redirect Notice

It was not Henley's trailer but an old schoolbus where his mother kept all his things after his arrest. Police didn't search his belongings. Btw what a shoddy investigation and what a weird storage place.

Of course this picture is real. Why would they think it's a hoax? Because the film maker found it (he went to Henley's mother and she let him rummage)?

Edit 2: apparently his mother claimed it's actually a photo of Ronny Henley. Well, let's dig some more! Btw strange picture to take of somebody!

 

[Moev]

I was able to finally get a FOIA request fulfilled on his case.

180295162_Casefile_R.pdf

drive.google.com

1972_Letter_from_Mother_R.pdf

drive.google.com

I am not good at reading in cursive so if someone could translate that would be helpful.

 

[Beekarina]

Thank you for doing that. Some of the cursive writing on the copied part is cut off.

L=Lost Person
J=Juvenile
if "LS" pops up, that is "Last seen"

I am not sure about the numbers, but maybe just the style used by this officer?


Here is what I get from it:

Page 5: Exhibit 7-4594 (213)

(Santa Monica, California is crossed out)

San Francisco, California reigistered-certified (uncertain of last word due to cut off)

Write letters to Police Santa Monica California....Stevie, etc.

REDACTED address at Camden, Tennessee

PERSONAL DATA Grandmother

F.B.I. 241-5357. Bureau of Missing Persons
Washington, DC

Page 6:

1:L J left at 9:30 2nd (12:30)
4:L J " Greyhound $80.00 ea one way 5pm Fri
Arrival Sunday morning, She & Jay
Left Jay at Santa Monica Beach, Calif.
8/6/72 All went swimming

J Lied about Jim (Note from me: this must be the older man's first name) if F.B.I. was after him and being in danger.

Left Jay at Forest Park.

Jere 1300

Jeri is 19 she told Sam. (Sam checked made her call home for truth.)

Black shirt and jeans and blue swim trunks. Jay had on when they left.

PERSONAL DATA.

Jim divorced then changed to separated.

Jay gave Jeri L double dome at Fox last year. Never proven.

Page 7:

Pan Handled in different towns. Jay got most of the money.

Bill- 1/2 a hit & gave Debbie 10-years old on to acid.
June 10th Sat. heroin
PERSONAL DATA pusher? Jeri said she didn't know. I asked for information.
J Sam's wife (word wife struck) friend's sister Mary Ann-Venice .
They took Jay to a M A House but not Sam's
Did you make any effort through police to find Jay? "No. Would be like putting myself in a cage." Jeri's answer. Bolded by me, becanse holy cr*p!!!

PERSONAL DATA Jay might call her.

J Left Fri-Got there Thurs. 8/10. 1st nite in Ark.
Crossed on ferry-Texas-Arizona. Hwy 40.
Flagstaff, Bartels, Needles (Hwy 101-ferry-Hwy 62-Harrison-72-Flagstaff Motel-Hwy 15

Sam-boys home-sheriff-does this for a living

Jeri- (I don't is crossed out) "They won't ever find him" -meaning Jay
My question How can she be so sure unless she knows he's dead? (The LE wrote this, not me, but yeah....)

 

[Beekarina]

Page 8:

J (something I cannot read) Pat (patrol?) stopped them and asked who the girl was. Jim: "My wife." Jeri hesitated then she mentioned Jay but they didn't ask about him. Yeah they were afraid to take him to Sam's because he looked too young & Sam would know he was a juvenile! on desert-arrived in L.A. Thurs. 12-2 PM

Jim said he was going to California to take a girl with him. Didn't mention my boy. This his father told PERSONAL DATA. PERSONAL DATA paid Jim called him from Saint Louis on Wed 8/9/72 & made the above statement.

Page 9:

The part with scribbled over it says: Where is Emerson Park? Something I cannot read, possibly C and J..."with you in the morning? 8:30 am right time

PERSONAL DATA. Los Angeles Times

Statutory rape
Suspected Murder. Last person to see him alive.

 

[Beekarina]

I wonder who the photo is of the older man in with the pictures of Jay following his missing report? Is that "Jim"? Or is it a picture of Jay's father to provide an idea of what Jay might look like as an older adult if still out there?

Thanks again for doing this. I will read the rest to make sure there are not more notes in cursive.

 

[Moev]

I wonder who the photo is of the older man in with the pictures of Jay following his missing report? Is that "Jim"? Or is it a picture of Jay's father to provide an idea of what Jay might look like as an older adult if still out there?

Thanks again for doing this. I will read the rest to make sure there are not more notes in cursive.

Based on what I had read in the typed up document that is a photo of Jays father. I’m not sure why it was included but I imagine it was a mistake as it mentioned his sister had included a photo of their father, mother, herself, two of Jay at the time he went missing, and one of him when he was younger.

 

[Beekarina]

Letter from Jay's mother:

11/16/72

Dear Col. Hackaday.

On August 4, 1972, when my son PERSONAL DATA did not return by 7:30 PM I informed Troop C of St Louis County of who he was with a PERSONAL DATA in a red MG Tennessee license & no age 25 years -from Camden, Tenn.
On 9/5/72 I called Troop C to see if they'd found the car or my son & there was no file on him at all. They were given a complete description of "Jay" & all the other information. I went out when they didn't write out a report on him-he is 15 years old-4/17/57
They would not put out an all status bulletin on this man & can. He also had a 14 year-old girl with him. She is back home due to the fact that she called home to see if the F.B.I. was after Jim.

I was informed that if he got into trouble-that they would let me know--or if they found him dead or wounded! I was informed today that he is in trouble by the telephone company-using a fake charge card from L.A. , Calif. operator.

I have never heard from him personally. I have tried desperately to find my son and keep him out of trouble. To come home or find out what kind of environment he is living in-there is no one in the state of Mo. who would help me.

Now what happened when they find my son? Its been and still is sheer hell for me. I have one one son & one daughter. He'd given me only two times a little trouble. God only knows how much the phone bill is-by 10/2/72 she said it was $37+

Will Troop C pay the bill to keep him out of a detention home? If I hadn't tried with everything I know to do to find him, I'd say I was to blame, but who do you turn to when the F.B.I., State Highway Patrol, Jeff. County Police, Juvenile officers, Pros. Attorney, Furtow (?not sure on that word) and Sargeant Slater of L.A. Police force will do nothing to help you? Most parents don't give a damn-I do!

Believe me if he does get into serious trouble, there will be one of the nastiest articles in all the papers I can possibly put it in I got from authorities in the state of Mo. I think people should know they are trusted by these so called law officers for whom we are taxed to pay their salaries. The answer I was given by all was "we have dozens of runaways everyday". He was taken from my yard on 8/4/72 at 12;30 pm and I did all I could. What happens now?

A very broken hearted mother who asked for help and received nothing.

PERSONAL DATA.

 

[Beekarina]

I wonder if Jay was truly alive in the autumn of 1972 to commit the fake charge card crime or if that was someone using his identity? It sounds like it was considered something minor, and the phone company contacted his mother thinking she would pay the charges vs a criminal case?

With the white birth mark and Jay looking pretty fair skinned, I go back to the Belle Chasse John Doe since the birthmark could have gone unnoticed. If Jay did not die in California, I wonder if he panhandled and did other stuff and made his way back East?

I wish there was more of a trail regarding that L.A. Times article, statutory rape and murder note as well. Not much to go on for sleuthing purposes with respect to who that might have been about.

 

[Beekarina]

I also wonder whatever became of "Sam"? I would hope LE checked out that halfway house? I think that is what a "MA house" is? Hopefully there is some record of it since a sheriff confirmed "Sam" did that for a living? Clearly Jeri did not call "home" to verify her age, so something shady was likely going on....or they were just really lax about who they let stay and/or she called some friend instead of calling her parents.

 

[Moev]

I wonder if Jay was truly alive in the autumn of 1972 to commit the fake charge card crime or if that was someone using his identity? It sounds like it was considered something minor, and the phone company contacted his mother thinking she would pay the charges vs a criminal case?

With the white birth mark and Jay looking pretty fair skinned, I go back to the Belle Chasse John Doe since the birthmark could have gone unnoticed. If Jay did not die in California, I wonder if he panhandled and did other stuff and made his way back East?

I wish there was more of a trail regarding that L.A. Times article, statutory rape and murder note as well. Not much to go on for sleuthing purposes with respect to who that might have been about.

I've been questioning if this was potentially in regards to the man "Jim" they had gone with. Especially as if I remember right from what I had read earlier I think they had said that Geraldine was afraid if the FBI was after him. I really do question if this was simply swept under the rug somehow due to how information was presented between police departments and the FBI, especially as Jay was never properly formally written as missing... though because his sister believed this was a man Jay had met in Florida on a family vacation if it's potentially someone else that was not tied to the FBI(?) It's very confusing, it sounds a lot like Geraldine and Jay had been lied to about parts of his identity.

If Jim was willing to take these kids who were underage across state lines this could make one question a lot about his character and what else he'd be willing to do. I honestly believe that it's very likely Jay was either trafficked which I've believed for a long time, though for other reasons as I originally FOIA'd this to see if it could verify my theories due to the lack of information to potentially being a John David Norman tie but this seems unlikely. Though, Norman did operate out of LA where Jay went missing and had ties to Missouri and specifically St Louis.. this was the same for other rings at the time targeting teenage boys such as what Guy Strait and Billy Byars Jr. were up to. Though, I think they were more situated in San Francisco. Catherine Wilson also was out in LA, though she also had Arizona ties. I imagine there's a lot of other names also not mentioned from that time that were tied up into all of them that were caught.

To not get too sidetracked though, part of why I also feel he was potentially being trafficked is also because many traffickers befriend their victims and look for vulnerable youth which we see in Jay's case he was picked on and was befriended by an older man. But, it's also complex as though this could be the case and why Geraldine didn't go further with the police and claimed she would be in prison. It also reads as murder and this does make me wonder if he is simply a John Doe who is not in the systems out there.

 

[Moev]

I also wonder whatever became of "Sam"? I would hope LE checked out that halfway house? I think that is what a "MA house" is? Hopefully there is some record of it since a sheriff confirmed "Sam" did that for a living? Clearly Jeri did not call "home" to verify her age, so something shady was likely going on....or they were just really lax about who they let stay and/or she called some friend instead of calling her parents.

I've also been very curious of this also, I feel it would be hard to do as this report was made in 2018. I have not been sure if this is based on photocopied statements his mother owned altogether as it did mention that his sister stated that after their mother had passed she had found papers in her belongings in regards to him going missing. I had taken this that the letter was the only thing, though maybe the documented write up is also this. I would have to re-read the writing to get a better idea.. though this might be more likely the case with this being taken up in 2018.

Though, it seems that this report wasn't taken very seriously originally in 1972 when this investigation could have been better done based on what his mother said because he was a boy and not a girl who was missing, so it wasn't taken very seriously leading to many gaps that might never be filled which is frustrating. U

 

[Beekarina]

Yeah, coming back to this later in the day and rereading to see if I missed anything. I felt so bad for Jay's mother.

Jeri 1300 is Jeri had $13.00 Not a significant correction, but one I wanted to make.

Is "Jim" still alive, I wonder? He was legally an adult, and certainly had no business taking a couple of young teens to California, but at 25 in 1972, he certainly could still be living. He was not THAT much older than they were? I wonder if the investigating officer tracked him down in 2018?

I do not have a Newspapers.com account currently, but someone who does might hit on something searching for statutory rape + murder + dates in the early 1970s and other names and general info we have here--i.e. Jim, Tennessee, and so on. Worth a try.

 

[Beekarina]

Is there DNA for this UID? I have not been able to log into Namus since the switch to DIAMD. So frustrating. Jay would have been 22 in 1979, so just outside the 17-22 range, but throwing it out there in case he did survive whatever happened initially and stayed out in California:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[The4TierBridge]

Is there DNA for this UID? I have not been able to log into Namus since the switch to DIAMD. So frustrating. Jay would have been 22 in 1979, so just outside the 17-22 range, but throwing it out there in case he did survive whatever happened initially and stayed out in California:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

There is not.

 

[Moev]

Yeah, coming back to this later in the day and rereading to see if I missed anything. I felt so bad for Jay's mother.

Jeri 1300 is Jeri had $13.00 Not a significant correction, but one I wanted to make.

Is "Jim" still alive, I wonder? He was legally an adult, and certainly had no business taking a couple of young teens to California, but at 25 in 1972, he certainly could still be living. He was not THAT much older than they were? I wonder if the investigating officer tracked him down in 2018?

I do not have a Newspapers.com account currently, but someone who does might hit on something searching for statutory rape + murder + dates in the early 1970s and other names and general info we have here--i.e. Jim, Tennessee, and so on. Worth a try.

This has definitely been my question if he was only considered slightly older, though I have also questioned if he lied about other information if he could be another age.. likely older.

I am also in the same boat, where I used to have a newspapers.com account and I no longer do sadly.. though I might renew it again or wait for someone else to do some digging.